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Aggressive ESS Followup (was: Snapping)
Hi, all.
Very bad day today. Teena snapped at (but missed) my 8yo when he jumped into her space. She went to the vet and got a clean bill of health. Who knew I'd ever be praying for something to be wrong with my dog? The vet's take: This is Very Bad and isn't going to get better. I called the breeder and explained the situation, expecting her to give me lots of good ideas for how to manage the problem, or to offer to save her by taking her back... I was preparing to insist that she sign paperwork promising never to let Teena near another child. The breeder's take: When ESS get like this, it's Very Bad and isn't going to get better. The poor woman was near tears, but said that in her years in the breed, she hasn't seen these things respond to training in the long run. The best she could do was offer to make the final trip to the vet with or instead of me, if that would help. Called my trainer. Her take: Let's stay on track with a week of boarding and observation, but if the vet *and* the breeder (especially the breeder) have such a negative outlook, prepare yourself for the worst. The refrain from all three: "That dog is a ticking time-bomb and you just can't take a risk like this with your kids." Damn, damn, damn. -- Kate Teena the ESS, Storm the FCR Remove spamblock to email, and let me know because this account is heavily filtered. |
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Very sad news.... and I really do feel for you folks...
I once had to euthanize a young rescue dog, an apparent Dachshund x probable Border Terrier cross that was a natural comedienne, very bright, and showed such promise... In her case, the vet said it was probably neurological changes; there were some subtle changes in examination. I kept her after it was clear she couldn't be placed, hoping that we could turn her around... but she started going after my dogs, and then after me, all without provocation beyond existing... and being told to go out for "last call" before bedtime. The vet insisted on sedating her before letting me hold her for the final injection, she was so nasty with the techs while they put the IV in... a definite change in her demeanor. It was a wrenching experience. It is never easy to make these decisions..... One way I like to explain it is that there are some dogs with a mental illness that makes it impossible for them to react safely to considerate, and even much loved humans. They are suffering because they are unable to have a normal relationship with humans. After all, these dogs were developed to work and live in harmony with humans.... When there is no way to treat this illness successfully, it is time to give them merciful relief through euthanasia. I like to think that these dogs will meet us at the bridge, mentally whole again. Jo Wolf Martinez, Georgia |
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Very sad news.... and I really do feel for you folks...
I once had to euthanize a young rescue dog, an apparent Dachshund x probable Border Terrier cross that was a natural comedienne, very bright, and showed such promise... In her case, the vet said it was probably neurological changes; there were some subtle changes in examination. I kept her after it was clear she couldn't be placed, hoping that we could turn her around... but she started going after my dogs, and then after me, all without provocation beyond existing... and being told to go out for "last call" before bedtime. The vet insisted on sedating her before letting me hold her for the final injection, she was so nasty with the techs while they put the IV in... a definite change in her demeanor. It was a wrenching experience. It is never easy to make these decisions..... One way I like to explain it is that there are some dogs with a mental illness that makes it impossible for them to react safely to considerate, and even much loved humans. They are suffering because they are unable to have a normal relationship with humans. After all, these dogs were developed to work and live in harmony with humans.... When there is no way to treat this illness successfully, it is time to give them merciful relief through euthanasia. I like to think that these dogs will meet us at the bridge, mentally whole again. Jo Wolf Martinez, Georgia |
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Very sad news.... and I really do feel for you folks...
I once had to euthanize a young rescue dog, an apparent Dachshund x probable Border Terrier cross that was a natural comedienne, very bright, and showed such promise... In her case, the vet said it was probably neurological changes; there were some subtle changes in examination. I kept her after it was clear she couldn't be placed, hoping that we could turn her around... but she started going after my dogs, and then after me, all without provocation beyond existing... and being told to go out for "last call" before bedtime. The vet insisted on sedating her before letting me hold her for the final injection, she was so nasty with the techs while they put the IV in... a definite change in her demeanor. It was a wrenching experience. It is never easy to make these decisions..... One way I like to explain it is that there are some dogs with a mental illness that makes it impossible for them to react safely to considerate, and even much loved humans. They are suffering because they are unable to have a normal relationship with humans. After all, these dogs were developed to work and live in harmony with humans.... When there is no way to treat this illness successfully, it is time to give them merciful relief through euthanasia. I like to think that these dogs will meet us at the bridge, mentally whole again. Jo Wolf Martinez, Georgia |
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Very sad news.... and I really do feel for you folks...
I once had to euthanize a young rescue dog, an apparent Dachshund x probable Border Terrier cross that was a natural comedienne, very bright, and showed such promise... In her case, the vet said it was probably neurological changes; there were some subtle changes in examination. I kept her after it was clear she couldn't be placed, hoping that we could turn her around... but she started going after my dogs, and then after me, all without provocation beyond existing... and being told to go out for "last call" before bedtime. The vet insisted on sedating her before letting me hold her for the final injection, she was so nasty with the techs while they put the IV in... a definite change in her demeanor. It was a wrenching experience. It is never easy to make these decisions..... One way I like to explain it is that there are some dogs with a mental illness that makes it impossible for them to react safely to considerate, and even much loved humans. They are suffering because they are unable to have a normal relationship with humans. After all, these dogs were developed to work and live in harmony with humans.... When there is no way to treat this illness successfully, it is time to give them merciful relief through euthanasia. I like to think that these dogs will meet us at the bridge, mentally whole again. Jo Wolf Martinez, Georgia |
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KWBrown said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
The refrain from all three: "That dog is a ticking time-bomb and you just can't take a risk like this with your kids." I can't see that being the final call. How did this happen in just a few weeks? It *has* to be medical. If I was to tag Teena with any sort of label, it would be "soft". Hell, she liked me and I'm a guy. I know that you're not one to overreact, but I'm still going to caution you to not be too quick on this. I can't recall everything in the previous thread, but have you been to a behaviourist? -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. |
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KWBrown said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
The refrain from all three: "That dog is a ticking time-bomb and you just can't take a risk like this with your kids." I can't see that being the final call. How did this happen in just a few weeks? It *has* to be medical. If I was to tag Teena with any sort of label, it would be "soft". Hell, she liked me and I'm a guy. I know that you're not one to overreact, but I'm still going to caution you to not be too quick on this. I can't recall everything in the previous thread, but have you been to a behaviourist? -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. |
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KWBrown said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
The refrain from all three: "That dog is a ticking time-bomb and you just can't take a risk like this with your kids." I can't see that being the final call. How did this happen in just a few weeks? It *has* to be medical. If I was to tag Teena with any sort of label, it would be "soft". Hell, she liked me and I'm a guy. I know that you're not one to overreact, but I'm still going to caution you to not be too quick on this. I can't recall everything in the previous thread, but have you been to a behaviourist? -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. |
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KWBrown said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
The refrain from all three: "That dog is a ticking time-bomb and you just can't take a risk like this with your kids." I can't see that being the final call. How did this happen in just a few weeks? It *has* to be medical. If I was to tag Teena with any sort of label, it would be "soft". Hell, she liked me and I'm a guy. I know that you're not one to overreact, but I'm still going to caution you to not be too quick on this. I can't recall everything in the previous thread, but have you been to a behaviourist? -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. |
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Does she need to be pts? Can't she be rehomed where there are no children.
Plenty of dogs don't like kids and get placed in childless homes. Walk through a shelter, plenty of tags say "Not good with children". Am I missing something, is she also getting snappy with adults? -- Kristen and Kali CDX, CGC, TDIA, TT www.kristenandkali.com "KWBrown" wrote in message ... Hi, all. Very bad day today. Teena snapped at (but missed) my 8yo when he jumped into her space. She went to the vet and got a clean bill of health. Who knew I'd ever be praying for something to be wrong with my dog? The vet's take: This is Very Bad and isn't going to get better. I called the breeder and explained the situation, expecting her to give me lots of good ideas for how to manage the problem, or to offer to save her by taking her back... I was preparing to insist that she sign paperwork promising never to let Teena near another child. The breeder's take: When ESS get like this, it's Very Bad and isn't going to get better. The poor woman was near tears, but said that in her years in the breed, she hasn't seen these things respond to training in the long run. The best she could do was offer to make the final trip to the vet with or instead of me, if that would help. Called my trainer. Her take: Let's stay on track with a week of boarding and observation, but if the vet *and* the breeder (especially the breeder) have such a negative outlook, prepare yourself for the worst. The refrain from all three: "That dog is a ticking time-bomb and you just can't take a risk like this with your kids." Damn, damn, damn. -- Kate Teena the ESS, Storm the FCR Remove spamblock to email, and let me know because this account is heavily filtered. |
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