Hi everyone,

My wife and I just adopted a shelter dog who was scheduled to be
euthanized. She's about 1 years old, and seems to be very smart. In
a few days, we've already taught her basic commands.

The problem is that:

1. she is not housetrained and
2. she refuses to leave the apartment.

When we attempt to take her for a walk in the park, she fights like
mad and even has escaped from her harness a few times. The only way
we have been able to get her outside is to physically pick her up and
carry her out the door. Once we get outside, she dashes around in
every direction. She gets along fine with other dogs but is wary of
most other people.

Once we get to the park, she seems to settle down a little bit but
will never eliminate outside. We took her on long walks 3 different
times yesterday (1/2 hour after meals) and she will simply not go
outdoors (either urinate or poop).

She sleeps on a little rug next to our bed. We thought that we would
hear her leave the bedroom but last night she must have snuck out,
then urinated in the den, then back into the bedroom.

We are not crazy about crate training because she comes from the
shelter and don't want to terrify her. How can we make her go
outside?

Thanks for all your help.

Josh






We have time to supervise her but

"Ted Simon" wrote in message
om...
Hi everyone,

My wife and I just adopted a shelter dog who was scheduled to be
euthanized. She's about 1 years old, and seems to be very smart. In
a few days, we've already taught her basic commands.

The problem is that:

1. she is not housetrained and
2. she refuses to leave the apartment.

When we attempt to take her for a walk in the park, she fights like
mad and even has escaped from her harness a few times. The only way
we have been able to get her outside is to physically pick her up and
carry her out the door. Once we get outside, she dashes around in
every direction. She gets along fine with other dogs but is wary of
most other people.

Thats very sad. Perhaps you could try luring her out with a wonderful
treat - liver or chicken? If she takes any movement towards the door, she
gets a treat.

Once we get to the park, she seems to settle down a little bit but
will never eliminate outside. We took her on long walks 3 different
times yesterday (1/2 hour after meals) and she will simply not go
outdoors (either urinate or poop).


Its frustrating, isn't it? I can feel it from here. I suspect this dog
has NEVER peed outside and thinks you do that indoors.
I think you need to spend an entire day at the park this weekend. Lots of
water, lots of games. Eventually, she is going to have to pee. You can be
overjoyed and elated.

Oh! Another idea - could she be paper trained? Try it and see. If she is,
you put papers down outside - it often helps a paper trained dog learn to go
out of doors.


She sleeps on a little rug next to our bed. We thought that we would
hear her leave the bedroom but last night she must have snuck out,
then urinated in the den, then back into the bedroom.

For nighttime, you can tether her to the bed on her little rug - that way
she can't sneak out.

We are not crazy about crate training because she comes from the
shelter and don't want to terrify her. How can we make her go
outside?

She may LOVE a kennel - who knows? You should have one, and you should get
her used to it. It doesn't mean she needs to sleep in there or be in there
locked up.

I think most of all this dog needs patience. Sounds like you are doing a
good job of that.

"Ted Simon" wrote in message
om...
Hi everyone,

My wife and I just adopted a shelter dog who was scheduled to be
euthanized. She's about 1 years old, and seems to be very smart. In
a few days, we've already taught her basic commands.

The problem is that:

1. she is not housetrained and
2. she refuses to leave the apartment.

When we attempt to take her for a walk in the park, she fights like
mad and even has escaped from her harness a few times. The only way
we have been able to get her outside is to physically pick her up and
carry her out the door. Once we get outside, she dashes around in
every direction. She gets along fine with other dogs but is wary of
most other people.

Thats very sad. Perhaps you could try luring her out with a wonderful
treat - liver or chicken? If she takes any movement towards the door, she
gets a treat.

Once we get to the park, she seems to settle down a little bit but
will never eliminate outside. We took her on long walks 3 different
times yesterday (1/2 hour after meals) and she will simply not go
outdoors (either urinate or poop).


Its frustrating, isn't it? I can feel it from here. I suspect this dog
has NEVER peed outside and thinks you do that indoors.
I think you need to spend an entire day at the park this weekend. Lots of
water, lots of games. Eventually, she is going to have to pee. You can be
overjoyed and elated.

Oh! Another idea - could she be paper trained? Try it and see. If she is,
you put papers down outside - it often helps a paper trained dog learn to go
out of doors.


She sleeps on a little rug next to our bed. We thought that we would
hear her leave the bedroom but last night she must have snuck out,
then urinated in the den, then back into the bedroom.

For nighttime, you can tether her to the bed on her little rug - that way
she can't sneak out.

We are not crazy about crate training because she comes from the
shelter and don't want to terrify her. How can we make her go
outside?

She may LOVE a kennel - who knows? You should have one, and you should get
her used to it. It doesn't mean she needs to sleep in there or be in there
locked up.

I think most of all this dog needs patience. Sounds like you are doing a
good job of that.

"Ted Simon" wrote in message
om...
Hi everyone,

My wife and I just adopted a shelter dog who was scheduled to be
euthanized. She's about 1 years old, and seems to be very smart. In
a few days, we've already taught her basic commands.

The problem is that:

1. she is not housetrained and
2. she refuses to leave the apartment.

When we attempt to take her for a walk in the park, she fights like
mad and even has escaped from her harness a few times. The only way
we have been able to get her outside is to physically pick her up and
carry her out the door. Once we get outside, she dashes around in
every direction. She gets along fine with other dogs but is wary of
most other people.

Thats very sad. Perhaps you could try luring her out with a wonderful
treat - liver or chicken? If she takes any movement towards the door, she
gets a treat.

Once we get to the park, she seems to settle down a little bit but
will never eliminate outside. We took her on long walks 3 different
times yesterday (1/2 hour after meals) and she will simply not go
outdoors (either urinate or poop).


Its frustrating, isn't it? I can feel it from here. I suspect this dog
has NEVER peed outside and thinks you do that indoors.
I think you need to spend an entire day at the park this weekend. Lots of
water, lots of games. Eventually, she is going to have to pee. You can be
overjoyed and elated.

Oh! Another idea - could she be paper trained? Try it and see. If she is,
you put papers down outside - it often helps a paper trained dog learn to go
out of doors.


She sleeps on a little rug next to our bed. We thought that we would
hear her leave the bedroom but last night she must have snuck out,
then urinated in the den, then back into the bedroom.

For nighttime, you can tether her to the bed on her little rug - that way
she can't sneak out.

We are not crazy about crate training because she comes from the
shelter and don't want to terrify her. How can we make her go
outside?

She may LOVE a kennel - who knows? You should have one, and you should get
her used to it. It doesn't mean she needs to sleep in there or be in there
locked up.

I think most of all this dog needs patience. Sounds like you are doing a
good job of that.

"Ted Simon" wrote in message
om...
Hi everyone,

My wife and I just adopted a shelter dog who was scheduled to be
euthanized. She's about 1 years old, and seems to be very smart. In
a few days, we've already taught her basic commands.

The problem is that:

1. she is not housetrained and
2. she refuses to leave the apartment.

When we attempt to take her for a walk in the park, she fights like
mad and even has escaped from her harness a few times. The only way
we have been able to get her outside is to physically pick her up and
carry her out the door. Once we get outside, she dashes around in
every direction. She gets along fine with other dogs but is wary of
most other people.

Once we get to the park, she seems to settle down a little bit but
will never eliminate outside. We took her on long walks 3 different
times yesterday (1/2 hour after meals) and she will simply not go
outdoors (either urinate or poop).

She sleeps on a little rug next to our bed. We thought that we would
hear her leave the bedroom but last night she must have snuck out,
then urinated in the den, then back into the bedroom.

We are not crazy about crate training because she comes from the
shelter and don't want to terrify her. How can we make her go
outside?

Thanks for all your help.

Josh


Dogs are den animals and their kennels are safe and secure places for them.
What you should do is encourage her to drink a LOT. Kennel her for an hour
or two till you are sure she *has* to go. Let her out of the kennel and
pick her straight up and head outside for the "potty spot" Take a lawn
chair and a book if you need to. YOu do not move until she goes potty. If
she has to go, she'll eventually go. At which time you praise her and give
her some yucky stinky treat like liverwurst. Then she can come back inside
and be with people for a while outside of the kennel but tethered to you
with a long leash. Then after some socialization time, repeat. Feed her
twice a day and take her out immediately afterwards to the potty spot.
Always take her to the same spot until she gets the idea that is why she is
going out.

"Ted Simon" wrote in message
om...
Hi everyone,

My wife and I just adopted a shelter dog who was scheduled to be
euthanized. She's about 1 years old, and seems to be very smart. In
a few days, we've already taught her basic commands.

The problem is that:

1. she is not housetrained and
2. she refuses to leave the apartment.

When we attempt to take her for a walk in the park, she fights like
mad and even has escaped from her harness a few times. The only way
we have been able to get her outside is to physically pick her up and
carry her out the door. Once we get outside, she dashes around in
every direction. She gets along fine with other dogs but is wary of
most other people.

Once we get to the park, she seems to settle down a little bit but
will never eliminate outside. We took her on long walks 3 different
times yesterday (1/2 hour after meals) and she will simply not go
outdoors (either urinate or poop).

She sleeps on a little rug next to our bed. We thought that we would
hear her leave the bedroom but last night she must have snuck out,
then urinated in the den, then back into the bedroom.

We are not crazy about crate training because she comes from the
shelter and don't want to terrify her. How can we make her go
outside?

Thanks for all your help.

Josh


Dogs are den animals and their kennels are safe and secure places for them.
What you should do is encourage her to drink a LOT. Kennel her for an hour
or two till you are sure she *has* to go. Let her out of the kennel and
pick her straight up and head outside for the "potty spot" Take a lawn
chair and a book if you need to. YOu do not move until she goes potty. If
she has to go, she'll eventually go. At which time you praise her and give
her some yucky stinky treat like liverwurst. Then she can come back inside
and be with people for a while outside of the kennel but tethered to you
with a long leash. Then after some socialization time, repeat. Feed her
twice a day and take her out immediately afterwards to the potty spot.
Always take her to the same spot until she gets the idea that is why she is
going out.

"Ted Simon" wrote in message
om...
Hi everyone,

My wife and I just adopted a shelter dog who was scheduled to be
euthanized. She's about 1 years old, and seems to be very smart. In
a few days, we've already taught her basic commands.

The problem is that:

1. she is not housetrained and
2. she refuses to leave the apartment.

When we attempt to take her for a walk in the park, she fights like
mad and even has escaped from her harness a few times. The only way
we have been able to get her outside is to physically pick her up and
carry her out the door. Once we get outside, she dashes around in
every direction. She gets along fine with other dogs but is wary of
most other people.

Once we get to the park, she seems to settle down a little bit but
will never eliminate outside. We took her on long walks 3 different
times yesterday (1/2 hour after meals) and she will simply not go
outdoors (either urinate or poop).

She sleeps on a little rug next to our bed. We thought that we would
hear her leave the bedroom but last night she must have snuck out,
then urinated in the den, then back into the bedroom.

We are not crazy about crate training because she comes from the
shelter and don't want to terrify her. How can we make her go
outside?

Thanks for all your help.

Josh


Dogs are den animals and their kennels are safe and secure places for them.
What you should do is encourage her to drink a LOT. Kennel her for an hour
or two till you are sure she *has* to go. Let her out of the kennel and
pick her straight up and head outside for the "potty spot" Take a lawn
chair and a book if you need to. YOu do not move until she goes potty. If
she has to go, she'll eventually go. At which time you praise her and give
her some yucky stinky treat like liverwurst. Then she can come back inside
and be with people for a while outside of the kennel but tethered to you
with a long leash. Then after some socialization time, repeat. Feed her
twice a day and take her out immediately afterwards to the potty spot.
Always take her to the same spot until she gets the idea that is why she is
going out.

"Ted Simon" wrote in message
om...
Hi everyone,

My wife and I just adopted a shelter dog who was scheduled to be
euthanized. She's about 1 years old, and seems to be very smart. In
a few days, we've already taught her basic commands.

The problem is that:

1. she is not housetrained and
2. she refuses to leave the apartment.

When we attempt to take her for a walk in the park, she fights like
mad and even has escaped from her harness a few times. The only way
we have been able to get her outside is to physically pick her up and
carry her out the door. Once we get outside, she dashes around in
every direction. She gets along fine with other dogs but is wary of
most other people.

Once we get to the park, she seems to settle down a little bit but
will never eliminate outside. We took her on long walks 3 different
times yesterday (1/2 hour after meals) and she will simply not go
outdoors (either urinate or poop).

She sleeps on a little rug next to our bed. We thought that we would
hear her leave the bedroom but last night she must have snuck out,
then urinated in the den, then back into the bedroom.

We are not crazy about crate training because she comes from the
shelter and don't want to terrify her. How can we make her go
outside?

Thanks for all your help.

Josh


Dogs are den animals and their kennels are safe and secure places for them.
What you should do is encourage her to drink a LOT. Kennel her for an hour
or two till you are sure she *has* to go. Let her out of the kennel and
pick her straight up and head outside for the "potty spot" Take a lawn
chair and a book if you need to. YOu do not move until she goes potty. If
she has to go, she'll eventually go. At which time you praise her and give
her some yucky stinky treat like liverwurst. Then she can come back inside
and be with people for a while outside of the kennel but tethered to you
with a long leash. Then after some socialization time, repeat. Feed her
twice a day and take her out immediately afterwards to the potty spot.
Always take her to the same spot until she gets the idea that is why she is
going out.

"Ted Simon" wrote in message
om...
Hi everyone,

My wife and I just adopted a shelter dog who was scheduled to be
euthanized. She's about 1 years old, and seems to be very smart. In
a few days, we've already taught her basic commands.

The problem is that:

1. she is not housetrained and
2. she refuses to leave the apartment.

When we attempt to take her for a walk in the park, she fights like
mad and even has escaped from her harness a few times. The only way
we have been able to get her outside is to physically pick her up and
carry her out the door. Once we get outside, she dashes around in
every direction. She gets along fine with other dogs but is wary of
most other people.

Once we get to the park, she seems to settle down a little bit but
will never eliminate outside. We took her on long walks 3 different
times yesterday (1/2 hour after meals) and she will simply not go
outdoors (either urinate or poop).

She sleeps on a little rug next to our bed. We thought that we would
hear her leave the bedroom but last night she must have snuck out,
then urinated in the den, then back into the bedroom.

We are not crazy about crate training because she comes from the
shelter and don't want to terrify her. How can we make her go
outside?

Thanks for all your help.

Get a crate. Believe it or not for many dogs the crate is their safe place.
They enter & exit for naps and just to hang out of their own free will.
They will not take kindly to having their crate removed/taken down and will
often flee to their crate when they feel anxious or fearful. Give her a
place that is all her own (crate w/a little bed in it) and see what happens.
If she likes it but you find her eliminating in the crate then you may have
what's commonly referred to as a puppymill pup. Puppymill puppies are
raised in cages and never learned to not eliminate where they lay. Should
that be the case then I'd recommend joining a Yahoogroups list for PuppyMill
dogs and/or a large rescue Yahoogroup where rescuers of puppymill dogs may
be able to further help you.

If you have yard space where you can easily access her from inside your door
or see her from a window then you can try buying a stake & cable from a
place like Walmart. The stake goes in the grown, the cable attaches to it
at one end and to the dog at the other. This will allow her to have some
freedom/privacy while outside without enabling her to run off. Its possible
that she just can't eliminate in front of people so giving her a time where
there's no people around to make her feel nervous, yet she's still outside,
may be the answer. The dog I adopted after rescuing wouldn't eliminate
while on a cable run outside of my townhome's back door, nor would she go on
leash without having been walked for a good 15 minutes first. She'd go in
the house, hold it, or wait until she was walked long enough that she just
couldn't hold it anymore. It was frustrating but only lasted for a couple
of months, about the time it took for her to figure out that she wasn't
leaving me & that I wasn't going to hurt her.


--
Tara

"Ted Simon" wrote in message
om...
Hi everyone,

My wife and I just adopted a shelter dog who was scheduled to be
euthanized. She's about 1 years old, and seems to be very smart. In
a few days, we've already taught her basic commands.

The problem is that:

1. she is not housetrained and
2. she refuses to leave the apartment.

When we attempt to take her for a walk in the park, she fights like
mad and even has escaped from her harness a few times. The only way
we have been able to get her outside is to physically pick her up and
carry her out the door. Once we get outside, she dashes around in
every direction. She gets along fine with other dogs but is wary of
most other people.

Once we get to the park, she seems to settle down a little bit but
will never eliminate outside. We took her on long walks 3 different
times yesterday (1/2 hour after meals) and she will simply not go
outdoors (either urinate or poop).

She sleeps on a little rug next to our bed. We thought that we would
hear her leave the bedroom but last night she must have snuck out,
then urinated in the den, then back into the bedroom.

We are not crazy about crate training because she comes from the
shelter and don't want to terrify her. How can we make her go
outside?

Thanks for all your help.

Get a crate. Believe it or not for many dogs the crate is their safe place.
They enter & exit for naps and just to hang out of their own free will.
They will not take kindly to having their crate removed/taken down and will
often flee to their crate when they feel anxious or fearful. Give her a
place that is all her own (crate w/a little bed in it) and see what happens.
If she likes it but you find her eliminating in the crate then you may have
what's commonly referred to as a puppymill pup. Puppymill puppies are
raised in cages and never learned to not eliminate where they lay. Should
that be the case then I'd recommend joining a Yahoogroups list for PuppyMill
dogs and/or a large rescue Yahoogroup where rescuers of puppymill dogs may
be able to further help you.

If you have yard space where you can easily access her from inside your door
or see her from a window then you can try buying a stake & cable from a
place like Walmart. The stake goes in the grown, the cable attaches to it
at one end and to the dog at the other. This will allow her to have some
freedom/privacy while outside without enabling her to run off. Its possible
that she just can't eliminate in front of people so giving her a time where
there's no people around to make her feel nervous, yet she's still outside,
may be the answer. The dog I adopted after rescuing wouldn't eliminate
while on a cable run outside of my townhome's back door, nor would she go on
leash without having been walked for a good 15 minutes first. She'd go in
the house, hold it, or wait until she was walked long enough that she just
couldn't hold it anymore. It was frustrating but only lasted for a couple
of months, about the time it took for her to figure out that she wasn't
leaving me & that I wasn't going to hurt her.


--
Tara