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FDA bans veg proteins from China and NUMBERS
AT last the FDA takes action and admits the numbers of deaths they've
received. Seems the PetConnection database is similar. It's been a long wait....... http://www.fda.gov/ora/fiars/ora_import_ia9929.html [..] Wheat Gluten Rice Gluten Rice Protein Rice Protein Concentrate Corn Gluten Corn Gluten Meal Corn By-Products Soy Protein Soy Gluten Proteins (includes amino acids and protein hydrosylates) Mung Bean Protein [..] As of April 26, 2007, FDA had received over 17,000 consumer complaints relating to this outbreak, and those complaints included reports of approximately 1950 deaths of cats and 2200 deaths of dogs. [..] |
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FDA bans veg proteins from China and NUMBERS
"buglady" wrote in message ink.net... http://www.fda.gov/ora/fiars/ora_import_ia9929.html Proteins (includes amino acids and protein hydrosylates) ...........now here's something to think about. Protein hydrosolates include: whey, milk, fish, all cereal grains or any protein that is partially digested: http://www.karlloren.com/diet/p48.htm Amino acids, hmmmmmmm, may be an attempt to be all inclusive. But it will be interesting to see if any supplements go up in price........then you'll know where they got their goods. ........Wonder if that house brand of yogurt with the whey protein will go up in price? ............This FDA import notice was apparently posted on the same day as the FDA press conference. For a discussion of the left hand apparently being cut off from the right hand read PetConx blog entry on this issue. .............Truly this is pretty all inclusive in scope, if you think about all the human foods that are going to be affected. Perhaps the general press will notice now? Expect to see people standing in the aisles reading. buglady take out the dog before replying |
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FDA bans veg proteins from China and NUMBERS
buglady wrote:
AT last the FDA takes action and admits the numbers of deaths they've received. Seems the PetConnection database is similar. It's been a long wait....... http://www.fda.gov/ora/fiars/ora_import_ia9929.html [..] [snip big list o' glutens] It amazes me that this stuff appears to *still* be available. http://www.alibaba.com/manufacturer/14895176/Sell_Esb_Protein_Powder.html Safe, non-poisonous, and without a bad reaction, eh? And what's with the 160-300% protein? (This has been discussed at PetCnx but I don't recall if it's been mentioned here.) -- Shelly http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship) http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther) |
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FDA bans veg proteins from China and NUMBERS
"Sharon Too" wrote in message ... I'd like to forward this to our local news stations. I'm just not certain it's a total ban, or an advisory to the inspectors to detain shipments if they have suspicion. ........SEND IT! Please! ..........Did you read the rest? Shippers don't like to have their stuff held at the port. Ties up their ships, don't know if they'll have to eventually take it back.......etc. So they're not saying they'll turn all the ships around, but that they'll have to meet criteria they've set out, which I doubt ANY Chinese manufacturer can meet at this minute, so it amounts to the same thing. Here's the rest: Districts may detain without physical examination, all Vegetable protein products from China. Appropriate screening criteria have been set. If a firm, shipper or importer believes that their product should not be subject to detention under this import alert they should forward information supporting their position to FDA at the following address: Food and Drug Administration Division of Import Operations and Policy (HFC-170) 5600 Fishers Lane, Room 12-36 Rockville, MD 20587 In order to adequately assess whether a manufacturer has the appropriate controls and processes in place to ensure the quality of the product being produced, the firm or shipper must provide the following information: 1. Documentation showing that a minimum of five (5) consecutive entries have been released by FDA based on third party laboratory analyses using FDA recommended methods and that all shipments did not contain the presence of melamine and/or melamine analogs. AND 2. Certificate, such as from AQSIQ, indicating that an inspection of the manufacturer was conducted and adequate controls are in place. Information should also include: a. Copy of the inspectional reports and compliance status of the manufacturer. b. If products were sampled during the course of the inspection, test results indicating that the products are free of melamine and/or melamine analog. All requests for removal (exemption) from DWPE will be forwarded by DIOP to CVM (HFV-230) or CFSAN (HFS-606) for evaluation depending on the intended final use in animal or human food. .........so even if they're clean, they're going to have to sit around and wait for approval........ buglady take out the dog before replying |
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FDA bans veg proteins from China and NUMBERS
"Shelly" wrote in message news It amazes me that this stuff appears to *still* be available. http://www.alibaba.com/manufacturer/14895176/Sell_Esb_Protein_Powder.html Safe, non-poisonous, and without a bad reaction, eh? And what's with the 160-300% protein? ........probably they added urea. (This has been discussed at PetCnx but I don't recall if it's been mentioned here.) ........No I haven't followed a lot of the wild theorizing over there. No one listens anyway. I don't know how many times I've put out the Ochratoxin fire. Someone's been going on about it forever. Now they're going on about a Fusarium species, when they haven't the foggiest idea of what they're talking about most of the time WRT fungi. I simply don't have the energy any more! I looked at that stuff once, may check it out again, but it's a protein powder.......it's that last bit in the advisory that covers ALL the possibilities I think - amino acids and protein hyrosylates. There's nothing evil about getting fungi to digest protein - there's a traditional product in Europe that uses barley - tempeh is protein digested by fungi. I think I axed the whole collection of urls I had collected. The biggest problem when making any predigested stuff like this with fungi is colonization by other fungal species which may produce mycotoxins. But, as I keep saying, the MYCOTOXINS from whatever species are fairly well known and there's just no way the scientists would NOT have tested for all of them. It would be stupid not to. Ochratoxin A is a kidney killer. There's a 10 minute test kit for it. That's all I got to say. buglady take ou tthe dog before replying |
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FDA bans veg proteins from China and NUMBERS
ink.net...
AT last the FDA takes action and admits the numbers of deaths they've received. Seems the PetConnection database is similar. It's been a long wait....... Is it an actual ban though? GUIDANCE: Districts may detain without physical examination, all Vegetable protein products from China. The article is subject to refusal of admission == MAY detain, and SUBJECT to... isn't exactly the same as an all out ban. I'd like to forward this to our local news stations. I'm just not certain it's a total ban, or an advisory to the inspectors to detain shipments if they have suspicion. |
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FDA bans veg proteins from China and NUMBERS
buglady wrote:
.......probably they added urea. Hard to tell, because they don't exactly go out of their way to explain the process or the product. How something can contain more than 100% of anything is a mystery. I think what they mean is that, when digested, it produces more protein than it contains, but I'm not a chemist or biologist, so I'm not in any way qualified to even hazard a guess. .......No I haven't followed a lot of the wild theorizing over there. The comments threads are long, and there is a lot of crazy to slog through. No one listens anyway. I don't know how many times I've put out the Ochratoxin fire. Someone's been going on about it forever. Now they're going on about a Fusarium species, when they haven't the foggiest idea of what they're talking about most of the time WRT fungi. That discussion gave me a brain ache. I simply don't have the energy any more! And with good reason! You've been busy. Not even the multiple bloggers at PetCnx can keep up with the updates. I looked at that stuff once, may check it out again, but it's a protein powder.......it's that last bit in the advisory that covers ALL the possibilities I think - amino acids and protein hyrosylates. Yep. I just wonder if this particular protein powder is more than it appears. It is described as incorporating non-protein nitrogen (melamine?!) in order to reduce production costs of feed. And, it's made by our good friends Anying Bio Tech. There's nothing evil about getting fungi to digest protein - there's a traditional product in Europe that uses barley - tempeh is protein digested by fungi. Yep. And there's some of the hysteria I mentioned awhile back! Some of those comments at PetCnx and elsewhere are beyond unhelpful, and well into the realm of nutso. I think I axed the whole collection of urls I had collected. The biggest problem when making any predigested stuff like this with fungi is colonization by other fungal species which may produce mycotoxins. But, as I keep saying, the MYCOTOXINS from whatever species are fairly well known and there's just no way the scientists would NOT have tested for all of them. I can't imagine that mycotoxins are to blame for this. It seems more logical to me that melamine has been added to feed for ages--and that it's more or less "safe" for some species--but now cyanuric acid has also gotten into the mix, and that the combination is what's causing problems. Maybe the cyanuric acid was in another component of the feed, and that the heating process made it react with the melamine? Maybe it's a problem with combining two different pet foods, one containing melamine and one containing cyanuric acid? -- Shelly http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship) http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther) |
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FDA bans veg proteins from China and NUMBERS
"Shelly" wrote in message
et... It seems more logical to me that melamine has been added to feed for ages--and that it's more or less "safe" for some species- .........yes for those with multiple stomachs - it's actually the bacteria which digest their food for them and there are multiple species of bacteria that eat melamine by successively cleaving off one amine group at a time. One of my darker thoughts, as I was looking at melamine eating bacteria, is that a couple of them are highly antibiotic resistant or can become so easily. There was also one study in which they transferred the enzyme producing ability to eat melamine to E. coli. Hmmmm....haven't heard any official science people say bupkus about bacterial loads in these dead animals. I just can't help wondering if it was a confounding factor. Considering antibiotic use is also rampant in China, one can assume that soil bacteria prevelant around any melamine producer would be largely those that eat melamine and perhaps due to rampant use of antibiotics, may have gained resistance. And as of yesterday, we know they dug up buried melamine under a building! -Maybe the cyanuric acid was in another component of the feed, and that the heating process made it react with the melamine? Maybe it's a problem with combining two different pet foods, one containing melamine and one containing cyanuric acid? ........I don't know and it's this that's driving me nuts! I've searched for sci boards that might be discussing this logically, but haven't found any. The INCHEM stuff mentioned that the crystals (think it was melamine) also had phosphate and some other stuff in them. And let's not forget that there was amiloride - a diuretic in the mix. Could be with 3 chemicals causing massive peeing, the crystals just fell out in the kidneys all that much faster like a supersaturated solution, which couldn't be overcome except for IVs fluids at a crucial time BEFORE symptoms were noticed. Could be simple physical chemistry. Especially for cats, who aren't normally driven to drink even when thirsty. buglady take out the dog before replying |
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FDA bans veg proteins from China and NUMBERS
"buglady" wrote in message link.net... "Sharon Too" wrote in message ... I'd like to forward this to our local news stations. I'm just not certain it's a total ban, or an advisory to the inspectors to detain shipments if they have suspicion. Technically, you're right Sharon, our country has not banned these food ingredients from China, just made it difficult to get them through inspection. buglady take out the dog before replying |
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FDA bans veg proteins from China and NUMBERS
on Tue, 01 May 2007 12:23:56 GMT, "buglady"
wrote: Truly this is pretty all inclusive in scope, if you think about all the human foods that are going to be affected. Perhaps the general press will notice now? Expect to see people standing in the aisles reading. It was a top story on NBC Nightly News last night. Finally. This is all so infuriating, and so heartbreaking. -- Lynne "We are strong enough to stand tall tearlessly We are brave enough to bend to cry And sad enough to know We must laugh again" ~ Nikki Giovanni, 4/17/2007, Virginia Tech |
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