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Old May 19th 04, 07:54 AM
Gary
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I have a question and need some opinions. I live in an apartment, and
a neighbor has two large dogs that exhibit aggressive behavior. On
more than one occasion, as I was entering or leaving my apartment, the
neighbor was walking the dogs when they lunged at me unexpectedly,
growling and barking with bared teeth. I don't know what triggers this
behavior, as one second they are just walking along and the next they
look like they want to attack. On all of these occasions the neighbor
was able to restrain the dogs by leash, but just barely as these dogs
probably weigh more than she does. I believe they would attack me if
they got loose. I spoke to my apartment manager about this, but she
said there was little they could do as the dogs hadn't bitten me.

So, what should I do?
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Old May 19th 04, 12:13 PM
Julia Altshuler
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Gary wrote:
I have a question and need some opinions. I live in an apartment, and
a neighbor has two large dogs that exhibit aggressive behavior. On
more than one occasion, as I was entering or leaving my apartment, the
neighbor was walking the dogs when they lunged at me unexpectedly,
growling and barking with bared teeth. I don't know what triggers this
behavior, as one second they are just walking along and the next they
look like they want to attack. On all of these occasions the neighbor
was able to restrain the dogs by leash, but just barely as these dogs
probably weigh more than she does. I believe they would attack me if
they got loose. I spoke to my apartment manager about this, but she
said there was little they could do as the dogs hadn't bitten me.

So, what should I do?



You and your partner should move before you get murdered.

--Lia

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Old May 19th 04, 12:13 PM
Julia Altshuler
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Gary wrote:
I have a question and need some opinions. I live in an apartment, and
a neighbor has two large dogs that exhibit aggressive behavior. On
more than one occasion, as I was entering or leaving my apartment, the
neighbor was walking the dogs when they lunged at me unexpectedly,
growling and barking with bared teeth. I don't know what triggers this
behavior, as one second they are just walking along and the next they
look like they want to attack. On all of these occasions the neighbor
was able to restrain the dogs by leash, but just barely as these dogs
probably weigh more than she does. I believe they would attack me if
they got loose. I spoke to my apartment manager about this, but she
said there was little they could do as the dogs hadn't bitten me.

So, what should I do?



You and your partner should move before you get murdered.

--Lia

  #4  
Old May 19th 04, 12:13 PM
Julia Altshuler
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Gary wrote:
I have a question and need some opinions. I live in an apartment, and
a neighbor has two large dogs that exhibit aggressive behavior. On
more than one occasion, as I was entering or leaving my apartment, the
neighbor was walking the dogs when they lunged at me unexpectedly,
growling and barking with bared teeth. I don't know what triggers this
behavior, as one second they are just walking along and the next they
look like they want to attack. On all of these occasions the neighbor
was able to restrain the dogs by leash, but just barely as these dogs
probably weigh more than she does. I believe they would attack me if
they got loose. I spoke to my apartment manager about this, but she
said there was little they could do as the dogs hadn't bitten me.

So, what should I do?



You and your partner should move before you get murdered.

--Lia

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Old May 23rd 04, 12:05 AM
michael
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Lynn K. wrote:
(Gary) wrote in message . com...

I spoke to my apartment manager about this, but she
said there was little they could do as the dogs hadn't bitten me.



Call Animal Control or Animal Services for your location and ask about
the laws against dangerous or potentially dangerous dogs. Many such
laws cover dogs who have threatened to do harm, not just those who
have bitten.

Lynn K.



Or better yet, contact Lynn Kill herself and she'll
personally murder the offending dog for you.

I hope you have found this to be of heelp.




Subject: I Got dead today, courtesy of Lynn K, sincerely, a Border
Collie ( it was magical and mystical and artistic)
This is the only article in this thread
View: Original Format
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior, rec.pets.dogs.rescue,
rec.pets.dogs.breeds
Date: 2003-09-01 09:13:41 PST


Lynn K. wrote:


After a couple of years of watching and helping at herding trials I
don't even pretend to understand all the nuances of what I'm

watching,
even when scribing. But every artist needs an audience and I have
learned enough to recognize the artistry of a lot of the BCs I've

seen


Yeah, you recognize artistry alright, just like you recognized it in
this Border Collie, who was titled, flashy, dynamite, and looking for a
great home and a great life with an owner like Melanie Lee Chang, who,
even though she's not terribly bright or talented of a trainer (and
doesn't know much about Biology), would have had ZERO problems with this
dog.

But no, no, no, no, instead of giving this dog a great life, you
artistically ****ING MURDERED her you LITHIUM and ZOLOFT DOPED up DOG
MURDERING F#%KING MANIAC.

Artistic and Magic my ass you mindless brazen dog slaughterer. Here's a
few more of your victims. Never mind the puppies who jump on volunteers
who have to DIE as a result at the "shelters" where you "evaluate" and
"rescue" dogs.

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!

----------------------------------
Lynn K, kills a great dog
----------------------------------

Exactly. A couple of years ago I evaluated a BC bitch in rescue who had
gotten in 20-25 bites on her foster family the 1st day in their home.
The problem was that there were a whole slew of people lined up who
wanted her because she was a dynamite herding dog, titled before she was
2, flashy, etc.. Most of these people were single women

[editor's note, like Melanie Lee Chang, who would
have had ZERO problems with this dog, even though
she's 1/10th the trainer Michael is]

into competitive herding who had no children or plans to have any.

Testing the dog revealed that she had a safety zone of about 3 ft and
would use her mouth to drive out anyone who came within that space
(other than whoever was holding her leash). She also would not tolerate
any entrance to her airspace. The deciding factor was that eye contact
was also a trigger and the severity of the bite increased with eye's
moved lowerer to her level. IOW, the shorter the person, the harder the
bite, and kids were shortest of all."

[This is HOWE lynn KillMooreDogs seals a
a dog's fate and this is HOWE SHE KILLS
DOGS. She kills them with WORDS, not with
poison. She lets sucker animal lovers or
sucker volunteers do the dirty work of
poisoning them and dumping their bodies,
after she condemns them to death with
her "evaluation"] --editor's note


We decided that even if we could feel perfectly safe with a person and
situation we placed her into, she still had to live in a world where
there were children and we couldn't, in good conscience, put a known
risk like her into that world. People's lives and situation change and
any adopter might have future contact with children that they don't have
at present.

She was put down.


[because of Lynn K.s Passionate concerns about
LIABILITY INSURANCE, the ONLY thing she cares
about, besides her REPUTATION as an "animal
lover" BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA!!!] --editor's note

Lynn K.

---------------------------------------------

MOOOOORE DOG KILLING FROM LYNN KILLMAKOS





LYNN K. "I'LL PUT A BITER DOWN AS FAST AS ANYONE"


==============================================
On her role in killing dogs in the SF Bay area, a role she claims she
doesn't play anymoore.
==============================================


"I'll put down a biter as fast as anyone - provided I have seen the
behavior and know that the dog is in fact a biter."
--Lynn K.

-----------------------------

"I've been in dogs for over 40 years and worked with
many rescue organizations and with shelters in 3 states. I've
been in the position of evaluating court-seized dogs in bite
cases."
--Lynn K.

------------------------------


No. I evaluated Hera. It wasn't all poor upbringing and management.

Lynn K.


--------------------------

Exactly. A couple of years ago I evaluated a BC bitch in rescue who had
gotten in 20-25 bites on her foster family the 1st day in their home.
The problem was that there were a whole slew of people lined up who
wanted her because she was a dynamite herding dog, titled before she was
2, flashy, etc.. Most of these people were single women

[editor's note, like Melanie Lee Chang, who would
have had ZERO problems with this dog, even though
she's 1/10th the trainer Michael is]

into competitive herding who had no children or plans to have any.

Testing the dog revealed that she had a safety zone of about 3 ft and
would use her mouth to drive out anyone who came within that space
(other than whoever was holding her leash). She also would not tolerate
any entrance to her airspace. The deciding factor was that eye contact
was also a trigger and the severity of the bite increased with eye's
moved lowerer to her level. IOW, the shorter the person, the harder the
bite, and kids were shortest of all."

[This is HOWE lynn KillMooreDogs seals a
a dog's fate and this is HOWE SHE KILLS
DOGS. She kills them with WORDS, not with
poison. She lets sucker animal lovers or
sucker volunteers do the dirty work of
poisoning them and dumping their bodies,
after she condemns them to death with
her "evaluation"] --editor's note


We decided that even if we could feel perfectly safe with a person and
situation we placed her into, she still had to live in a world where
there were children and we couldn't, in good conscience, put a known
risk like her into that world. People's lives and situation change and
any adopter might have future contact with children that they don't have
at present.

She was put down.


[because of Lynn K.s Passionate concerns about
LIABILITY INSURANCE, the ONLY thing she cares
about, besides her REPUTATION as an "animal
lover" BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA!!!] --editor's note

Lynn K.
---------------------------


"I had a somewhat similar situation 2 weeks ago. I got a call from the
city pound informing me that a dog that had once been in our Humane
Society program had been picked up and was scheduled to die the next
day. After much research, I found out that the dog was never really one
of ours, but that a foster home we had briefly used, then fired, took a
litter, let most die needlessly, and this was the sole survivor. I got
the dog extended 24 hours, sent 6 interested parties to the pound to see
the dog, and ran to the pound to let them know the owner's contact info.
It turns out that they knew well who the owner was - over 20
complaints against her and the dog had been picked up twice that month.
She went to Mexico for a long vacation and left the dog in the
back
yard, trusting neighbors to throw food over the fence. To make it
worse, I evaluated the dog as unsafe, and then the dog went for a kennel
worker and was declared unsafe by the pound, and only available to us.
The pound would not let the owner reclaim the dog, even if she were
available to do so. So that left me with -
- a dog with unclear legal ownership
- an unsuitable owner who wanted the dog, but couldn't have the dog
- an unadoptable dog for the general public
- a dog that couldn't go to anyone who would be able to help him
- and no foster homes or resources to take him into our rescue program.

The dog died. And I had to tell that irresponsible owner on her return
why her dog had to die."

Lynn K.

[it's always a tragedy and the dog
just up and dies. But Lynn KILL
won't mention her part in the
killing. She condemned that innocent
dog to death simply because it got lost.
But Lynn Kill will ignore that.
Lynn K always blames
someone else when she is involved in
killing a perfectly good dog.

The organizations Lynn K is
a part of GET PAID TO KILL DOGS,
and somebody has to make up stupid
reasons to kill perfectly good dogs
Because the STATE is paying those
"shelters" to ELIMINATE dogs & puppies
Lynn K. plays a role in that capacity,
despite her lies and denials. The STATE
needs those dogs dead, and Lynn Kill
helps them achieve their objective, like
she did in her part in the confiscation
and murder of the lost dog in the case
above. The dog HAD TO DIE, because Lynn
KILL said so.]
--editor's note

-----------------------------


Shows you what you know. It was SF, not LA, and I evaluated Hera.
She was fear aggressive. Period. No training of any kind on that
dog, much to the DA's chagrin because he wanted to be able to charge
them with Murder 2.

Lynn K.

[Hera was one of the dogs involved in the San Francisco Diane Whipple
dog fatality. Lynn K. frequently brags that she was involved in
evaluating that dog. That dog, of course, was killed]
--editor's note


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



There's several threads going on now in .behavior about dominance problems.

In one of them (HELP! Life or Death...) I gave the 21 management rules I
use for a dominant dog. For real hardcases, the other option is to
escalate to a full NILIF regime. Frankly, any dog that doesn't respond
to either of those options is a rogue, unsafe, and should be destroyed.

Lynn K.


[Lynn K. does not pull any punches
when it comes to killing dogs or
recommending that they be killed for
not getting with the program, or for
jumping up and playing with volunteers
at one of her "shelters"

ARRRRRRRGH!!!] --editor's note
----------------------------------------













--
this is michael
reporting live...
http://dogtv.com


BRILLIANT
http://dogtv.com/sionnach.wmv

  #9  
Old May 23rd 04, 12:05 AM
michael
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Posts: n/a
Default



Lynn K. wrote:
(Gary) wrote in message . com...

I spoke to my apartment manager about this, but she
said there was little they could do as the dogs hadn't bitten me.



Call Animal Control or Animal Services for your location and ask about
the laws against dangerous or potentially dangerous dogs. Many such
laws cover dogs who have threatened to do harm, not just those who
have bitten.

Lynn K.



Or better yet, contact Lynn Kill herself and she'll
personally murder the offending dog for you.

I hope you have found this to be of heelp.




Subject: I Got dead today, courtesy of Lynn K, sincerely, a Border
Collie ( it was magical and mystical and artistic)
This is the only article in this thread
View: Original Format
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior, rec.pets.dogs.rescue,
rec.pets.dogs.breeds
Date: 2003-09-01 09:13:41 PST


Lynn K. wrote:


After a couple of years of watching and helping at herding trials I
don't even pretend to understand all the nuances of what I'm

watching,
even when scribing. But every artist needs an audience and I have
learned enough to recognize the artistry of a lot of the BCs I've

seen


Yeah, you recognize artistry alright, just like you recognized it in
this Border Collie, who was titled, flashy, dynamite, and looking for a
great home and a great life with an owner like Melanie Lee Chang, who,
even though she's not terribly bright or talented of a trainer (and
doesn't know much about Biology), would have had ZERO problems with this
dog.

But no, no, no, no, instead of giving this dog a great life, you
artistically ****ING MURDERED her you LITHIUM and ZOLOFT DOPED up DOG
MURDERING F#%KING MANIAC.

Artistic and Magic my ass you mindless brazen dog slaughterer. Here's a
few more of your victims. Never mind the puppies who jump on volunteers
who have to DIE as a result at the "shelters" where you "evaluate" and
"rescue" dogs.

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!

----------------------------------
Lynn K, kills a great dog
----------------------------------

Exactly. A couple of years ago I evaluated a BC bitch in rescue who had
gotten in 20-25 bites on her foster family the 1st day in their home.
The problem was that there were a whole slew of people lined up who
wanted her because she was a dynamite herding dog, titled before she was
2, flashy, etc.. Most of these people were single women

[editor's note, like Melanie Lee Chang, who would
have had ZERO problems with this dog, even though
she's 1/10th the trainer Michael is]

into competitive herding who had no children or plans to have any.

Testing the dog revealed that she had a safety zone of about 3 ft and
would use her mouth to drive out anyone who came within that space
(other than whoever was holding her leash). She also would not tolerate
any entrance to her airspace. The deciding factor was that eye contact
was also a trigger and the severity of the bite increased with eye's
moved lowerer to her level. IOW, the shorter the person, the harder the
bite, and kids were shortest of all."

[This is HOWE lynn KillMooreDogs seals a
a dog's fate and this is HOWE SHE KILLS
DOGS. She kills them with WORDS, not with
poison. She lets sucker animal lovers or
sucker volunteers do the dirty work of
poisoning them and dumping their bodies,
after she condemns them to death with
her "evaluation"] --editor's note


We decided that even if we could feel perfectly safe with a person and
situation we placed her into, she still had to live in a world where
there were children and we couldn't, in good conscience, put a known
risk like her into that world. People's lives and situation change and
any adopter might have future contact with children that they don't have
at present.

She was put down.


[because of Lynn K.s Passionate concerns about
LIABILITY INSURANCE, the ONLY thing she cares
about, besides her REPUTATION as an "animal
lover" BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA!!!] --editor's note

Lynn K.

---------------------------------------------

MOOOOORE DOG KILLING FROM LYNN KILLMAKOS





LYNN K. "I'LL PUT A BITER DOWN AS FAST AS ANYONE"


==============================================
On her role in killing dogs in the SF Bay area, a role she claims she
doesn't play anymoore.
==============================================


"I'll put down a biter as fast as anyone - provided I have seen the
behavior and know that the dog is in fact a biter."
--Lynn K.

-----------------------------

"I've been in dogs for over 40 years and worked with
many rescue organizations and with shelters in 3 states. I've
been in the position of evaluating court-seized dogs in bite
cases."
--Lynn K.

------------------------------


No. I evaluated Hera. It wasn't all poor upbringing and management.

Lynn K.


--------------------------

Exactly. A couple of years ago I evaluated a BC bitch in rescue who had
gotten in 20-25 bites on her foster family the 1st day in their home.
The problem was that there were a whole slew of people lined up who
wanted her because she was a dynamite herding dog, titled before she was
2, flashy, etc.. Most of these people were single women

[editor's note, like Melanie Lee Chang, who would
have had ZERO problems with this dog, even though
she's 1/10th the trainer Michael is]

into competitive herding who had no children or plans to have any.

Testing the dog revealed that she had a safety zone of about 3 ft and
would use her mouth to drive out anyone who came within that space
(other than whoever was holding her leash). She also would not tolerate
any entrance to her airspace. The deciding factor was that eye contact
was also a trigger and the severity of the bite increased with eye's
moved lowerer to her level. IOW, the shorter the person, the harder the
bite, and kids were shortest of all."

[This is HOWE lynn KillMooreDogs seals a
a dog's fate and this is HOWE SHE KILLS
DOGS. She kills them with WORDS, not with
poison. She lets sucker animal lovers or
sucker volunteers do the dirty work of
poisoning them and dumping their bodies,
after she condemns them to death with
her "evaluation"] --editor's note


We decided that even if we could feel perfectly safe with a person and
situation we placed her into, she still had to live in a world where
there were children and we couldn't, in good conscience, put a known
risk like her into that world. People's lives and situation change and
any adopter might have future contact with children that they don't have
at present.

She was put down.


[because of Lynn K.s Passionate concerns about
LIABILITY INSURANCE, the ONLY thing she cares
about, besides her REPUTATION as an "animal
lover" BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA!!!] --editor's note

Lynn K.
---------------------------


"I had a somewhat similar situation 2 weeks ago. I got a call from the
city pound informing me that a dog that had once been in our Humane
Society program had been picked up and was scheduled to die the next
day. After much research, I found out that the dog was never really one
of ours, but that a foster home we had briefly used, then fired, took a
litter, let most die needlessly, and this was the sole survivor. I got
the dog extended 24 hours, sent 6 interested parties to the pound to see
the dog, and ran to the pound to let them know the owner's contact info.
It turns out that they knew well who the owner was - over 20
complaints against her and the dog had been picked up twice that month.
She went to Mexico for a long vacation and left the dog in the
back
yard, trusting neighbors to throw food over the fence. To make it
worse, I evaluated the dog as unsafe, and then the dog went for a kennel
worker and was declared unsafe by the pound, and only available to us.
The pound would not let the owner reclaim the dog, even if she were
available to do so. So that left me with -
- a dog with unclear legal ownership
- an unsuitable owner who wanted the dog, but couldn't have the dog
- an unadoptable dog for the general public
- a dog that couldn't go to anyone who would be able to help him
- and no foster homes or resources to take him into our rescue program.

The dog died. And I had to tell that irresponsible owner on her return
why her dog had to die."

Lynn K.

[it's always a tragedy and the dog
just up and dies. But Lynn KILL
won't mention her part in the
killing. She condemned that innocent
dog to death simply because it got lost.
But Lynn Kill will ignore that.
Lynn K always blames
someone else when she is involved in
killing a perfectly good dog.

The organizations Lynn K is
a part of GET PAID TO KILL DOGS,
and somebody has to make up stupid
reasons to kill perfectly good dogs
Because the STATE is paying those
"shelters" to ELIMINATE dogs & puppies
Lynn K. plays a role in that capacity,
despite her lies and denials. The STATE
needs those dogs dead, and Lynn Kill
helps them achieve their objective, like
she did in her part in the confiscation
and murder of the lost dog in the case
above. The dog HAD TO DIE, because Lynn
KILL said so.]
--editor's note

-----------------------------


Shows you what you know. It was SF, not LA, and I evaluated Hera.
She was fear aggressive. Period. No training of any kind on that
dog, much to the DA's chagrin because he wanted to be able to charge
them with Murder 2.

Lynn K.

[Hera was one of the dogs involved in the San Francisco Diane Whipple
dog fatality. Lynn K. frequently brags that she was involved in
evaluating that dog. That dog, of course, was killed]
--editor's note


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



There's several threads going on now in .behavior about dominance problems.

In one of them (HELP! Life or Death...) I gave the 21 management rules I
use for a dominant dog. For real hardcases, the other option is to
escalate to a full NILIF regime. Frankly, any dog that doesn't respond
to either of those options is a rogue, unsafe, and should be destroyed.

Lynn K.


[Lynn K. does not pull any punches
when it comes to killing dogs or
recommending that they be killed for
not getting with the program, or for
jumping up and playing with volunteers
at one of her "shelters"

ARRRRRRRGH!!!] --editor's note
----------------------------------------













--
this is michael
reporting live...
http://dogtv.com


BRILLIANT
http://dogtv.com/sionnach.wmv

  #10  
Old May 23rd 04, 12:05 AM
michael
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default



Lynn K. wrote:
(Gary) wrote in message . com...

I spoke to my apartment manager about this, but she
said there was little they could do as the dogs hadn't bitten me.



Call Animal Control or Animal Services for your location and ask about
the laws against dangerous or potentially dangerous dogs. Many such
laws cover dogs who have threatened to do harm, not just those who
have bitten.

Lynn K.



Or better yet, contact Lynn Kill herself and she'll
personally murder the offending dog for you.

I hope you have found this to be of heelp.




Subject: I Got dead today, courtesy of Lynn K, sincerely, a Border
Collie ( it was magical and mystical and artistic)
This is the only article in this thread
View: Original Format
Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior, rec.pets.dogs.rescue,
rec.pets.dogs.breeds
Date: 2003-09-01 09:13:41 PST


Lynn K. wrote:


After a couple of years of watching and helping at herding trials I
don't even pretend to understand all the nuances of what I'm

watching,
even when scribing. But every artist needs an audience and I have
learned enough to recognize the artistry of a lot of the BCs I've

seen


Yeah, you recognize artistry alright, just like you recognized it in
this Border Collie, who was titled, flashy, dynamite, and looking for a
great home and a great life with an owner like Melanie Lee Chang, who,
even though she's not terribly bright or talented of a trainer (and
doesn't know much about Biology), would have had ZERO problems with this
dog.

But no, no, no, no, instead of giving this dog a great life, you
artistically ****ING MURDERED her you LITHIUM and ZOLOFT DOPED up DOG
MURDERING F#%KING MANIAC.

Artistic and Magic my ass you mindless brazen dog slaughterer. Here's a
few more of your victims. Never mind the puppies who jump on volunteers
who have to DIE as a result at the "shelters" where you "evaluate" and
"rescue" dogs.

BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!!

----------------------------------
Lynn K, kills a great dog
----------------------------------

Exactly. A couple of years ago I evaluated a BC bitch in rescue who had
gotten in 20-25 bites on her foster family the 1st day in their home.
The problem was that there were a whole slew of people lined up who
wanted her because she was a dynamite herding dog, titled before she was
2, flashy, etc.. Most of these people were single women

[editor's note, like Melanie Lee Chang, who would
have had ZERO problems with this dog, even though
she's 1/10th the trainer Michael is]

into competitive herding who had no children or plans to have any.

Testing the dog revealed that she had a safety zone of about 3 ft and
would use her mouth to drive out anyone who came within that space
(other than whoever was holding her leash). She also would not tolerate
any entrance to her airspace. The deciding factor was that eye contact
was also a trigger and the severity of the bite increased with eye's
moved lowerer to her level. IOW, the shorter the person, the harder the
bite, and kids were shortest of all."

[This is HOWE lynn KillMooreDogs seals a
a dog's fate and this is HOWE SHE KILLS
DOGS. She kills them with WORDS, not with
poison. She lets sucker animal lovers or
sucker volunteers do the dirty work of
poisoning them and dumping their bodies,
after she condemns them to death with
her "evaluation"] --editor's note


We decided that even if we could feel perfectly safe with a person and
situation we placed her into, she still had to live in a world where
there were children and we couldn't, in good conscience, put a known
risk like her into that world. People's lives and situation change and
any adopter might have future contact with children that they don't have
at present.

She was put down.


[because of Lynn K.s Passionate concerns about
LIABILITY INSURANCE, the ONLY thing she cares
about, besides her REPUTATION as an "animal
lover" BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA!!!] --editor's note

Lynn K.

---------------------------------------------

MOOOOORE DOG KILLING FROM LYNN KILLMAKOS





LYNN K. "I'LL PUT A BITER DOWN AS FAST AS ANYONE"


==============================================
On her role in killing dogs in the SF Bay area, a role she claims she
doesn't play anymoore.
==============================================


"I'll put down a biter as fast as anyone - provided I have seen the
behavior and know that the dog is in fact a biter."
--Lynn K.

-----------------------------

"I've been in dogs for over 40 years and worked with
many rescue organizations and with shelters in 3 states. I've
been in the position of evaluating court-seized dogs in bite
cases."
--Lynn K.

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No. I evaluated Hera. It wasn't all poor upbringing and management.

Lynn K.


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Exactly. A couple of years ago I evaluated a BC bitch in rescue who had
gotten in 20-25 bites on her foster family the 1st day in their home.
The problem was that there were a whole slew of people lined up who
wanted her because she was a dynamite herding dog, titled before she was
2, flashy, etc.. Most of these people were single women

[editor's note, like Melanie Lee Chang, who would
have had ZERO problems with this dog, even though
she's 1/10th the trainer Michael is]

into competitive herding who had no children or plans to have any.

Testing the dog revealed that she had a safety zone of about 3 ft and
would use her mouth to drive out anyone who came within that space
(other than whoever was holding her leash). She also would not tolerate
any entrance to her airspace. The deciding factor was that eye contact
was also a trigger and the severity of the bite increased with eye's
moved lowerer to her level. IOW, the shorter the person, the harder the
bite, and kids were shortest of all."

[This is HOWE lynn KillMooreDogs seals a
a dog's fate and this is HOWE SHE KILLS
DOGS. She kills them with WORDS, not with
poison. She lets sucker animal lovers or
sucker volunteers do the dirty work of
poisoning them and dumping their bodies,
after she condemns them to death with
her "evaluation"] --editor's note


We decided that even if we could feel perfectly safe with a person and
situation we placed her into, she still had to live in a world where
there were children and we couldn't, in good conscience, put a known
risk like her into that world. People's lives and situation change and
any adopter might have future contact with children that they don't have
at present.

She was put down.


[because of Lynn K.s Passionate concerns about
LIABILITY INSURANCE, the ONLY thing she cares
about, besides her REPUTATION as an "animal
lover" BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA!!!] --editor's note

Lynn K.
---------------------------


"I had a somewhat similar situation 2 weeks ago. I got a call from the
city pound informing me that a dog that had once been in our Humane
Society program had been picked up and was scheduled to die the next
day. After much research, I found out that the dog was never really one
of ours, but that a foster home we had briefly used, then fired, took a
litter, let most die needlessly, and this was the sole survivor. I got
the dog extended 24 hours, sent 6 interested parties to the pound to see
the dog, and ran to the pound to let them know the owner's contact info.
It turns out that they knew well who the owner was - over 20
complaints against her and the dog had been picked up twice that month.
She went to Mexico for a long vacation and left the dog in the
back
yard, trusting neighbors to throw food over the fence. To make it
worse, I evaluated the dog as unsafe, and then the dog went for a kennel
worker and was declared unsafe by the pound, and only available to us.
The pound would not let the owner reclaim the dog, even if she were
available to do so. So that left me with -
- a dog with unclear legal ownership
- an unsuitable owner who wanted the dog, but couldn't have the dog
- an unadoptable dog for the general public
- a dog that couldn't go to anyone who would be able to help him
- and no foster homes or resources to take him into our rescue program.

The dog died. And I had to tell that irresponsible owner on her return
why her dog had to die."

Lynn K.

[it's always a tragedy and the dog
just up and dies. But Lynn KILL
won't mention her part in the
killing. She condemned that innocent
dog to death simply because it got lost.
But Lynn Kill will ignore that.
Lynn K always blames
someone else when she is involved in
killing a perfectly good dog.

The organizations Lynn K is
a part of GET PAID TO KILL DOGS,
and somebody has to make up stupid
reasons to kill perfectly good dogs
Because the STATE is paying those
"shelters" to ELIMINATE dogs & puppies
Lynn K. plays a role in that capacity,
despite her lies and denials. The STATE
needs those dogs dead, and Lynn Kill
helps them achieve their objective, like
she did in her part in the confiscation
and murder of the lost dog in the case
above. The dog HAD TO DIE, because Lynn
KILL said so.]
--editor's note

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Shows you what you know. It was SF, not LA, and I evaluated Hera.
She was fear aggressive. Period. No training of any kind on that
dog, much to the DA's chagrin because he wanted to be able to charge
them with Murder 2.

Lynn K.

[Hera was one of the dogs involved in the San Francisco Diane Whipple
dog fatality. Lynn K. frequently brags that she was involved in
evaluating that dog. That dog, of course, was killed]
--editor's note


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There's several threads going on now in .behavior about dominance problems.

In one of them (HELP! Life or Death...) I gave the 21 management rules I
use for a dominant dog. For real hardcases, the other option is to
escalate to a full NILIF regime. Frankly, any dog that doesn't respond
to either of those options is a rogue, unsafe, and should be destroyed.

Lynn K.


[Lynn K. does not pull any punches
when it comes to killing dogs or
recommending that they be killed for
not getting with the program, or for
jumping up and playing with volunteers
at one of her "shelters"

ARRRRRRRGH!!!] --editor's note
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