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oh he's gorgeous!!!!
need more pictures now :-) what a beautiful Belgian!!! kate (former Belgian owner) "Shelly & The Boys" wrote in message ... Okay, I finished filing our taxes, so now I can play a bit! whew The weather's been crappy (except the one day I ended up working late), so no new photos. http://www.geocities.com/shellybrosn...ed_photos.html I'd love to hear, and then give my opinion as well. Shelly & The Boys -- "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." --Benjamin Franklin |
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I'll Start...photo evals (Ping Robin N)
Okay, I finished filing our taxes, so now I can play a bit! whew
The weather's been crappy (except the one day I ended up working late), so no new photos. http://www.geocities.com/shellybrosn...ed_photos.html I'd love to hear, and then give my opinion as well. Shelly & The Boys -- "The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." --Benjamin Franklin |
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Shelly & The Boys wrote: Okay, I finished filing our taxes, so now I can play a bit! whew The weather's been crappy (except the one day I ended up working late), so no new photos. http://www.geocities.com/shellybrosn...ed_photos.html I'd love to hear, and then give my opinion as well. Shelly & The Boys Okay, remember this is "grain of salt" stuff. Overall I like him. He has a nice head and a short loin, all good things. His body appears balanced, nothing terribly out of whack. You've already said that he is now more filled out in the brisket--in this photo he's a bit shallow there. He looks in this photo like he might be slightly ewe necked, which would actually fit with his shoulder construction. Not a major fault, but it's there. I'd rather see that than a really short neck, which I see a lot on this breed. His neck appears to be proportional to his body. A huge plus, because I've decided one really major factor in dogs who jump badly is a short straight neck. A long straight neck (or even slight ewe neck) is preferable to a short one! Like many belgians he has a straight shoulder. His entire front is straight, but it does balance his rear pretty well. A bit short in upper arm, but many show-bred dogs are, regardless of breed. Good pasterns, nice tight feet. He's long in hock, perhaps has a bit of a low tail set (?, don't know what the breed standard says on that). Good turn of stifle but a bit short in second thigh (bone from stifle to hock) which is why his hocks look a bit long. If I was stacking this dog, I'd allow his head to come forward just another inch or so, to prevent the look of the slight ewe neck. How does he move? I'd expect him to be fairly efficient with adequate, but not tremendous, reach and drive. I'd also expect perhaps a bit of elbow movement in the front, but maybe not, his upper arm isn't that bad. LOVE the plaid pants, that's Best In Show right there! |
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"Robin Nuttall" wrote in message news:BBQKd.34932$IV5.32835@attbi_s54... http://www.geocities.com/shellybrosn...ed_photos.html Okay, remember this is "grain of salt" stuff. Overall I like him. He has a nice head and a short loin, all good things. His body appears balanced, nothing terribly out of whack. You've already said that he is now more filled out in the brisket--in this photo he's a bit shallow there. Yes, he's more filled, plus in that photo he was still a bit bare coat-wise because of his neuter surgery (rather extensive). He has more tuck-up than I'd like to see in my next dog. BUT, I'd rather see a little too much than none at all. He's got a beautiful head, if you prefer the more European type. Lovely dark, well-shaped eye, tight mouth, nice cheek & good muzzle to backskull proportions. His ears...well, they have lovely placement, but they're kind of bigger than I'd like on my next dog. I certainly don't like the teeny-tiny ears I've seen on some, but a nice in-between would be good. He looks in this photo like he might be slightly ewe necked, which would actually fit with his shoulder construction. Not a major fault, but it's there. I'd rather see that than a really short neck, which I see a lot on this breed. His neck appears to be proportional to his body. A huge plus, because I've decided one really major factor in dogs who jump badly is a short straight neck. A long straight neck (or even slight ewe neck) is preferable to a short one! He's not ewe-necked, actually his neck is one of his best features. I think much of it is the (incompetent) way I've got him stacked... Short necks/straight shoulders/too-short of backs is something I really dislike, really compromises the movement. Like many belgians he has a straight shoulder. His entire front is straight, but it does balance his rear pretty well. A bit short in upper arm, but many show-bred dogs are, regardless of breed. Agreed, his shoulder isn't bad, but I'd love to see a bit more angulation to it. Like I said, straight shoulders are something that most of the breeders I know are always trying to get away from. Good pasterns, nice tight feet. He's long in hock, perhaps has a bit of a low tail set (?, don't know what the breed standard says on that). Good turn of stifle but a bit short in second thigh (bone from stifle to hock) which is why his hocks look a bit long. I think you're right! I've always thought there was just "something" about his rear leg assembly that was nice, but could be improved upon. He's got a nice balanced rear (good muscling inner & outer thigh), and his tail set is okay. Possibly a tad low, but I think it may be the way he's holding it in the photo as well. He carries it out nicely when gaiting, even to topline. "Gay tails" bug the hell out of me... Nice, firm hocks though, no slipping. Coda has a slipped hock, not surprisingly, on the same leg that is dysplastic. If I was stacking this dog, I'd allow his head to come forward just another inch or so, to prevent the look of the slight ewe neck. Exactly. I've gotten MUCH better at stacking since then, especially where Belgians are concerned. Bring that neck up, head pointing a bit more downward to accentuate arch of neck. In Belgians, one of the most important things to strive for is creating the proper sillouhette, topline, neck-arch. Legs set squarely to not over-extend or shorten the body. How does he move? I'd expect him to be fairly efficient with adequate, but not tremendous, reach and drive. I'd also expect perhaps a bit of elbow movement in the front, but maybe not, his upper arm isn't that bad. He moves well, looks nice from the side, could be a bit better coming (you're right on w/ the elbows), but is fine in the rear, I'd like to see a bit more power back there, but not too much because I think it would throw off the balance. Definitely could use more reach, but I'd say that for well over half of the Sheepdogs I've seen gait...closer to nearly all, but not quite. His mother is one of the nicest all around movers I've seen, but even she could have a bit more reach (she was the BSD at Euk this year). I can't recall his father...and I've actually seen him in person (I'm guessing it was nothing spectacular, or I'd have remembered). LOVE the plaid pants, that's Best In Show right there! I entered the conformation handling on a fluke. I went to the match for Obedience & Rally, ended up coming home with a Herding Group 2 (over a couple of other Sheepdogs, and representatives from most of the herding group).* I didn't expect to have my photo taken! laugh *The club doed puppy classes & adult classes, which included Veterans & "Anything Goes" (neutered/spayed). Overall, I simply adore this dog, but I've also learned to look at him as a template for my next Belgian. Keep this...tweak this...a little here & there. I'm lucky enough to have several friends who are judges, and longtime breed fanciers who've reaffirmed my thoughts that he is a really nice dog. As a first-time puppy buyer, I think I did okay. :-) Thanks for your imput! Shelly & The Boys |
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"Shelly & The Boys" wrote in message ... Let me revise that a bit... Bring that neck up, head pointing a bit more downward to accentuate arch of neck. In Belgians, one of the most important things to strive for is creating the proper sillouhette When stacking your dog in front of the judge, it's one of of the most important things to strive for... (Not to discredit movement, type, balance, temperament as an overall picture for a breeding program...) Shelly & The Boys |
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"Shelly & The Boys" wrote in
: http://www.geocities.com/shellybrosn...ed_photos.html I know nothing about conformation, but everytime I see a picture of Bodhi I am struck with how incredibly handsome he is! --Catherine and her house full of black dogs, Zoe and Queenie |
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"ceb" wrote in message ... "Shelly & The Boys" wrote in : http://www.geocities.com/shellybrosn...ed_photos.html I know nothing about conformation, but everytime I see a picture of Bodhi I am struck with how incredibly handsome he is! Thanks...he's a pretty well-put-together dog, and I adore him. Plus...his photos do nothing for what he's like in person. He's such a nice tempered dog that most people really like him. He's a "wormer"--worms his pointy-nosed way into your heart. :-) Shelly & The Boys |
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