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Old January 29th 05, 07:14 PM
Tiger Lily
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oh he's gorgeous!!!!
need more pictures now :-)

what a beautiful Belgian!!!

kate
(former Belgian owner)

"Shelly & The Boys" wrote in message
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Okay, I finished filing our taxes, so now I can play a bit! whew

The weather's been crappy (except the one day I ended up
working late), so no new photos.

http://www.geocities.com/shellybrosn...ed_photos.html

I'd love to hear, and then give my opinion as well.
Shelly & The Boys

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"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and
expecting different results." --Benjamin Franklin




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Old January 29th 05, 07:18 PM
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Okay, I finished filing our taxes, so now I can play a bit! whew

The weather's been crappy (except the one day I ended up
working late), so no new photos.

http://www.geocities.com/shellybrosn...ed_photos.html

I'd love to hear, and then give my opinion as well.
Shelly & The Boys

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"The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and
expecting different results." --Benjamin Franklin


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Old January 29th 05, 07:28 PM
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Shelly & The Boys wrote:
Okay, I finished filing our taxes, so now I can play a bit! whew

The weather's been crappy (except the one day I ended up
working late), so no new photos.

http://www.geocities.com/shellybrosn...ed_photos.html

I'd love to hear, and then give my opinion as well.
Shelly & The Boys


Okay, remember this is "grain of salt" stuff.

Overall I like him. He has a nice head and a short loin, all good
things. His body appears balanced, nothing terribly out of whack. You've
already said that he is now more filled out in the brisket--in this
photo he's a bit shallow there. He looks in this photo like he might be
slightly ewe necked, which would actually fit with his shoulder
construction. Not a major fault, but it's there. I'd rather see that
than a really short neck, which I see a lot on this breed. His neck
appears to be proportional to his body. A huge plus, because I've
decided one really major factor in dogs who jump badly is a short
straight neck. A long straight neck (or even slight ewe neck) is
preferable to a short one!

Like many belgians he has a straight shoulder. His entire front is
straight, but it does balance his rear pretty well. A bit short in upper
arm, but many show-bred dogs are, regardless of breed. Good pasterns,
nice tight feet. He's long in hock, perhaps has a bit of a low tail set
(?, don't know what the breed standard says on that). Good turn of
stifle but a bit short in second thigh (bone from stifle to hock) which
is why his hocks look a bit long.

If I was stacking this dog, I'd allow his head to come forward just
another inch or so, to prevent the look of the slight ewe neck. How does
he move? I'd expect him to be fairly efficient with adequate, but not
tremendous, reach and drive. I'd also expect perhaps a bit of elbow
movement in the front, but maybe not, his upper arm isn't that bad.

LOVE the plaid pants, that's Best In Show right there!

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Old January 29th 05, 08:15 PM
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Okay, remember this is "grain of salt" stuff.

Overall I like him. He has a nice head and a short loin, all good
things. His body appears balanced, nothing terribly out of whack. You've

already said that he is now more filled out in the brisket--in this
photo he's a bit shallow there.


Yes, he's more filled, plus in that photo he was still a bit bare coat-wise
because of his neuter surgery (rather extensive). He has more tuck-up
than I'd like to see in my next dog. BUT, I'd rather see a little too much
than none at all. He's got a beautiful head, if you prefer the more
European type. Lovely dark, well-shaped eye, tight mouth, nice
cheek & good muzzle to backskull proportions. His ears...well,
they have lovely placement, but they're kind of bigger than I'd like
on my next dog. I certainly don't like the teeny-tiny ears I've seen
on some, but a nice in-between would be good.

He looks in this photo like he might be
slightly ewe necked, which would actually fit with his shoulder
construction. Not a major fault, but it's there. I'd rather see that
than a really short neck, which I see a lot on this breed. His neck
appears to be proportional to his body. A huge plus, because I've
decided one really major factor in dogs who jump badly is a short
straight neck. A long straight neck (or even slight ewe neck) is
preferable to a short one!


He's not ewe-necked, actually his neck is one of his best features.
I think much of it is the (incompetent) way I've got him stacked...
Short necks/straight shoulders/too-short of backs is something
I really dislike, really compromises the movement.

Like many belgians he has a straight shoulder. His entire front is
straight, but it does balance his rear pretty well. A bit short in upper
arm, but many show-bred dogs are, regardless of breed.


Agreed, his shoulder isn't bad, but I'd love to see a bit more angulation
to it. Like I said, straight shoulders are something that most of the
breeders I know are always trying to get away from.

Good pasterns,
nice tight feet. He's long in hock, perhaps has a bit of a low tail set
(?, don't know what the breed standard says on that). Good turn of
stifle but a bit short in second thigh (bone from stifle to hock) which
is why his hocks look a bit long.


I think you're right! I've always thought there was just "something"
about his rear leg assembly that was nice, but could be improved
upon. He's got a nice balanced rear (good muscling inner & outer thigh),
and his tail set is okay. Possibly a tad low, but I think it may be
the way he's holding it in the photo as well. He carries it out nicely
when gaiting, even to topline. "Gay tails" bug the hell out of me...
Nice, firm hocks though, no slipping. Coda has a slipped hock,
not surprisingly, on the same leg that is dysplastic.


If I was stacking this dog, I'd allow his head to come forward just
another inch or so, to prevent the look of the slight ewe neck.


Exactly. I've gotten MUCH better at stacking since then, especially
where Belgians are concerned. Bring that neck up, head pointing
a bit more downward to accentuate arch of neck. In Belgians, one
of the most important things to strive for is creating the proper
sillouhette,
topline, neck-arch. Legs set squarely to not over-extend or shorten
the body.

How does he move? I'd expect him to be fairly efficient with adequate,
but not tremendous, reach and drive. I'd also expect perhaps a bit of
elbow movement in the front, but maybe not, his upper arm isn't that bad.


He moves well, looks nice from the side, could be a bit better
coming (you're right on w/ the elbows), but is fine in the rear, I'd like
to see a bit more power back there, but not too much because I think
it would throw off the balance.
Definitely could use more reach, but I'd say that for well over half of
the Sheepdogs I've seen gait...closer to nearly all, but not quite.
His mother is one of the nicest all around movers I've seen, but even
she could have a bit more reach (she was the BSD at Euk this year).
I can't recall his father...and I've actually seen him in person (I'm
guessing it was nothing spectacular, or I'd have remembered).

LOVE the plaid pants, that's Best In Show right there!


I entered the conformation handling on a fluke. I went to the match
for Obedience & Rally, ended up coming home with a Herding Group 2
(over a couple of other Sheepdogs, and representatives from most
of the herding group).*
I didn't expect to have my photo taken! laugh
*The club doed puppy classes & adult classes, which included
Veterans & "Anything Goes" (neutered/spayed).

Overall, I simply adore this dog, but I've also learned to look at him as a
template for my next Belgian. Keep this...tweak this...a little here &
there. I'm lucky enough to have several friends who are judges,
and longtime breed fanciers who've reaffirmed my thoughts that he
is a really nice dog. As a first-time puppy buyer, I think I did okay. :-)
Thanks for your imput!
Shelly & The Boys


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Old January 29th 05, 08:23 PM
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Let me revise that a bit...

Bring that neck up, head pointing
a bit more downward to accentuate arch of neck. In Belgians, one
of the most important things to strive for is creating the proper
sillouhette


When stacking your dog in front of the judge,
it's one of of the most important things to strive for...

(Not to discredit movement, type, balance, temperament as an
overall picture for a breeding program...)
Shelly & The Boys


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Old January 31st 05, 04:04 PM
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"Shelly & The Boys" wrote in
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http://www.geocities.com/shellybrosn...ed_photos.html


I know nothing about conformation, but everytime I see a picture of Bodhi I
am struck with how incredibly handsome he is!

--Catherine
and her house full of black dogs, Zoe and Queenie
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Old February 1st 05, 02:31 AM
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"ceb" wrote in message
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"Shelly & The Boys" wrote in
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http://www.geocities.com/shellybrosn...ed_photos.html


I know nothing about conformation, but everytime I see a picture of Bodhi

I
am struck with how incredibly handsome he is!


Thanks...he's a pretty well-put-together dog, and I adore him.
Plus...his photos do nothing for what he's like in person. He's
such a nice tempered dog that most people really like him.
He's a "wormer"--worms his pointy-nosed way into your heart. :-)
Shelly & The Boys


 




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