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Old July 13th 03, 11:46 PM
CM
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Default No good turn goes unpunished

To be honest, I don't think your neighbor just bought the puppy to abuse,
and I don't think anyone will bought a puppy to abuse.
Most likely he just doesn't know how to deal with the dog, and he losts
patient.

They never walk it, play with it, or give it any attention. They do
feed it, but I've had to remind them to do it.


I don't know how old is that puppy, but my vet and the pet store where I
bought mine from, forbidden me to walk my puppy before 4 months old because
they said the puppy will catch fleas and other adult dogs' sickness. So
maybe that is what your neighbor is concerned? (My neighbor's dog is older
he still doesn't allow it out coz he doesn't want him to catch fleas and
sickness) You said they never play with it but they were caught playing
rough with it twice? Did they not play with it or they just don't know how?
As for feeding, the vet told me to feed a puppy once or twice or 3 times a
day is enough (I was amazed when he told me, ONCE??), maybe he choses to
feed only once? Unless you are looking at the dog's bowl 24/7 and it's
still empty therefore you remind them.

So, I started walking the dog, playing with it, buying it toys, helping
to feed it. I haven't gotten a dog myself because my lifestyle is


Playing with it is easy, but living with it is not. Do you clean up their
dog's poop and pee also? If their dog poop and pee in their house, do you
clean up their house also? If they have been puppy bitten to bleed, do you
think they still dare to let their skin touch the dog's teeth? One thing I
don't agree with you is, you never live with them with the dog, how can you
critically think they are abusing it?

Maybe he chains the puppy in the backyard is coz he also wants the dog to be
outdoor, but he doesn't want the dog run away and someone took it, yet he
also doesn't want to fence the backyard, he loves the backyard open. And
then you fence the backyard, how can he not **** off. Why not he just lock
his dog in a crate, instead of letting the dog out letting you to see he is
abusing the dog, isn't it easier for him?

When I tried to train my puppy, I was scolded by my vet BADLY, saying I am
too soft to my puppy, he said I have to be strict maybe have to be a bit
cruel at the beginning, to discipline the puppy, letting it know who is the
master. Perhaps that puppy's owner is disciplining his dog in some sorts of
ways?

If you really think they are abusing the puppy, you should get them a puppy
trainer or someone with good puppy experience for a visit, to teach them how
to be a puppy owner and how to discipline the puppy properly. Who knows
what you are doing now is actually just spoiling the puppy and making it
even worse when it grows up?






"Anonymous Sender" wrote in message
acolo.com...
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

I guess I'm posting this because I need some help thinking it through.
Please read this carefully before you reply. I really don't need any
lame answers.

My neighbors bought a puppy, which they treat like a stick of furniture.
They never walk it, play with it, or give it any attention. They do
feed it, but I've had to remind them to do it.

I felt sorry for this adorable little puppy, whom everyone seems to
love as he is a real charmer. I feared that if I complained they
would simply drop the pet off at a shelter and it would be euthanized.

So, I started walking the dog, playing with it, buying it toys, helping
to feed it. I haven't gotten a dog myself because my lifestyle is
unstable, both ecomically and physically. I didn't want to subject a
dog to this, or myself. Now I am emotionally attached to this dog and
he is really so loveable.

The latest is that the landlord and others have been complaining about
the dog who barks at them and nips at their heels in a playful way.
He is not biting, but is a border collie and this is the way he tries to
get people to stop and pay attention to him.

The landlord and others egress their ajoining property through our
back yard. The owner of the dog has been keeping the dog chained and I
have been lengthening the chain, feeling sorry for the dog in the 100
degree plus heat. There is shade, but not much room to run around.

So, I have become the bad guy for letting the dog have a few more feet
to run around. It is illegal in our city to chain a dog outside.

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dajfkasdjfkdjfje9r9edanc adflkjaskdjf dkfjskdfj-edkfakfj sda flkjf
dlajkfe9-as=f=fsdafdlfjlkjfkl)

In response to our landlords complaining and threats about the dog, I
finally wrote him a check for $50 to buy materials for a section of fence
to complete a old fence that was partly taken out by him and partly
destroyed by another neighbors dog. I helped put in the fence which
a good day's work.

Now I see that the dog no longer has to be chained, but really has not
much more room to run about than he had before, but at least he has no
chain to get caught on things. I am however worried that he will

eventually
figure out a way to break out of the fencing.

Now the owner of the dog, the one who ignores him and TWICE I caught him
abusing the dog by playing rough with it to the extent that it shrieked
in pain-he now is careful to watch out for me, since he knows I despise
this kind of treatment. If I video taped it, I could have him criminally
charged for animal abuse.

Now the owner is pissed off at me for fencing our backyard for the dog.
I think it's because we didn't get his approval or he wants the backyard
to be open. He rarely, if ever uses it.

I am really tired of all this. I don't want to see the dog given up
to some shelter, but it is starting to cause me real problems that I
don't need. Plus it is getting to be expensive.

If anyone has any good ideas on how to deal with this situation, I'm
all ears. I would like to stay on good terms with this neighbor, but
it's getting difficult.



  #2  
Old July 18th 03, 02:34 AM
seagull
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"CM" wrote in message
ble.rogers.com...

I don't know how old is that puppy, but my vet and the pet store where I
bought mine from, forbidden me to walk my puppy before 4 months old

because
they said the puppy will catch fleas and other adult dogs' sickness.


That 's nonsense. If the pup is properly vaccinated, it can and should
start walks at around 9 weeks. This is essential for its socialisation. I
can't believe a so-called professional would tell you that. As for fleas,
pups are treated with anti-flea treatment.

rough with it twice? Did they not play with it or they just don't know

how?

From what I've read they just don't care.

As for feeding, the vet told me to feed a puppy once or twice or 3 times a
day is enough (I was amazed when he told me, ONCE??),


Im amazed too. In all my years of dog experience and research I have never
heard that. Pups need 3 small meals a day.

how can you
critically think they are abusing it?


If the situation is as the writer said, then it is clearly abuse.

Maybe he chains the puppy in the backyard is coz he also wants the dog to

be
outdoor,


Chaining is abuse. As Anonymous Sender said it is banned in his state. It
is also banned where I live. If he takes on the commitment of having a dog
and wants it to be outdoor, then he should be responsible enough to provide
it adequate shelter, fencing, and an area large enough for the dog's
comfort.

When I tried to train my puppy, I was scolded by my vet BADLY, saying I am
too soft to my puppy, he said I have to be strict maybe have to be a bit
cruel at the beginning,


Cruel? Are you serious? Is your vet serious? Again, I have never heard of
puppy training requiring cruelty -- firmness and love, yes. There is a HUGE
difference between firmness and cruelty.


If you really think they are abusing the puppy, you should get them a

puppy
trainer or someone with good puppy experience for a visit, to teach them

how
to be a puppy owner and how to discipline the puppy properly. Who knows
what you are doing now is actually just spoiling the puppy and making it
even worse when it grows up?


I think 1) you need to get a new vet. And 2) Learn all about dogs and
training .And love for animals. You don't seem to have any idea.

To the original writer:

Sadly I agree with most of the others, in that that pup needs to leave that
owner, and the owner reported to the authorities. If it goes to a pound
there is a chance (small I know) that it could be adopted by a loving
owners. The life it's leading right now is cruel and unnatural. You have
indeed done a lot to help it, but it will only a band-aid. As for the
owner, why on earth would you want to remain friendly with him?






"Anonymous Sender" wrote in message
acolo.com...
-----------------------------------------------------------------------

I guess I'm posting this because I need some help thinking it through.
Please read this carefully before you reply. I really don't need any
lame answers.

My neighbors bought a puppy, which they treat like a stick of

furniture.
They never walk it, play with it, or give it any attention. They do
feed it, but I've had to remind them to do it.

I felt sorry for this adorable little puppy, whom everyone seems to
love as he is a real charmer. I feared that if I complained they
would simply drop the pet off at a shelter and it would be euthanized.

So, I started walking the dog, playing with it, buying it toys, helping
to feed it. I haven't gotten a dog myself because my lifestyle is
unstable, both ecomically and physically. I didn't want to subject a
dog to this, or myself. Now I am emotionally attached to this dog and
he is really so loveable.

The latest is that the landlord and others have been complaining about
the dog who barks at them and nips at their heels in a playful way.
He is not biting, but is a border collie and this is the way he tries to
get people to stop and pay attention to him.

The landlord and others egress their ajoining property through our
back yard. The owner of the dog has been keeping the dog chained and I
have been lengthening the chain, feeling sorry for the dog in the 100
degree plus heat. There is shade, but not much room to run around.

So, I have become the bad guy for letting the dog have a few more feet
to run around. It is illegal in our city to chain a dog outside.

(anti-censor askldfjadkfjwe0raoerrjaksdjfklja;kdfjaksdjfkasdfjj kej
dajfkasdjfkdjfje9r9edanc adflkjaskdjf dkfjskdfj-edkfakfj sda flkjf
dlajkfe9-as=f=fsdafdlfjlkjfkl)

In response to our landlords complaining and threats about the dog, I
finally wrote him a check for $50 to buy materials for a section of

fence
to complete a old fence that was partly taken out by him and partly
destroyed by another neighbors dog. I helped put in the fence which
a good day's work.

Now I see that the dog no longer has to be chained, but really has not
much more room to run about than he had before, but at least he has no
chain to get caught on things. I am however worried that he will

eventually
figure out a way to break out of the fencing.

Now the owner of the dog, the one who ignores him and TWICE I caught him
abusing the dog by playing rough with it to the extent that it shrieked
in pain-he now is careful to watch out for me, since he knows I despise
this kind of treatment. If I video taped it, I could have him criminally
charged for animal abuse.

Now the owner is pissed off at me for fencing our backyard for the dog.
I think it's because we didn't get his approval or he wants the backyard
to be open. He rarely, if ever uses it.

I am really tired of all this. I don't want to see the dog given up
to some shelter, but it is starting to cause me real problems that I
don't need. Plus it is getting to be expensive.

If anyone has any good ideas on how to deal with this situation, I'm
all ears. I would like to stay on good terms with this neighbor, but
it's getting difficult.





  #3  
Old July 18th 03, 04:21 AM
CM
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First I don't think the pet store and the vet has any experience less than
you do. AND it's just an advice basing on the cases they deal with
everyday, it's up to any of us to take that advice seriously. You think
it's fine and it's OK! It's your dog. Different people raise different dogs
differently, I didn't say you are wrong, so don't you say my vet is wrong.

One thing very obvious that that guy didn't tell the "truth" is, First he
said the owner never play with the dog, Second he said the owner was caught
playing with the dog roughly twice. I don't see how "roughly" he did (I'll
save it until the tape is shown), But that means he still Did play with the
dog, then why is he saying the owner Never play with the dog? It really
gives me a discount on how accurate the story is.







"seagull" wrote in message
...

"CM" wrote in message
ble.rogers.com...

I don't know how old is that puppy, but my vet and the pet store where I
bought mine from, forbidden me to walk my puppy before 4 months old

because
they said the puppy will catch fleas and other adult dogs' sickness.


That 's nonsense. If the pup is properly vaccinated, it can and should
start walks at around 9 weeks. This is essential for its socialisation. I
can't believe a so-called professional would tell you that. As for fleas,
pups are treated with anti-flea treatment.

rough with it twice? Did they not play with it or they just don't know

how?

From what I've read they just don't care.

As for feeding, the vet told me to feed a puppy once or twice or 3 times

a
day is enough (I was amazed when he told me, ONCE??),


Im amazed too. In all my years of dog experience and research I have

never
heard that. Pups need 3 small meals a day.

how can you
critically think they are abusing it?


If the situation is as the writer said, then it is clearly abuse.

Maybe he chains the puppy in the backyard is coz he also wants the dog

to
be
outdoor,


Chaining is abuse. As Anonymous Sender said it is banned in his state.

It
is also banned where I live. If he takes on the commitment of having a dog
and wants it to be outdoor, then he should be responsible enough to

provide
it adequate shelter, fencing, and an area large enough for the dog's
comfort.

When I tried to train my puppy, I was scolded by my vet BADLY, saying I

am
too soft to my puppy, he said I have to be strict maybe have to be a bit
cruel at the beginning,


Cruel? Are you serious? Is your vet serious? Again, I have never heard

of
puppy training requiring cruelty -- firmness and love, yes. There is a

HUGE
difference between firmness and cruelty.


If you really think they are abusing the puppy, you should get them a

puppy
trainer or someone with good puppy experience for a visit, to teach them

how
to be a puppy owner and how to discipline the puppy properly. Who knows
what you are doing now is actually just spoiling the puppy and making it
even worse when it grows up?


I think 1) you need to get a new vet. And 2) Learn all about dogs and
training .And love for animals. You don't seem to have any idea.

To the original writer:

Sadly I agree with most of the others, in that that pup needs to leave

that
owner, and the owner reported to the authorities. If it goes to a pound
there is a chance (small I know) that it could be adopted by a loving
owners. The life it's leading right now is cruel and unnatural. You have
indeed done a lot to help it, but it will only a band-aid. As for the
owner, why on earth would you want to remain friendly with him?






"Anonymous Sender" wrote in message
acolo.com...

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

I guess I'm posting this because I need some help thinking it through.
Please read this carefully before you reply. I really don't need any
lame answers.

My neighbors bought a puppy, which they treat like a stick of

furniture.
They never walk it, play with it, or give it any attention. They do
feed it, but I've had to remind them to do it.

I felt sorry for this adorable little puppy, whom everyone seems to
love as he is a real charmer. I feared that if I complained they
would simply drop the pet off at a shelter and it would be euthanized.

So, I started walking the dog, playing with it, buying it toys,

helping
to feed it. I haven't gotten a dog myself because my lifestyle is
unstable, both ecomically and physically. I didn't want to subject a
dog to this, or myself. Now I am emotionally attached to this dog and
he is really so loveable.

The latest is that the landlord and others have been complaining about
the dog who barks at them and nips at their heels in a playful way.
He is not biting, but is a border collie and this is the way he tries

to
get people to stop and pay attention to him.

The landlord and others egress their ajoining property through our
back yard. The owner of the dog has been keeping the dog chained and I
have been lengthening the chain, feeling sorry for the dog in the 100
degree plus heat. There is shade, but not much room to run around.

So, I have become the bad guy for letting the dog have a few more feet
to run around. It is illegal in our city to chain a dog outside.

(anti-censor askldfjadkfjwe0raoerrjaksdjfklja;kdfjaksdjfkasdfjj kej
dajfkasdjfkdjfje9r9edanc adflkjaskdjf dkfjskdfj-edkfakfj sda flkjf
dlajkfe9-as=f=fsdafdlfjlkjfkl)

In response to our landlords complaining and threats about the dog, I
finally wrote him a check for $50 to buy materials for a section of

fence
to complete a old fence that was partly taken out by him and partly
destroyed by another neighbors dog. I helped put in the fence which
a good day's work.

Now I see that the dog no longer has to be chained, but really has not
much more room to run about than he had before, but at least he has no
chain to get caught on things. I am however worried that he will

eventually
figure out a way to break out of the fencing.

Now the owner of the dog, the one who ignores him and TWICE I caught

him
abusing the dog by playing rough with it to the extent that it

shrieked
in pain-he now is careful to watch out for me, since he knows I

despise
this kind of treatment. If I video taped it, I could have him

criminally
charged for animal abuse.

Now the owner is pissed off at me for fencing our backyard for the

dog.
I think it's because we didn't get his approval or he wants the

backyard
to be open. He rarely, if ever uses it.

I am really tired of all this. I don't want to see the dog given up
to some shelter, but it is starting to cause me real problems that I
don't need. Plus it is getting to be expensive.

If anyone has any good ideas on how to deal with this situation, I'm
all ears. I would like to stay on good terms with this neighbor, but
it's getting difficult.







 




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