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AKC DNA SCAM
Why would the AKC make you DNA the sire and not a dam??
Without the dam being DNA'ed you could use a non AKC dog and still register puppies. Just say they are the AKC's Dam's litter. I know that this is done out there. It is so easy to paper a non AKC dam AKC. Its all in who you know so, how can you all not think that AKC is a pile of crap too? For AKC not to be a scam registery they need to DNA both sire and dam. That is my 2 cents for today.....Darrel |
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On 23 Dec 2004 04:16:35 -0800 besmearrocks whittled these words:
Why would the AKC make you DNA the sire and not a dam?? Because it is obvious who the mother of a puppy is as it comes out the birth canal. That requirement does not apply to every sire, just those deemed "frequently used." Which means more than half a dozen times. Without the dam being DNA'ed you could use a non AKC dog and still register puppies. Anyone who believes the parentage of a puppy has been misrepresented can challenge it, and provided they are willing to pay if they are wrong, require a DNA test to prove parentage. There are many ways a breeder could be fraudulent if they choose. DNA testing won't stop a breeder from being dishonest, it just makes dishonesty easier to detect. Just say they are the AKC's Dam's litter. I know that this is done out there. It is so easy to paper a non AKC dam AKC. Its all in who you know so, how can you all not think that AKC is a pile of crap too? I believe that AKC could do more, but I'm pleased that the steps they have taken to make it even one bit easier to detect fraud has sent bad breeders scurrying off to registries that don't even try that hard. For AKC not to be a scam registery they need to DNA both sire and dam. That is my 2 cents for today.....Darrel They aren't perfect, but they are a darned site better than registries that don't care what is in the pedigree. Some registries, e.g. Continental Kennel Club, will allow registrations without any information at all on what is in the pedigree. A little less hyperboyle and a little more factual consideration might help you analyze the situation more realistically. -- Diane Blackman http://dog-play.com/ http://dogplay.com/Shop/ |
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"besmearrocks" wrote in message oups.com... Why would the AKC make you DNA the sire and not a dam?? The DNA requirement is only for certain dogs. I believe it is 7 litters, or more than 3 in a year. Bitches rarely have those quantity of litters. However, many do believe DNA testing of bitches is in the works. Without the dam being DNA'ed you could use a non AKC dog and still register puppies. Just say they are the AKC's Dam's litter. I know that this is done out there. It is so easy to paper a non AKC dam AKC. Well, cheating and lying is only easy for cheaters and liars. Anyone with those kind of ethics probably won't bother with the AKC anyway, since there are so many paper mills offering to register anything inexpensively. Its all in who you know so, how can you all not think that AKC is a pile of crap too? Because it isn't - how can the registry be responsible if some users are unethical? If a used car salesman rolls back the odometer and sells you a car with 100,000 miles as having 40,000 miles, does that mean the DMV is a pile of crap?? For AKC not to be a scam registery they need to DNA both sire and dam. That is my 2 cents for today.....Darrel It wasn't worth the money, Darrel. Christy |
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"besmearrocks" wrote in message oups.com... Why would the AKC make you DNA the sire and not a dam?? Because most studs produce more puppies than most bitches. Without the dam being DNA'ed you could use a non AKC dog and still register puppies. Just say they are the AKC's Dam's litter. You can do it with the stud, too. Just this way the AKC has his DNA profile so if a question comes up after the stud has disappeared (died, been sold overseas, etc.) they still have the stud's DNA. They don't test all puppies produced against the DNA profile, it is only there if there is a question of parentage. Bitches are not (yet) required to be DNA profiled, as it would not be as much of a shock to the gene pool if all of a bitch's offspring were removed from the studbook--but consider a stud that produces 2 litters a week thoughout his peak (generally 2-4 years), that's thousands of puppies. They'd rather have to test them all then remove them all from the studbook. I know that this is done out there. It is so easy to paper a non AKC dam AKC. Well it's easy enough to add another dog to any given litter registration, it's all on the honor system. Its all in who you know so, how can you all not think that AKC is a pile of crap too? Because they're the only major registry in the United States to require ANY DNA profiles whatsoever. -- Emily Carroll http://www.fluttervale.com/kennel - Fluttervale Labradors http://www.fluttervale.com/biography - Canine Biography |
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Emily Carroll/Fluttervale wrote:
Because they're the only major registry in the United States to require ANY DNA profiles whatsoever. Well.... I think they're the only ones to have clear-cut policies on when profiling is required. But also take note of this: "Mandatory DNA Profiling. While the DNA program is offered to U.K.C. customers as a voluntary option, United Kennel Club, Inc. reserves the right to require any dog or dogs to be profiled pursuant to the maintenance of the integrity of U.K.C. records. A person who refuses to consent to profiling of a dog over which he/she has legal control may be barred from all United Kennel Club privileges." (Source: http://www.ukcdogs.com/rg/r-4.shtml) I think it's likely that AKC is moving towards a system in which DNA profiling is mandatory for all dogs, just as they are moving towards requiring permanent ID for all dogs. However creating a system to handle hundreds of thousands of DNA records per year is not a trivial task - therefore the initial emphasis on profiling the dogs that produce the most puppies, i.e. the popular sires. Makes sense to me. JFWIW, Dianne |
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diannes wrote: I think it's likely that AKC is moving towards a system in which DNA profiling is mandatory for all dogs, just as they are moving towards requiring permanent ID for all dogs. However creating a system to handle hundreds of thousands of DNA records per year is not a trivial task - therefore the initial emphasis on profiling the dogs that produce the most puppies, i.e. the popular sires. Makes sense to me. JFWIW, Dianne What really sucks, though, is that despite the fact that the AKC and UKC use the exact same company for DNA VIP the AKC will not accept the profile if it was sent into UKC first. UKC on the other hand will accept a profile if it's been sent to AKC first. Similar things have happened with FCI registered dogs whose papers were sent to UKC before AKC-- AKC wouldn't register the dog since it was already registered with a competitor. -Amanda BIMBS CH. Cat's Cradle's Beaufort, CGC Lucy Anna Skye, MB-CD, CGC http://www.uberpest.com |
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Actually,
If the AKC gets information that you are selling pups that are not what you say, ie mom is a non papered dog that you are breeding along side the papered one, they come in and DNA test ALL of your dogs. The AKC has the highest standards as far as registry goes. They are the only ones I know of who will investigate reports of this kind, the others just look away. There is nothing stopping you from DNAing your bitches. If you want it done, have the vet swap the girl and send it in with your $40. No big deal. Posted Via Usenet.com Premium Usenet Newsgroup Services ---------------------------------------------------------- ** SPEED ** RETENTION ** COMPLETION ** ANONYMITY ** ---------------------------------------------------------- http://www.usenet.com |
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Rocky wrote: said in rec.pets.dogs.breeds: The AKC has the highest standards as far as registry goes. If, by "highest standards", you're confining your opinion to only USA-based multi-breed registries. Outside of that small context, there are registries with higher -- and more strictly enforced -- standards. Yep. The Canadian Kennel Club being one. However, there are far fewer dogs to actually register in Canada than the U.S. There are a set of registries which are legit, and a set which are not. The legit ones tend to be pretty major and national, such as the Canadian Kennel Club, AKC, UKC, the British KC, and FCI. Then there are the scam ones such as the ACA, ConKC, etc. They don't require any sort of proof of parentage before registering a dog and are extensively used by mills and others wanting to make a fast buck. But it's a mistake saying or even thinking that AKC is the only good game in town... |
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I did mean in the US. and yes AKC will show up, I know a breeder it
happened to, all checked out, but they came and tested all of the dogs because of a report they got that the males were not the fathers and mothers were not correct. She actually keeps excellect records and they came in, checked microchips, and tested them. All was well so no action was taken. So, I am sorry I didn't think "outside the box", you know us Americans, we never realize we are not the only ones on lists, lol |
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