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Old January 28th 05, 12:53 AM
Janet B
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What is it with people thinking harnesses are a great tool for walking
a dog? I can see using them for various physical maladies, but why
would anyone want to go to the trouble to put one on a dog, when it's
such an ineffective tool?

I had 3 new clients in a row on Tuesday. Each one of them had a dog
aggressive dog (one was people aggressive as well). Each one was
being walked on a harness. And these people wondered why they had
trouble controlling their dogs' behavior?

Fortunately, all of them were open to other tools and the dogs
responded wonderfully. It was just weird to have 3 harness users in
one day.

Janet B
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Old January 28th 05, 01:01 AM
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 18:53:54 -0500, Janet B
wrote:

What is it with people thinking harnesses are a great tool for walking
a dog? I can see using them for various physical maladies, but why
would anyone want to go to the trouble to put one on a dog, when it's
such an ineffective tool?

I had 3 new clients in a row on Tuesday. Each one of them had a dog
aggressive dog (one was people aggressive as well). Each one was
being walked on a harness. And these people wondered why they had
trouble controlling their dogs' behavior?


Ok, I'll bite: what is the connection between harness usage and
aggression? If it was one of those over-the-snout whatchamacallits I
could see it, but a simple harness?

Lee
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Old January 28th 05, 01:02 AM
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"Janet B" wrote in message
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What is it with people thinking harnesses are a great tool for walking
a dog? I can see using them for various physical maladies, but why
would anyone want to go to the trouble to put one on a dog, when it's
such an ineffective tool?


i think they might work for some toy breeds, but yeah, on a big dog they
just seem dumb.

when i was a dumb noob dog owner, i bought one for Lola (when she was 3
months old and under 20 pounds), thinking it would keep her from choking on
her collar. it took about 10 minutes to realize it just gave her more
leverage to pull. you'd be amazed at how hard a three month old pit bull
can pull!

-kelly


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Old January 28th 05, 01:13 AM
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Janet B wrote:
What is it with people thinking harnesses are a great tool for walking
a dog?


I use a harness on Khan. It started with the use of one of those
no-pull harnesses (ones that don't work) while teaching him to loose
leash walk. I liked how it fit him, and didn't put any strain on his
neck, so continued to use it, even after he learned to loose-leash walk.
After that one died, I got a new harness. Oh, and I like having a
"handle" for my dog, BTW. Not that I'd be very effective at toting him
about.

For some reason, people don't seem to realize that pulling is a whole
lot more effective when the dog can put its shoulder into it. Wouldn't
recommend it for dogs that don't know how to walk properly on a leash,
but otherwise see no harm in it.

Suja
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Old January 28th 05, 01:16 AM
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"Lee DeRaud" wrote in message
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Ok, I'll bite: what is the connection between harness usage and
aggression? If it was one of those over-the-snout whatchamacallits I
could see it, but a simple harness?


the harness makes it easier for the dog to pull, to lunge, and to get out of
the owner's control.

i don't see how a halti would be a problem with aggression, though.

-kelly


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Old January 28th 05, 01:26 AM
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On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 16:16:18 -0800, "culprit"
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"Lee DeRaud" wrote in message
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Ok, I'll bite: what is the connection between harness usage and
aggression? If it was one of those over-the-snout whatchamacallits I
could see it, but a simple harness?


the harness makes it easier for the dog to pull, to lunge, and to get out of
the owner's control.


Oh, ok, as in "makes it easier for an aggressive dog to *act*
aggressive". I was reading it as "the halter *made* the dogs
aggressive". Chicken and egg.

i don't see how a halti would be a problem with aggression, though.


No, I meant the use of one of those might signify that the owner knows
the dog is aggressive and is using the Halti to (try to) control it.
(I have no opinion one way or the other on how effective that is.)

Lee
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Old January 28th 05, 01:37 AM
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when i was a dumb noob dog owner, i bought one for Lola (when she was 3
months old and under 20 pounds), thinking it would keep her from choking on
her collar. it took about 10 minutes to realize it just gave her more
leverage to pull. you'd be amazed at how hard a three month old pit bull
can pull!

-kelly


exactly. it doesn't cause aggression, it just enables it (or pulling or
lunging). It just so happens that these people were using a totally NON
CORRECTIVE tool to walk their dogs, and the dogs' behavior was escalating and
never getting curbed. 3 slip collars and one prong later (large dog, infirm
owner, slip and prong combo), and the dogs are paying attention!


Janet Boss
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Old January 28th 05, 05:11 AM
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"Leah" wrote in message
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No I wouldn't. I've had enough of 'em in classes to find out for myself.
:}

You're not in the market for another pit mix, are you? Man, I want to get
this
guy next door a good home. I'll even drive him to you. :}


no way, not until my two are a bit more grown up.

some lady at the grocery store heard my friend and i talking about dogs and
tried to give me a pit bull she had found. it's like i have a huge sign on
my head that says, "sucker for pit bulls in need!"

*sigh*

i wish i could help them all.

-kelly


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Old January 28th 05, 06:23 AM
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"Janet B" wrote
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What is it with people thinking harnesses are a great tool for walking
a dog?


Harnesses aren't the problem. People not training their dogs to walk
politely on a leash is the problem. Harnesses are not effective training
tools but they're perfectly fine for dogs that are trained. I walk all of my
dogs on harnesses and have no trouble at all. I started with them when Shane
chipped his Atlas bone and haven't been sorry.

Andrea Stone
Saorsa Basenjis


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Old January 28th 05, 12:54 PM
Melinda Shore
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In article Z_jKd.4867$SP4.727@trnddc07,
AndreaS wrote:
Harnesses aren't the problem. People not training their
dogs to walk politely on a leash is the problem. Harnesses
are not effective training tools but they're perfectly fine
for dogs that are trained.


My guys are a special case, at least around here, but
they're certainly harness-trained - they know that when
they're on a collar they're to behave like ladies and
gentlemen (except for Cinder, who's still not properly
leash-trained I'm embarrassed to say) and when they're in
harness to pull like trains.

Is it possible that the harness advocates somehow confused
anti-pull harnesses with walking harnesses?
--
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