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Old February 12th 05, 05:19 AM
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I have three dogs. Two of the three LOVE being brushed and you can hardly
get rid of them when they see the brushes. Our third dog, a yellow lab
(pound puppy) acts as if it's pure torture (she's about 3 yrs old and this
is not a new experience). She trembles the whole time, cowers like I'm
going to beat her, and in general just seems terrified. I talk softly to
her the entire time I'm brushing her, let her sniff the brush/hair, and I've
done everything I can think of to put her at ease and make this an ejoyable
experience for her, all to no avail. Any suggestions? TIA

Brandy
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Old February 12th 05, 01:10 PM
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:19:14 -0600, "Brandy" wrote:

I have three dogs. Two of the three LOVE being brushed and you can hardly
get rid of them when they see the brushes. Our third dog, a yellow lab
(pound puppy) acts as if it's pure torture (she's about 3 yrs old and this
is not a new experience). She trembles the whole time, cowers like I'm
going to beat her, and in general just seems terrified. I talk softly to
her the entire time I'm brushing her, let her sniff the brush/hair, and I've
done everything I can think of to put her at ease and make this an ejoyable
experience for her, all to no avail. Any suggestions? TIA


What kind of brush are you using? Some dogs seem to be very sensitive
to the wire bristles. You might want to try a Zoom Groom - it's a
rubber brush that massages the dog and feels nice. I've seen a lot of
dogs who hate the brush enjoy the Zoom Groom.

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Old February 12th 05, 03:54 PM
Michael A. Ball
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:19:14 -0600, "Brandy" wrote:

I have three dogs...


This probably is irrelevant in your case, but dogs [usually with long
hair] sometimes react to static discharges during brushing or even
petting. This can be defeated by raising the humidity and/or (wipe the
dog with a fabric softener sheet which I don't feel comfortable with).

What dogs go through before reaching the shelter is often unimaginable.
I would not give up on your dog. It could take many months or forever to
"unprogram" his response.

Have you tried massages on him? I recommend it for all dogs. It might be
possible to substitute the action he fears with an action he likes. Try
to face him when you brush him, so he can read your face.



When I die, I want to go where dogs go!
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Old February 12th 05, 04:59 PM
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Although I didn't have a problem with brushing, my dog is a total whimp
when it comes to other things.

3 things in particular:
I picked up some bubbles from the local pet store - the kind you blow
and dogs are supposed to chase. His ears went flat and he went and hid
behind a desk.
A drop of water would send him hiding under the table with a look of
pure torture. Any heavier water and he wouldn't come out of hiding
until I drug him by the collar.
A soft toy tossed at him would make him put on a look like I was trying
to kill him and he'd cower in a corner.

I just took everything slow. I blew some bubbles in the other room,
and when he just watched he got rewarded. I trickled water far away,
and again rewarded any sign of interest. I threw his squeeky toy many
feet away from him, however far away required for him to be unafraid.
Then slowly worked all these things closer to him with much praise and
reward. He still has problems with water, but will be around it as
long as it doesn't touch him. I admit I haven't spent as much time on
that so only blame myself. He will now stay by me for bubbles and even
pop the occasional one with his mouh. Catch has become one of his
favorite games and I can throw a hard tennis ball, soft toy, or frisbee
at him now and he gladly jumps up to grab it mid-air.

So the way I would have approached your problem, had he also been
afraid of grooming, would have been to start by just having the brush
near him. I would have left it on the ground and rewarded any interest
in it, and played with it in my hand but not paying any attention to
him. Once he was fine with that, I would have pet him with whichever
hand was holding the brush, but not letting the brush actually touch
him. Then I would have run the back of it over his body (so it doesn't
feel strange with the bristles) just a single stroke. Worked up to a
few strokes. Then turned the brush around and gone back to a single
short stroke. Meanwhile rewarding every positive reaction and backing
off if there were any negative reactions. Rewards can be treats, pets,
a toy, or lots of exciting screams (Good boy!!!! What a good boy!!!!
You're so good!!!!) depending on what your dog prefers.

This process could very well take many days or even weeks, so be
patient and don't push. Stop when she's had enough (or preferably
BEFORE she's had enough), and continue at another time.

She just has to learn that the brush isn't something scary, but
something pleasant.

Good luck.

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Old February 15th 05, 06:20 AM
Brandy
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Thank you so much Leah, Mike, & TJ Girl for you input. Leah, I'll
definitely look into the Zoom Groom. Mike, I think you're right about it
being unimaginable what they go through before they go to the shelter, and I
believe she probably was hit or taunted/scared at some point. TJ Girl, I
also think that was very sound advice about taking it slow. I need to go
even more out of my way to make the brushing experience a pleasure for her
(although I have been gentle and kind, I obviously have not gone slow enough
to allay her fears). Oh and Mike, you're totally right about the massages;
I've periodically done that with all of my dogs (don't do it on a regular or
scheduled basis, just sometimes when I'm petting them), but they do love it
just like we do.

I really appreciate you all taking the time to help me out. :-)

Brandy
Say goodnight Gracie... Goodnight Gracie

"Michael A. Ball" wrote in message
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 23:19:14 -0600, "Brandy" wrote:

I have three dogs...


This probably is irrelevant in your case, but dogs [usually with long
hair] sometimes react to static discharges during brushing or even
petting. This can be defeated by raising the humidity and/or (wipe the
dog with a fabric softener sheet which I don't feel comfortable with).

What dogs go through before reaching the shelter is often unimaginable.
I would not give up on your dog. It could take many months or forever to
"unprogram" his response.

Have you tried massages on him? I recommend it for all dogs. It might be
possible to substitute the action he fears with an action he likes. Try
to face him when you brush him, so he can read your face.



When I die, I want to go where dogs go!



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Old February 15th 05, 08:45 AM
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The Amazing Puppy Wizard wrote:
HOWEDY tj girl,

From:
Subject: dog scared of brushing?
Date: 12 Feb 2005 08:59:47 -0800

Although I didn't have a problem with brushing,
my dog is a total whimp when it comes to other
things.


Your dog is AFRAID on accHOWENT of you
mishandle him... the same reason he PUKES
HIS GUTS HOWET every mornin like MOST of
HOWER dog lover's dogs do if they ain't fed 4
or 5 times a day.


Why don't you simply list these "dog lovers" who are apparently "my
pals" and stop being so ambiguous?

MY dog never pukes anything up, yet I'm lodged in your dog abusers
crowd. My dog does - in fact - NOTHING you claim.

So, either you are a liar, or ignorant. Which is it?

We already know that you are a perv and a pedophile and a criminal, so
no need to respond there. But you haven't A) Found evidence that I
take psychopathic drugs (I don't) OR B) I abuse my dog (I don't).

So - go on and make up **** about me like you do everyone else - I
won't care. In fact, I'd find it humorous, COWARD.

Go for it!

Pat

3 things in particular:I picked up some bubbles
from the local pet store - the kind you blow and
dogs are supposed to chase. His ears went flat
and he went and hid behind a desk.


Your dog is afraid on accHOWENT of YOU, not the bubbles.

A drop of water would send him hiding
under the table with a look of pure torture.


On accHOWENT of you spray him with water
to punish bad behaviors.

Any heavier water and he wouldn't come out
of hiding until I drug him by the collar.


You should NEVER NEED to grab a dog by
the collar or anything else if you know HOWE
to train them to naturally want to do anything
you ask.

A soft toy tossed at him would make him put
on a look like I was trying to kill him and he'd
cower in a corner.


The dog AIN'T AFRAID of the toy he's afraid of you.

I just took everything slow.


Of curse. On accHOWENT of you don't know
HOWE to make your dog FEEL SAFE an
S-HOWEND... LIKE THIS:


----- Original Message -----
From: Eric
To:
Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:54 AM
Subject: just checking in..

Jerry!

You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago
regarding submissive peeing. Just wanted to let you
know he's doing great- he was "cured" in about 2 days
using your techniques!

He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"!
Once I stopped thinking like a human and got inside his
head, I can teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter
of minutes. Makes me look like an expert dog-trainer.

I rescued two strays last week, cleaned 'em up, wormed
'em, and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside
their heads and teach them to teach themselves how to
be good dogs!

Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward
to working with these guys a couple times a day...

Although I don't follow your instructions "to a T", I learned
from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate their brain rather
than beating ass or pinching, or any of that nonsense.

I know damn well I would NOT be loyal to someone
who beat MY ass lol!

Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes
out there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs.

A horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in
training his horses- he calls it "natural horsemanship". He
is hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he
repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows
any more, but goes now and then to rub their noses in it
(pun intended)... Too cool....

Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work!

Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard

==========================

Subject: Dog will not listen to anyone but me!
Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:33:36 -0500
Message-ID:


Okay, I gotta speak up here... We've been using Jerry's
methods with our dog. We had the same problem as the
original poster has with Buzz. One day working with the
family pack exercise and practicing the recall command
with the family and she'll now go out with hubby and
daughter instead of needing me to reassure her or even
refusing to go with anyone but me.

I really urge you, regardless of the negative things you
might hear about Jerry & Wits' End here, to try the method
and *judge the results for yourself*.

Let's see what other areas she's improved in... always
comes when called, not chewing stuff even if we leave
it laying around, "re"housebroken after long shelter stay,
walks perfectly on leash, doesn't try to steal food from
our plates or beg... probably a few more things I'm
forgetting to mention. *(Yeah, the kats lay off the koi
and don't wander. jh).

That's in about a week's time.

Her overall demeanor has changed. When we brought
her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive
(except with her area/toys where she was possessive and
nippy).

She had been abused and beaten by previous owners,
then she was in a shelter for months. They (most of them)
wanted to give up and kill her Now she's gained confidence
and trust with us. Last night was another big breakthrough
(in my eyes). She barked! Big deal, she barked just once
when she heard the front door. Great!

Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about Jerry or that
the Wits' End manual is culled from other sources. In my
opinion, even if it is, it takes only the good stuff and leaves
out the bad. Works for me.

(And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know Jerry personally.
I've emailed him and instant messaged him. I have not bought a
"Doggy Do Right". He's offered help for free.)

Ms. Mick Owen Crneckiy
http://www.crneckiy.com & http://tarot.crneckiy.com
E-mail & MSN Messenger:
AIM & Yahoo!: MickCrneckiy ~ ICQ: 72461227

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I blew some bubbles in the other room,
and when he just watched he got rewarded.


Yeah. Rewarding behaivors AFTER the fact
won't tell the dog what he's bein REWARDED
FOR. Giving physical contact DISTRACTS the
dog from THINKIN of the behavior you THINK
you're REWARDING.

I trickled water far away, and again rewarded
any sign of interest. I threw his squeeky toy many
feet away from him, however far away required
for him to be unafraid.


You coulda trained your dog to TRUST you
in a few minutes and the dog wouldn't FEAR
those items or anything else on accHOWENT
of ALL FEAR is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING.

Then slowly worked all these things closer
to him with much praise and reward.


You mean you tried to SNEAK UP on the dog's
FEARS and soon as you got him NOT TO THINK
abHOWET HIS PHOBIA bein NUTHING TO FEAR
on accHOWENT of YOU SEZ IT'S SAFE, you stop
what you're doin an give him a PHYSICAL DISTRACTION
as a REWARD for WHAAAAA???? Oh yeah... not
bein AFRAID of bubbles.

He still has problems with water,


Duh? Maybe you should put some BUBBLES in the water?
If you got IT to LIKE bubbles then USE THAT to DISTRACT
him from the WATER but make the DISTRACTION BRIEF
and ONLY whe the dog ACTS afraid, not AFTER as you've
been doin on accHOWENT of you got NO IDEA HOWE a
dog thinks and learns or your own dog wouldn't BE AFRAID.

WOULD HE.

but will be around it as long as it doesn't touch him.


You and your dog gotta WALK together on heel
into the SHOWER and stand and turn the water
on a couple times and he'll not be afraid of water
IF HE TRUSTS YOU. But your dog DON'T and we
KNOW HE AIN'T GONNA follow you ON COMMAND
into the S-HOWER unless you CHOKE HIM.

I admit I haven't spent as much time on
that so only blame myself.


That's probably not a problem so long as
you ain't SPRAYIN HIM WITH WATER to
PUNISH his BAD BEHAVIORS... which is
HOWE COME DOGS DON'T TRUST their
ABUSERS... REMEMBER?

He will now stay by me for bubbles and even
pop the occasional one with his mouh. Catch
has become one of his favorite games and I
can throw a hard tennis ball, soft toy, or frisbee
at him now and he gladly jumps up to grab it mid-air.


AMAZING? You taught your dog to do ALL THAT?

So the way I would have approached your problem,


"He still has problems with water,"

had he also been afraid of grooming,


Oh? You mean, like THIS?:

From:
To:
Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2002 10:26 PM
Subject: THANKS ALISON! - "Owners Should Always

Be Given The Cold, Hard Facts: They Should NEVER FEEL
GUILTY For Having An Aggressive Dog Euthanized."

Dear Jerry,

It's Kay here. I don't know who these people are that
maligning you and your training manual but tell them
from me that it does work.

Hunter is just doing so well even the people who advocated
putting him down are impressed with him.

I even started using it with the neighbor's dog. I went over
there to help her cut his nails. She started yelling at him
for growling at me. I told her to tell him what a good boy he
is instead. Lo and behold he stopped growling and I could
do his nails. All 4 feet.

My dog Hunter was trained with the old jerk and pull method
and my other dog was trained with treats. Hunter has gotten
his enthusiasm back for his training and I couldn't be more
pleased.

He even tried to kiss a child the other day.

Major break through.

This is the dog that a few months ago tried to eat the kids
through the fence. I can now take him in the car with me
again without him trying to chase cars through the windshield.

So Jerry tell these people that the first
rule of dog training is

Do No Harm.

The 2nd rule is whatever works without breaking the first rule.

Aggressive dogs don't need to be put down.
Hunter was diagnosed aggressive and he is
going to stay alive and by my side where he
belongs.

Thank you so much.
Kay

========================

would have been to start by just having the brush near him.


You gonna SNEAK UP on the dog's FEAR of YOU DOIN STUFF?

I would have left it on the ground and rewarded
any interest in it, and played with it in my hand but
not paying any attention to him.


That's sheer idiocy.

Once he was fine with that, I would have
pet him with whichever hand was holding
the brush, but not letting the brush actually
touch him. Then I would have run the back
of it over his body (so it doesn't feel strange
with the bristles) just a single stroke.


The dog AIN'T AFRAID of the BRUSH your
dog DOESN'T TRUST YOU on accHOWENT
of you ABUSE him.

Worked up to a few strokes. Then turned the
brush around and gone back to a single short
stroke.


If you knew HOWE to pupperly handle and
train a dog you'd be DONE with all his phobias
in the time it took you to concoct this IDIOCY.

Meanwhile rewarding every positive reaction


You mean AFTER HE DONE WHAT YOU WANTED...

and backing off if there were any negative reactions.


To REINFORCE his FEARS...

Rewards can be treats, pets, a toy,


NO. You CANNOT REWARD a PAST behavior
you can ONLY REWARD the THOUGHT OF DOIN
a behavior and your "rewards" ONLY DISTRACT
the dog from THINKIN of what he'd DONE.

or lots of exciting screams (Good boy!!!!
What a good boy!!!! You're so good!!!!)


INDEEDY. IN ADVANCE. To OVERCOME FEARS.

depending on what your dog prefers.


NO. WE CONDITION THE DOG TO LIKE WHAT
WE'RE GONNA OFFER HIM AS A REWARD IN
ADVANCE WITH NO PHYSCIAL CON-TROLL or
CONTACT or we'll DISTRACT the dog FROM the
THOUGHT and it's CONTEXT.

NHOWE don't make The Amazing Puppy
Wizard have to WIZE YOU UP again on
accHOWENT of there AIN'T NO EXXXCUSE
for NOT PUPPERLY HANDLING and TRAININ
YOUR DOG who's DYIN from STRESS INDUCED
AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy
Wizard's SYNDROME {) ; ~ )

This process could very well take many days or even weeks,


BWEEEEEEEEAHAHAHHAHAHAAA!!!

THAT'S ON accHOWENT of YOUR METHOD DON'T WORK
or YOU AIN'T DOIN IT RIGHT. ANY behavior that's PREDICTABLE
CONSISTENT or REPEATABLE is EZ to EXXXTINGUISH
NEARLY INSTANTLY if you know HOWE.

so be patient and don't push.


You're a IDIOT. "Misery LOVES company," The
Puppy Wizard's DADDY {) ; ~ )

Stop when she's had enough (or preferably
BEFORE she's had enough),


You're makin it up, NHOWE. You can't STOP
a DESENSITIZATION SESSION till the dog
is DESENSITIZED or you'll REINFORCE the
BAD BEHAVIOR.

PERHAPS THAT'S HOWE COME YOUR
"method" DIDN'T WORK for YOUR DOG?

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAHHAHAHHAAA!!!

NHOWE YOU KNOW HOWE COME IT'S
SO HARD for The Amazing Puppy Wizard
to BE NICE to you punks thugs cowards an
active long term incurable MENTAL CASES.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEAHAHHAAAA!!!

and continue at another time.


When the dog AIN'T SO SCARED OF IT noMOORE???

She just has to learn that the brush isn't
something scary, but something pleasant.


IT AIN'T THE BRUSH SHE FINDS "UNPLEASANT."

Good luck.


Dog trainin AIN'T LUCK, dog lovers; "LUCK is for
SUCKERS," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY {) ; ~ )

From: "The Puppy Wizard"
Date: Fri, 04 Jun 2004 17:50:45 GMT
Subject: Vomiting - should I worry?

HOWEDY TJ Girl,

Most of HOWER dog lover's dogs vomit like
that from STRESS associated with traditional
obedience training and ordinary scolding and
punishemnt, like being told "NO!" just a few
times a day, or having bribes offered and withheld.

STRESS is the chief cause of all behavior
temperament and health problems.

There's only three known cures... The Amazing
Puppy Wizard offers a FREE cure and a for sale
cure. professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer of the
department of ANAL-ytic behavior at UofWI has
discovered the third cure for chronic stress...

Ask him HOWE to simulate masturbating your
dog, or study your FREE copy of The Amazing
Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog
Training Method Manual and ask The Amazing
Puppy Wizard if you need any additional FREE
heelp with anything other than sexually satisfying
your dog.

THAT'S professor SCRUFF SHAKE'S business.
After all, he IS a genuine research professor Vs
just a backyard shade tree **** kicking dog trainer
with over forty years experience and 100% SUCCESS
record as reported right here.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. {} ; ~ )

"TJ Girl" wrote in message
om...
Hi,
I've had my 1.5 year old border collie mix for
about 6 months now.

He's normally been EXTREMELY food driven,
no matter how much he had eaten, he would
do anything to get another bite.


Your dog "EATS RAVENHOWESLY" on accHOWENT
of he's INSECURE. Dogs overeat from NERVES JUST
LIKE HOWE people do.

This has been our sequence the last few days:
Nibble at part of breakfast. Tell me he wants to
go out, so we head out. He vomits somewhere
between the breakfast bowl and the yard.


BWEEEEEEEEEAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

Your dog can't even face breakfast in front of you
withHOWET PUKIN HIS GUTS HOWET.

It's mostly whole pieces of food with a lot
of white saliva mixed in. We come back in
and he finishes breakfast at a medium pace -
not gobbling it down, but not the slow nibble
like earlier, either.


Your dog is havin a nervHOWES stomach
from you mishanlding him. He wakes up
SICK in the mornin like professor SCRUFF
SHAKE'S little DEATHLY CHRONICALLY
UNDIAGNOSABLY ILL dog Maxie The
Magnificent FuriHOWESLY Obsessive
Compulsive Masturbator {) ; ~ )

He holds that down fine.


IMAGINE?

During the day he gets training treats -


You mean BRIBES you WITHHOLD to INCREASE
anXXXIHOWESNESS to make IT throw random
unthinking meaningless behaviors to elicit a treat
from a human (to err is HUMAN) Skinner box.

THAT'S HOWE COME your dog HAS PHOBIAS
and DOESN'T TRUST YOU. You've got to ring in
your REWARDS INSTANTLY to the behavior and
NOT DISTRACT the THOUGHT from the CONTEXT
which IS IMPOSSIBLE to DO when you're GIVIN
physical "REWARDS."

Every thing you're doin is BASSACKWARDS.

still happy to do anything for them


Your dog AIN'T LEARNIN NUTHIN. He's THROWING
"UNTHINKING MEANINGLESS RANDOM BEHAVIORS"
to RELEASE a BRIBE from an often errant Skinner box...

He still has plenty of energy,


Your dog is HYPERACTIVE on accHOWET
of you WITHHOLD attention affection and
BRIBES (not rewards...) and repress behaviors
that SCARE you, as ANY DOG LOVER WOULD.

still likes to run around the yard playing fetch,
or go on hikes, or play on my makeshift agility
equipment. Pretty much he's the same dog
after the initial lack of interest in breakfast.


Till you make IT SICK again.

Dinner time he gets dinner which he gobbles
down at high speed.


INDEEDY. THAT'S HOWE COME we GET indigestion.

He never throws up again the rest of the day.


IMAGINE? HE'S JUST SICK FACING THE DAY,
like professor SCRUFF SHAKE'S dog... look it up.

Is this potentially a serious condition?


It's DEADLY. Your dog is DYING from The Puppy
Wizard's SYNDROME. MOST of the DOG LOVER'S
DOGS here abHOWETS GOT IT. There's MANY
SYMPTOMS but the COMMON THREAD IS the
PROBLMES are DEATHLY and UNDIAGNOSABLE...
on accHOWENT of they're CAUSED by CONSTANT
INTERMITTENT REPETITIVE PUNISHMENT.

And THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy
Wizard is fixin to get into the MEDICAL BOOKS.
That and of curse, that HE'S GOT THE CURE
FOR IT, to boot. But you'll PREFER askin professor
SCRUFF SHAKE dermer, he's MOORE of a "hands
on" guy, if you know what I mean...

Or is it maybe something related to first
getting up in the morning?


Yeah. He FEARS STARTING HIS DAY.

(I feed right after waking up and climbing out of bed).


He sleeps in bed so you SEZ so he's not
UPSET from lockin IT in a box... like MOST
of HOWER dog lover's dogs are doin EVERY
DAY.

Is it time to see a vet yet, or should I give it
time or change our routine?


You've got to stop bribing and punishing your dog.

Thanks for any advice,


But you don't LIKE it...

TJ Girl


And you WON'T DO IT... on accHOWENT of
BEIN NICE to your dog is CONtraWIZE to
what you've BEEN TAUGHT by EXXXPERTS
like professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer and
his dog abusing punk thug coward pal dr.
mark plonsky of UofWI and the rest of their
dog abusing ilk...

The Amazing Puppy Wizard {) ; ~ )

Emotional Influences On Behavior

HOWEDY Scott Far Thunder,

Cc's for EMBARRASSMENT FACTOR:
; marshall Dermer;
;
"Scott Far Thunder" wrote in message
...

Hau


You mean HOWE, Chief.

kolas..


Can have anything you want to drink so
long as it ain't firewater or beer. Dogs
HATE the smell of alcohol on people.
Care for a stick of gum? Smoke 'm if
you got 'm. RELAX! Take off your
moccasins an set DHOWEN a SPELL.

quick question for you..


You AIN'T gonna get a straight answer
from these forked tongued tonto's, Chief.

I do believe my dog has several of the
symptoms of canine cushing's disease.


That's a tough break. Many of HOWER
dog lover's dogs have similar problems
due to STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE
DIS-EASE aka Sindrome del Mago de los
Cachorros {) ; - )

Soy El Mago de los Cachorros {) ; ~ )

BIENVENIDO!

I AM TAKING HER TO THE VET LATER
TODAY (doesn't open til 3, so if all you have
to contribute is "take her to a vet", please
don't bother ).


DIS-EASES like Cushing's Addison's Lupus
fibromyalgias, degenerative neuromyopathies
and mylomas, urinary tract / bladder / kidney
inflamations, ALL OCD'S (like paw licking / self
mutilation) endocrine / parasymptathetic nervHOWES
system DIS-EASES, even cancers, periodontal
DIS-EASE and cataracts can be CAUSED BY
intermittent, non "abusive" ordinary discipline
like JUST TELLIN a dog or child "NO!" a few
times a day or simply confining them to boxes
and scheduling, can make them physically and
emotionally ill and GETS SOME DOGS DEAD.

The background: my spayed female black lab
(mixed with rotweiler) is about 7 years old now,
since age 2, she's been on prednisone (20mg/day)
for food allergies manifested in fevers, itchiness
and severe hair loss.


Oh, and THAT TOO. It's all classic symptoms
of The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME {) ; ~ )

snip diet

diet and drugs have managed her allergies relatively well.


That so?

Not crazy about the steroid,


Scary stuff. P-HOWERFUL medecine.

but it's the only thing we've found that works
effectively in our particular situation and for this
particular dog.


Perhaps professor dermer will offer you his
remedy for his dog's chronic DIS-EASES.

Recently, she has exhibited symptoms that
we wrote off as approaching "middle age"
and side-effects of the prednisone, but which
also mirror symptoms indicative of Cushing's
disease that I've been able to find at
http://www.canismajor.com/dog/cushings.html
among other sites..skin tremors are what really
prompted me to start looking around;


Do you think this could be happening to your dog?:

"Things are beginning to get much worse day
by day and the vets seem unable to help.
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusMed.WMV
http://www.oofus.com/pix/PoorRufusSmall.WMV"

THAT'S AN OCD. His owner CAUSED IT by
MISHANDLING and ABUSING his dog according
to the BEST advice of HOWER Gang Of Lying
Dog Abusing Punk Thug Cowards And ACTIVE
LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and
ASYLUM ESCAPEES.

I had a long-haired dachshund as a teenager
who died at 16 from congestive heart failure
which also exhibited these "tremors"; first time
I've noticed them on the lab was yesterday.


Things happen in old age... geriatric medecine
is still in it's infancy, like shock collar and so
called clicker trainin.

The question: how prevalent is cushing's in this
group's opinion with the labrador breed, and/or
how prevalent associated with the corticosteroid
prednisone?


Nearly EVERY dog on The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Forums has similar DIS-EASES, not
just in the heelth and veterinary forums. THAT'S
HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard has
taken the liberty to combine the variHOWES
news groups so dog lovers every where can
learn HOWE to handle train and rehabiliate
their dog's temperament behavior and heelth
problems NEARLY INSTANLTY and FOR FREE,
to boot.

We can talk abHOWET the probable causes
of it. Most of HOWER dog lovers dogs are
DYING on accHOWENT of they punish their
dogs with choking crating shocking bribing
spraying aversives in their faces and witholding
attention affection bribes and rewards.

Like this:

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to it.
When he barks, use the line for a correction.

- if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar.

Lynn K.

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.

"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.

And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.

Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."

Lynn K.

"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.

captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK" Makes A
ResoundingSound Distraction: "When You Chuck The Dog
The Sound Will Travel Up The Mandible To The Ears And
Give A Popping Sound To The Dog."



lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder, expert
trainer, discoverer of cannibalism in Labradors:

"Get a stick 30- or 40-inches long. You can have a helper
wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable
dogs may require you to progress to striking them more
sharply. REPEAT, VARYING HOW HARD YOU HIT THE
DOG. Now you are ready to progress to what most people
think of as force-fetching: the ear pinch.

Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so
urgent that resisting your will fades in importance.

but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to
escaping the ear pinch even get a studded collar and pinch
the ear against that if the dog still does not open its mouth,
get out the shotshell.

Try pinching the ear between the metal casing
and the collar, even the buckle on the collar.

Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in

With your hand on the collar and ear, say, 'fetch.'

Immediately tap the dog on the hindquarters with the stick.

Repeat "fetch" and pinch the ear all the way to the dummy.
You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell instead of your
thumb; Say 'fetch' while pressing the dummy against its lips
and pinching its ear," lying frosty dahl.

terri willis, PsychoclHOWEN wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."

"You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:

"This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue

From: Lynn Kosmakos )
Subject: I have a dog he has cats
Date: 1999/11/20

wrote:
How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.


Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.

"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't
forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works
better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
this situation.

Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can
take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that
time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
whatever other reward system was being used."

8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong
works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
why you have the dog muzzled).

If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
voice and the collar.

This is important - the correction must be physically
very strong - not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need
to be corrected at all)."

"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.

Should I have refused to groom them?

Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."

Lynn K.

Baghdad Bob Baghdadbob wrote in message
news:04591a2c5d469ef78d35c89ed4ed58f7@TeraNews.. .

Lynn, looks like he got you there if these
quotes are true.


In the posts below you take responsibility for
making those calls.


In your post above, you state you do not
make those calls.


Which one is it?


REMEMBER dog lovers, when you post here
abHOWETS The Amazing Puppy Wizard
will leave you F'd off for your dignity and self
respect, if you ever thought you had any.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!!

I'm looking for someone with real-world experience,


It don't get noMOORE REAL than The Amazing
Puppy Wizard tells it, as you just seen, Chief.

if it is determined by those qualified to do so later
today that it is cushings, and it is the pituitary tumor
type, what time frame is the "average" dog from
that experience looking at?


There's not likely to be a DIAGNOSIS.

THAT'S HOWE COME it's CALLED The Puppy
Wizard's SYNDROME {) ; ~ )

Death Producing Ulcers: "Emotional Influences
On Health & Behavior" Dr. George Von Hilsheimer

Emotional Influences On Behavior

Illness is directly related to depression and lack of
adjustment, particularly to a new environment (Parens,
McConville & Kaplan, 1966).

A WIDE RANGE of PSYCHOSOMATIC or
CORTICOVISCERAL DIS-EASES was surveyed
by Wittkower (1965) to demonstrate the enormous
importance of emotional factors in general health.

Interview findings of emotional material (recently
experienced hopelessness) pryor to biological
examinations correctly identified 11 out of 19 with
cervical cancer, and 25 of 32 who were cancer free
even though psychological tests failed to discriminate
these groups (Schmale & Iker, 1966)

150 lung cancer patients showed significantly
constricted expression of emotions. The had fewer
childhood behavior problems, and lower neuroticism
score than their cancer free controls. Heavy cigarette
smokers who DO NOT INHALE are more apt to have LUNG
CANCER. They, too, show LOWER neuroticism scores.
Among heavy cigarette smokers poor emotional
expression is as highly related to cancer as urban
residence and is more important than a chronic cough
or an air polluted environment (Kissen, 1966).

A ten year observation of all the women who developed
cancer in an isolated pupulation of 2,550 showed that
they tended to be unstable or sub stable personalities
characterized by melancholy and extraversion,
especially marked with those of an undecided body
build (Hagll, 1966). Personality dynamics effect both
the development of cancer and it's SITE. Cancer
may result from what appears to be a failure to grow--
somatically, behaviorally and psychologically
(Grinker, 1966).

In 109 cases leukemia and lymphoma were associated
with a number of losses or separations and with
feelings of sadness, anxiety, anger or hopelessness.
The PRIMARY FACTOR seems to be the shame and
hopelessness of running out of psychological resources
(Green, 1966). Cervical cancer patients are less
emotionally responsive, more isolative, and less
frequently diagnosed as having clinical neuroses than
cancer free patients. There is NO CLEAR DIFFERENCE in
their FEELINGS and ATTITUDES toward coitus (Rotkin,
Qunk, & Couchman, 1965).

Schmidt (1966) surveyed nearly 100 studies of
behaviorally induced DIS-EASE in animals CONFIRMING
and EXTENDING the DATA on PEOPLE. Behaviorally
induced DIS-EASES tend to fall into two groups;
(1) Hysteriform problems, which INCLUDE HYSTERICAL
SEIZURES and FORMS of AGGRESSION as well as
collective panic and epilepsies;
(2) organic modifications, including functional
difficulties
and lesions affecting gastro intestinal, cardio vascular,
respiratory, sexual, endocrine, skin, urinary, and neuro
muscular systems.

It is INTERESTING, and SLIGHTLY HORRIFYING,
to note that the ONLY SCIENTIFIC RELEVANCE of
the standard six hour school day that I have been able
to detect in research is that Sawrey and Weisz quite
by accident found that six hours on and six hour off of
"EXECUTIVE BEHAVIOR" in monkeys was the ONLY
TIME STRUCTURE that INDUCED DEATH PRODUCING
ULCERS.



----- Original Message -----
From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D."

To:
Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:31 AM
Subject: How does diagnosis shape treatment?

How does diagnosis shape treatment?

Nearly every week I have a visit from Jerry Howe, who
publicizes himself as The Puppy Wizard. Jerry is a
master at behavioral modification of dogs.

His fundamental bedrock is the work Pavlov's last student,
the late Sam Corson, Ph.D., did at the U of Ohio (at Oxford,O).

Sam always pointed out if the dog stopped working for
you in the lab, Pavlov and he always took the dog away
from the lab, and put him in a loving home and gave him
TLC for a couple of months, and then started, very carefully,
over again.

Jerry believes that reward and constraint focused training
is immoral. I've watched him in one short session calm
impossible dogs, just about to be murdered (oops "put to
sleep") because of their "incorrigibly" violent behavior.

Sam was one of the first people to apply amphetamine to
hyperactivity (he searched the Middle West for hyperactive
dogs); but he never lost sight of the fundamental reality that
a dog is not a human, but does respond, doggily, to dog love.

You might be surprised to go to B. F. Skinner's "Cumulative
Record" and read the essay by Breland and Breland, "The
Misbehavior of Organisms".

Animals cannot be successfully trained unless the
trainer attends to the evolutionary history, the individual's
developmental history, and the environmental niche of
the animal being trained.

Yep, right there in Skinner's last and summary book.
Even with behavior mod, you must know the animal.

snip

Dogs or little boys, you have to know the individual history,
and the nature of he disorder.

Dr. Von

PS if you are interested in dogs, then take a look at Jerry's
work,


From: TooCool )

The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method

I have studied canine behavior and dog training for
years. I have a huge library that covers every system
of training.

The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training
Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced,
the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training
method yet discovered.

It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is
a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem
and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically
consistent manner.

Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to
understand the basis of his system and please follow
his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece.
It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed
descriptions about why behavior problems occur and
how their solution should be approached.

One should not pick and choose from among his methods
based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is not
a
bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system for not
only training a dog but for raising a loving companion.

When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for
you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it
produces for your dog the owner of his dreams.

You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle
with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you
praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you
will become the center of your dogs world, if you use
Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes
just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your
dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15
seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to
lie quietly and let me clip his nails).

Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction /
praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to
train you dog to respond to your commands.

What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old
puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would
carry him in response to my recall command-and he
comes running every time I call no matter where we are
or what he is doing.

At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon
his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and
his Family Pack Leadership exercises.

Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you
scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him,
if you force him then his natural response is to oppose
you.

Is Jerry a nut?

It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not.
It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based upon
their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry
wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply
when he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding
or hurting dogs.

More than that, he knows that force is not effective
and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems;
sometime problems so severe that people put their
dogs down because of those problems.

I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control
their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been
at our wits' end, haven't we?

Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific
literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs
respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind
to praise.

Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he
wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise.
You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will
dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate
along with their anxiety.

Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End
Training Method as a scientific principle just as you
would the law of gravity and you will have astounding
success.

Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity.

If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet little
Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little gremlin
(anyone see The Gremlins?). --Larry


From: Mike )
Subject: Info. on the puppy wizard?
Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST

Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said.

Mike


Ok Mike which part worked for you?


It helped clear problems from my dogs in the
field using the can penny distraction technique.

Works like a charm.

My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie,
retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did
I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team
Leader.

Sorry that slipped my mind.

I have read volumes of training books and don't
know where people get that Jerry copied others
work as I have NEVER come across his methods
before. I would like to see proof.

Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one
at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to
the way I wanted them but this is backward, you
train out the problems leaving what you want left over.

Funny part is the second dog who had the same
problems as the other didn't need correcting for
some of his habits after I cleared it from the first
dog.

Seemed he learned through osmosis.

Nice side benefit there.

It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party
trainer as they were not performing well. The
VAST majority of working dog trainers are
agressive in their actions with the dogs.

I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I
was at my "Whits End" then someone I new
turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history.

I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual
and all have had great results. Starting puppies
out on the distraction technique is especially
good because they never develop the habit.

I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down
stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home
following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and
put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after
2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG
FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened
in all my days.

Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple.

Mike

----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry M Male"
To: "The Puppy Wizard"
Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 12:44 PM
Subject: Cocker with ear infection

Thanks Jerry,


I enjoyed the scientific discussion debunking
operant conditioning for teaching thinking animals.
Humans think by forming concepts. All of their
knowledge is held as a hierarchy of concepts
(more complex concepts defined in terms of
simpler ones). In my mind, to treat such a being
as a B. F. Skinner robot is criminal.

I don't believe that dogs hold their knowledge
as concepts as do humans but their ability to
think is unquestionable.

Operant conditioning doesn't utilize an animal's
ability to think. When you show a dog what you
want them to do, then they are able to grasp the
problem; they are able to think about it and to
integrate possible solutions into their mind.

But with operant conditioning a trainer is actually
hiding the problem to be solved from the animal.

For example, it is good for your dog's attention to
be upon you. When heeling, he will notice your
movements, your subtle hand signals, your facial
expressions and he will immediately sense your
next command. But the clicker trainers have forgotten
the reasons why a dog's attention should be upon you.

So they condition a dog to unnaturally cock his head
to stare upward at you. The dog doesn't appreciate
the meaning of this and neither does the trainer. Since
this unnatural behavior is prized in the obedience ring,
the clicker trainers are motivated to condition it.

Don't you think that the "high five" hand shake that
clicker trainers use to motivate novices looks like a
Nazi salute (an unthinking reflex). It is not at all like
a warm hand shake from a loving companion, is it?

Some of your testimonials bring tears to my eyes. I
love to see how some "thinking" people appreciate
your methods.

--Larry



From: AIMEE )
Subject: House training and such...
Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST

I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel,
relieving himself in the house while I'm away
from home.

I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out
for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident".

Today, I had hoped that the results would be just as
good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours).

The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would
relieve himself in the house and I would point at the
mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog".

That made him afraid to relieve himself in the house
or infront of me.

After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my
mishandling of these instances.

When I came home to an "accident", I would simply
drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?"
Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I was
the least bit upset about the mess, and when he looked
at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're a good dog".

This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the
Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of...

Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys the
"snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's methods
by alternating sounds and praising him while or before
he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's been going into
the room with the cat box and barking. That's because
he's thinking about getting into the box, but he knows he
shouldn't.

Thank you, Jerry, for all you help. You've been a
blessing to all of us.

AIMEE

===================

From: AIMEE ):

I own a black an tan coonhound. We got him
as a puppy, and due to constant mishandling
(pulling on his lead, negative corrections, and
the occasional use of a bark collar) I ended
up with a very anxious dog.

I couldn't leave him home alone, I couldn't
crate him, I couldn't even take my dog for
walks because he feared EVERYTHING.

I was going to have to get rid of him if things
didn't turn around.

My husband and I searched the internet for
answers - AND WE FOUND THE PUPPY WIZARD.

For all of you disbeliveers out there HIS METHODS WORK!

I've followed his manual, and we now have a
dog that can be left home alone, that heels
on command, that can go outside and NOT
be afraid of everything he sees.

Not only have his methods helped our dog, but
our marriage has gotten better. We had fallen
into a rut - constant bickering and tension, we
never laughed or had FUN together - but now,
with the same mindset used in THE PUPPY
WIZARDS dog training, our communications
channels have opened, and we now work
together instead of against one another.

For all the "Literalists" out there, NO WE DID
NOT TEACH EACH OTHER TO SIT, STAY,
OR HEEL.

We simply eliminated the nagging and the
acting out to get NEGATIVE attention from
one another since we weren't getting
the POSITIVE attention we wanted.

So, it's been proven - THE PUPPY WIZARDS
METHODS WORK.

It's up to you to accept them. Yes, there's alot
of blame that we have to accept, but once we
realize that we've caused these problems to
arise, we can strive to make things better.

AIMEE


All truth passes through three stages.
First, it is ridiculed.
Second, it is violently opposed.
Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.
-Arthur Schopenhauer

"Thank you for fighting the fine fight--
even tho it's a hopeless task,
in this system of things.
As long as man is ruling man,
there will be animals (and humans!)
abused and neglected. :-(
Your student," Juanita.

"If you've got them by the balls their hearts
and minds will follow,"
John Wayne.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard. {} ; ~ )



ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES?

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