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Science Diet vs Canidae
Hi. My vet carries Science Diet, and of course, he claims that it is
the best dog food available. I've heard great things about Canidae. Is it better that Science Diet, or is that hype too? Thanks. Kevin |
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Canidae is far superior. Your Vet is paid to push Science Diet.
Doesn't Science Diet have Corn and by-products? Any food with corn and/or by-products should be avoided. Another good food in addition to Canidae is Wellness Super5mix www.omhpet.com |
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Methinks the original poster is a troll. Unless of course you think
it is merely coincidental that the exact same message was posted on the cat NG, but referencing Felidae instead. As for comments in your post. What is your issue with corn in dog foods? Before you answer, let's take a look at some facts about corn. 1. The starch fraction of corn is 99+% digestible in dogs. 2. The protein fraction of corn is the most digestible (84%) of any grain commonly used in pet food. 3. Corn contains 5 times as much essential fatty acids as rice. 4. Corn contains substantially higher levels of lutein than most other grains, an important nutrient. 5. Corn is 20 times less likely to an allergen than wheat. With those facts in mind please let us know what you dislike about corn. As for by-products - it depends upon the quality. It is possible to buy much better quality by-products than plain meats. Your example of Wellness is a good one to use. Wellness Super 5 Lamb meal contains a whopping 1.73% calcium. Where does all that calcium come from? Lamb meat - straight meat - contains only 0.01% calcium. Grains and veggies contain very little calcium. The vast majority of calcium in any pet food comes from the meat meals used to manufacture it. In contrast lets look at Science Diet Adult - where the first ingredients listed are in order - chicken, corn meal, grain sorghum, ground wheat, chicken by product meal. Calcium level in this product is 0.73% So back to the whopping 1.73% calcium level in Wellness, an amount by the way, that exceeds the maximum key nutritional level appropriate for adult dogs which is 1.0%. Where does all that calcium comes from? From ground up bone material in the food. The cheaper the meat meal - the more ground up bone is in the meal. The more expensive meat meals - commonly called "low ash" meals contain far less ground up bone tissue in the meat meals. Considering The Wellness product contains 2.4 times as much calcium as Science Diet, one can make some fairly reasonable and logical conclusions about the quality and cost of the two products. Wellness doesn't win this comparison in any way shape or form. |
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Oh Boy,
I see that Hill's has resorted to planting some incessant ramblers on the forums in hopes to persuade the general public that the crap they peddle as premium dog food is actually good for dogs? I wouldn't feed my dogs Science Diet if it were the last bag of food on the shelf! Read the ingredients! and BTW, a quick review of your past posts shows that you're here for no other reason than to push Science Diet. Big Business at its finest or lowest? |
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OK, lets cut to the chase, here are your Science Diet ingredients
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Corn meal, chicken by-product meal (a source of natural chondroitin sulfate and glucosamine), soybean meal, animal fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), vegetable oil, chicken liver flavor, dried egg product, flaxseed, dried chicken cartilage (a source of natural chondroitin sulfate and glucosamine), taurine, L-carnitine, preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid, minerals (salt, potassium chloride, ferrous sulfate, zinc oxide, copper sulfate, manganous oxide, calcium iodate, sodium selenite), rosemary extract, beta-carotene, vitamins (choline chloride, vitamin A supplement, vitamin D3 supplement, vitamin E supplement, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (a source of vitamin C), niacin, thiamine mononitrate, calcium pantothenate, pyridoxine hydrochloride, riboflavin, folic acid, biotin, vitamin B12 supplement). --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Corn Meal is the number 1 ingredient!?!? which is nothing but a cheap filler with little to no nutritional value! But wait, "Chicken By-Products" are the second ingredient, which are basically ground up and boiled beaks, feet and any other part of the chicken that none of us would ever consider eating! But it gets even better as ingredient number 3 is soybean meal, which is yet another cheap filler! As you read down the list you see that things quickly deteriorate, as if that could even be possible. You guys are sick to even suggest that Science Diet is a good dog food! I do like the marketing play on by-products as being a "natural source of chondroitin sulfate and glucosamine"? That's a slick way to market chicken cartilage to the masses! LOL! Now lets compare Science Diet against Wellness SuperMix5 Chicken, which is what I feed my dogs. Here are the Wellness ingredients --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Deboned Chicken, Ground Barley, Oatmeal, Rye Flour, Menhaden Fish Meal, Whitefish, Ground Brown Rice, Ground Millet, Canola Oil (preserved with mixed tocopherols), Flaxseed, Amaranth, Peas, Carrots, Whole Sweet Potatoes, Whole Apples, Whole Blueberries, Whole Clove Garlic, Alfalfa Leaf, Yucca Schidigera, Lactobacillus Plantarum, Enterococcus Faecium, Lactobacillus Casei, Lactobacillus Acidophilus, Inulin, Fructose, Glucosamine, Chondroitin Sulfate, Beta-Carotene, Potassium Chloride, Zinc Proteinate (a chelated source of Zinc), Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Vitamin E Supplement, Copper Proteinate (a chelated source of Copper), Copper Sulfate, Niacin Supplement, Manganese Sulfate, Manganese Proteinate ( a chelated source of Manganese), Sodium Selenite, d-Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin A Acetate, Riboflavin Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Vitamin B-12 Supplement, Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Thiamine Mononitrate, Folic Acid. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hmmm, which one would you feed your dog Einstein? |
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on 2005-02-10 at 07:09 wrote:
OK, lets cut to the chase, here are your Science Diet ingredients FYI, you're talking to someone who feeds her Beagles Ol' Roy because they aren't as important to her as her other dog. -- shelly http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette http://cat-sidh.blogspot.com/ (updated dailyish, apparently) |
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I pulled that Science Diet ingredient list off their web site this
morning http://www.hillspet.com/zSkin_2/prod...=1108060843000 I have to wonder why they make it so hard to find their ingredient list on their site? Well, no I don't, it's because they don't want anyone to see the actual ingredients, only their marketing hype. Maybe you can provide a better ingredient list and a link? Regarding "Enterococcus Faecium". There you go again spreading misleading information. You know that every animals gut is lined with billions of "beneficial" bacteria including us! I regularly take acidophilus and eat yogurt, which also contain billions of bacteria organisms but it is a beneficial bacteria that aids in digestion and overall intestinal health. Here's a link to help educate you on the use of Enterococcus Faecium in dog food. http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...ecium+dog+food Regarding Steve's post, I most certainly read it but didn't bother responding because Corn is a well know cheap filler for dog food and a known common allergen to dogs. No quality dog food uses Corn as an ingredient. Steve talks in vagueness regarding Corn. Can he directly compare your bag of Corn meal, I mean "Science Diet" to the grains in Wellness / Canidae instead of using vague terms such as "grains most commonly used in dog food"? Grab a cup of coffee and start reading! http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...=dog+food+corn Steve even admitted that Corn was an allergen by stating that "Corn is 20 times less likely to be an allergen than Wheat". So what does that mean? That because Wheat is worse than Corn, it's ok to use Corn as a filler because it's not as bad? Great logic! and what is soybean meal and vegetable oil doing in Science Diet? Regarding Ingredient label games, Science Diet is a master manipulator of this tactic. i.e., "a source of natural chondroitin sulfate and glucosamine" and the ingredient list for Science Diet lists "chicken by-products" as a main ingredient and then lists "Chicken cartilage" again as an ingredient. I've also seen numerous dog food companies break down "Corn" into several separate ingredients to make it appear to be a smaller ingredient than what it really is. Science Diet is nothing more than Corn, boiled down beaks, feet, cartilage and other miscellaneous animal parts sprayed with some fats, oils and vitamins/minerals. It's complete crap and anyone with common sense can see that by reading the ingredient list. Since this post was originally about Bag o' Corn n Beaks vs. Canidae, here is Canidae's ingredient list (note the absence of Corn and By-Products!). Canidae Ingredient List Chicken Meal, Turkey Meal, Brown Rice, White Rice, Lamb Meal, Chicken Fat (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols, Citric Acid), Herring Meal, Flax Seed, Sun Cured Alfalfa Meal, Sunflower Oil, Chicken, Lecithin, Monocalcium Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Linoleic Acid, Rosemary Extract, Sage Extract, Yeast Culture, Dried Enterococcus Faecium, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Aspergillus Oryzae Fermentation Extract, Dried Bacillus Subtilis Fermentation Extract, Inulin (from Chicory root), Saccharomyces Cerevisiae Fermentation Solubles, Yucca Schidigera Extract Mixed Tocopherols (source of Vitamin E), Zinc Amino Acid Chelate, Manganese Amino Acid Chelate, Iron Amino Acid Chelate, Copper Amino Acid Chelate, Cobalt Amino Acid Chelate, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Ascorbic Acid (source of Vitamin C), Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B1), Riboflavin (source of B2), Beta Carotene, Calcium Pantothenate, Pyridoxine hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Calcium Iodate, Folic Acid, D-Biotin, Sodium Selenite, Dried Papaya, Vitamin B12 Supplement. |
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Personally, I have noticed my dog does better on feed that does not contain
wheat or corn or soy. Not just skin, but bullmastiff GAS. Don't know why, never did an allergen test - perhaps it is what grows on old grain, not the grain itself. BUT - many dogs do very well on corn. I have a friend that traveled over to South Africa to visit with as many Boerboel breeders (outlying farm bred and working dogs) as he could. THE MAJOR feed is actually mealy corn with milk. The dogs are basically on their own in finding a source of "meat" unless they luck out and win a lottery. Wonder how much protein is from the "mealy" (insect) part of the corn. And these dogs are in wonderful shape, compared to their American Bred and fed counterparts. BTW - beaks and hooves are much loved by just about every canine I have met. wrote in message oups.com... I pulled that Science Diet ingredient list off their web site this morning http://www.hillspet.com/zSkin_2/prod...=1108060843000 I have to wonder why they make it so hard to find their ingredient list on their site? Well, no I don't, it's because they don't want anyone to see the actual ingredients, only their marketing hype. Maybe you can provide a better ingredient list and a link? Regarding "Enterococcus Faecium". There you go again spreading misleading information. You know that every animals gut is lined with billions of "beneficial" bacteria including us! I regularly take acidophilus and eat yogurt, which also contain billions of bacteria organisms but it is a beneficial bacteria that aids in digestion and overall intestinal health. Here's a link to help educate you on the use of Enterococcus Faecium in dog food. http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...ecium+dog+food Regarding Steve's post, I most certainly read it but didn't bother responding because Corn is a well know cheap filler for dog food and a known common allergen to dogs. No quality dog food uses Corn as an ingredient. Steve talks in vagueness regarding Corn. Can he directly compare your bag of Corn meal, I mean "Science Diet" to the grains in Wellness / Canidae instead of using vague terms such as "grains most commonly used in dog food"? Grab a cup of coffee and start reading! http://www.google.com/search?sourcei...=dog+food+corn Steve even admitted that Corn was an allergen by stating that "Corn is 20 times less likely to be an allergen than Wheat". So what does that mean? That because Wheat is worse than Corn, it's ok to use Corn as a filler because it's not as bad? Great logic! and what is soybean meal and vegetable oil doing in Science Diet? Regarding Ingredient label games, Science Diet is a master manipulator of this tactic. i.e., "a source of natural chondroitin sulfate and glucosamine" and the ingredient list for Science Diet lists "chicken by-products" as a main ingredient and then lists "Chicken cartilage" again as an ingredient. I've also seen numerous dog food companies break down "Corn" into several separate ingredients to make it appear to be a smaller ingredient than what it really is. Science Diet is nothing more than Corn, boiled down beaks, feet, cartilage and other miscellaneous animal parts sprayed with some fats, oils and vitamins/minerals. It's complete crap and anyone with common sense can see that by reading the ingredient list. Since this post was originally about Bag o' Corn n Beaks vs. Canidae, here is Canidae's ingredient list (note the absence of Corn and By-Products!). Canidae Ingredient List Chicken Meal, Turkey Meal, Brown Rice, White Rice, Lamb Meal, Chicken Fat (preserved with Mixed Tocopherols, Citric Acid), Herring Meal, Flax Seed, Sun Cured Alfalfa Meal, Sunflower Oil, Chicken, Lecithin, Monocalcium Phosphate, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Linoleic Acid, Rosemary Extract, Sage Extract, Yeast Culture, Dried Enterococcus Faecium, Dried Lactobacillus Acidophilus Fermentation Product, Dried Aspergillus Oryzae Fermentation Extract, Dried Bacillus Subtilis Fermentation Extract, Inulin (from Chicory root), Saccharomyces Cerevisiae Fermentation Solubles, Yucca Schidigera Extract Mixed Tocopherols (source of Vitamin E), Zinc Amino Acid Chelate, Manganese Amino Acid Chelate, Iron Amino Acid Chelate, Copper Amino Acid Chelate, Cobalt Amino Acid Chelate, Vitamin A Supplement, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Ascorbic Acid (source of Vitamin C), Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate (Vitamin B1), Riboflavin (source of B2), Beta Carotene, Calcium Pantothenate, Pyridoxine hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Calcium Iodate, Folic Acid, D-Biotin, Sodium Selenite, Dried Papaya, Vitamin B12 Supplement. |
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