If this is your first visit, be sure to check out the FAQ by clicking the link above. You may have to register before you can post: click the register link above to proceed. To start viewing messages, select the forum that you want to visit from the selection below. |
|
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
#1
|
|||
|
|||
Handsome Jack!
Could you recommend some good hunting books for a newbie to read? Someone I know has a field bred lab puppy and wants to hunt with her. She's..10.5 weeks, I believe. Also, if you have any ideas on who he can train with in Iowa (lives in Cedar Falls, closest big city is Waterloo) could you let me know? I appreciate it. Natalie rigertas @ gauss dot math dot luc dot edu -- What fresh hell is this? --- Dorothy Parker |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
Natalie Rigertas wrote in
: Could you recommend some good hunting books for a newbie to read? Someone I know has a field bred lab puppy and wants to hunt with her. She's..10.5 weeks, I believe. Also, if you have any ideas on who he can train with in Iowa (lives in Cedar Falls, closest big city is Waterloo) could you let me know? I'm not HJM and can't help you with trainers in the Midwest, but I strongly recommend Amy and John Dahl's "10-Minute Retriever." It will give your friend a strong basis for starting the pup and getting ready for hunting and junior stakes. -- Kate and Storm the FCR |
#3
|
|||
|
|||
Jack-
I don't know if you ever see the comics, but there's a great "Rhymes With Orange" by Hillary Price today called "The Lab Encounter Flow Chart" that made me think of you today. http://www.rhymeswithorange.com/ has the comics two weeks behind what's in the paper. I'd post more about it, but don't want to infringe on the copyright. Needless to say, it starts with "sniff something", moves to "is it edible?" and goes from there. |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
From: KWBrown
Date: 21 Jan 2005 19:33:22 GMT Subject: Handsome Jack! I'm not HJM BUT YOU ARE a lying dog abusing coward like your pal tommy. and can't help you with trainers in the Midwest, Neither can tommy on accHOWENT of he can't compromise his ANONYMITY. but I strongly recommend Amy and John Dahl's You mean lying frosty and her DUMMY DH john "STICK MAN" dahl. They're lying dog abusing cowards. "10-Minute Retriever." professor SCRUFF SHAKE recommended them, too. It will give your friend a strong basis for starting the pup Like HOWE it done for you and your own DEAD DOG Teena. and getting ready for hunting and junior stakes. Like HOWE susan fraser's BREED LEASE SHOW PUPPY done. Seems your pal tommy has advised all the owners of dead and useless dogs on HOWER forums. He heelped laura arlov with her DEAD DOG Chewie and Robert Crim's DEAD DOG Fritz, steve walker's DEAD DOG Sampson, tommy's heelped LOTS of DEAD DOGS. But we was talkin abHOWET lying frosty and john "STICK MAN" dahl and HOWE they beat shock choke intimidate and murder dogs and lie abHOWET it. -- Kate and Storm the FCR There's a REASON decent people do not post here abHOWETS: Paxil Princess psychoclown wrote: "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." lying frosty dahl says: "To me, training a dog without using intimidation, confrontation, or punishment is, indeed, everything. I certainly reject "force" as Marilyn defines it. And "fear" can be included under the category of intimidation. Not a one of these is constructive in the training of a dog; all are bad for the dog/handler relationship, the dog's confidence, the dog's ultimate potential, etc. But I do make use of tools and methods which I believe to cause physical discomfort, including electric collars, pinch collars, chain collars, switches, and the ear pinch. I just don't equate the reaction with the tool/method--I look at the dog to know its reaction. I think that is what some people don't do: they are so full of surmises about what causes what, that they never bother to regard the dog as the authority. I don't beat dogs, twist ears, or pinch toes. For the benefit of anyone who is in doubt, and who chooses not to read the article (SHE'D REALLY LIKE IT IF YOU DON'T READ IT!), there is NO mention in it of "twisting ears (INDEED, SHE PINCHES THEM WITH SPIKES). I would never slap a dog (SHE TEACHES PEOPLE TO BEAT DOGS WITH STICKS TO MOTIVATE THEM). I would never advise anyone to slap a dog (SHE'S A PROVEN LIAR AND DOG ABUSER, do you expect her to ADMIT THE TRUTH???). I do not believe there is a single circumstance, ever, where slapping a dog is anything but destructive." RIGHT. She PINCHES, not twists... and chin cuff doesn't mean hit, it means slap. amy lyingfrosty dahl continues: "On the other extreme, the really hard dogs we have trained require much more frequent and heavy application of pressure (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done, This is continued resistance to your increasing authority, and the job is not done until it is overcome Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply. With your hand on the collar and ear, say, 'fetch.' Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick. Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy. Repeat, varying how hard you hit the dog, Now you are ready to progress to what most people think of as force-fetching: the ear pinch. Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance. but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb; even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that Say "fetch" while pressing the dummy against its lips and pinching its ear. if the dog still does not open its mouth, get out the shotshell. Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in" Here's lying frosty dahl BEATING A DOG to TRAIN IT: Borrowed from: "Puppy Raising Tips" from professional trainers, John and Amy Dahl. "Around four months many puppies can withstand a correction. Unfortunately this is the time they start teething and if their mouth hurts, they may act generally sensitive. If this is the case, be patient and wait for all those baby teeth to fall out. In training, retrievers often respond to physical correction better than verbal correction. While "NO!" is extremely useful if puppy is about to bite an electrical cord or steal food off the table, when you are teaching them something (like obedience) a sharp jerk on their lead or swat with a stick gets the message across with less emotion and less effect on their confidence. If they drop the dummy and act like their mouth hurts when they are teething, stop all retrieving and wait for their mouth to feel better. A correction should be just severe enough to get the dog to respond. Repeated weak corrections are very stressful to the dog." ===================== Amy Dahl writes: "From where I sit, there is a difference. I haven't noticed any of the contingent who like Koehler trying to force their method on everyone, or calling others names because they do not use the method. I personally believe the Koehler method is a more humane way of teaching than any alternative I have studied. And I am not averse to learning--I have studied a number of methods. Koehler, of course, stops far short of the specialized work I do with retrievers, and some of the things in his book, such as making the dog walk behind the handler on the "finish," are inappropriate for retriever work. Why do I think Koehler's method is more humane than others? First, I don't believe "corrections vs. no corrections" is as significant to dogs as it is to people. Applied correctly, Koehler's method uses *no* intimidation, fear, or emotional manipulation. It is clear and definite, and the handler's actions are always predictable. The method is masterfully designed to prevent confrontation or vying for control in any way. It places high demands of responsibility on the trainer, and takes a great deal of commitment to do correctly, so it is not for the casual "dabbler." When done well,very few corrections are needed. In brief, I think the clarity, predictability, and absence of emotional blackmail weigh more strongly in the method's favor, than the occasional brief unpleasantness of correction weighs against it." lying frosty dahl. You want MOORE INSANE? WE GOT PLENTY!: MOTHER AND CHILD REUNION "KUCKOO!! CUCKOO!!!" MOTHER (LOIS E.) 22 YEARS on TRICYCLICS, DAUGHTER BIPOLAR... YOU DO THE MATH "What's really terrific, is now days you can say proudly, 'I take anti-depressives'" ----------------------------- -------- From: Gary & lois Edwards ) Subject: Where is Darlene? Date: 1999/09/02 BEEN ON TRICYCLICS FOR ABOUT 22 YEARS "I don't take lithium, but I've been on trycyclics for about 22 years. Been there, done that, have the t-shirt to prove it. What's really terrific, is now days you can say proudly, "I take anti-depressives". Back when I started taking them it was seen as something shameful. If you cut your leg off, and were lying there with a bleeding stump, you'd never let the word depressed, pass your lips, or the doc's would say, "You're depressed, on medication? Well, can't have any pain meds.....you could become addicted." The good old days. I actually had a Great Aunt who's father locked her in her room back in the twenties because she was simple. A shame that medication probably would have helped her live a normal life. No Denna, I was just saying with Darlene's personality, she has a way of making grandiose plans when at the top of her manic cycle....as does my daughter. I wasn't saying that anyone with problems could be counted on to be irresponsible." Lois E. ------------------------------------- |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
BWEEEEEEEAAAHAHHAHHAAAA!!!
|
#6
|
|||
|
|||
|
#7
|
|||
|
|||
Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:
PS: Natalie, you also might want to have him ask his dog's *breeder* for names, too. That was the first thing I did. He had bought the dog from someone who hunts, the dogs have health tests (at least OFA on hips), but the person mostly hunts with friends and they train their own dogs. He said it was a "farmer type" guy he got his pup from. So his breeder doesn't really have anyone to recommend. The good thing is the guy realizes that he should have looked longer and harder for a pup, and will next time. natalie -- What fresh hell is this? --- Dorothy Parker |
#8
|
|||
|
|||
On 2005-01-22 09:40:10 -0500, Handsome Jack Morrison
said: On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 04:30:27 GMT, montana wildhack wrote: Jack- I don't know if you ever see the comics, but there's a great "Rhymes With Orange" by Hillary Price today called "The Lab Encounter Flow Chart" that made me think of you today. http://www.rhymeswithorange.com/ has the comics two weeks behind what's in the paper. I'd post more about it, but don't want to infringe on the copyright. Needless to say, it starts with "sniff something", moves to "is it edible?" and goes from there. Sorry, Montana, but I couldn't find that particular one. It's not polite to tease people. sniff sniff Sorry- I didn't know whether it was in your local paper. It will be on the web site in two weeks (I'll try to remember).) |
#9
|
|||
|
|||
On 2005-01-22 09:54:50 -0500, Handsome Jack Morrison
said: But I *am* holding you personally responsible for me eventually somehow getting to see it. How's that for pressure? No pressure. I put a note on my calendar to post the link when it comes online. |
#10
|
|||
|
|||
Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:
Here's hoping that he doesn't need to look for another, say, 15 years. If the pup has some decent field lines, and gets some reasonably decent training, and he has a little luck, that's very possible. Thanks Jack. We were talking last night, and he was saying, there aren't any groups in this state at all. None. I told him I didn't believe him and he just hasn't found any yet. Then he did fine one from one of the links you gave. heh. natalie -- What fresh hell is this? --- Dorothy Parker |
|
Thread Tools | |
Display Modes | |
|
|