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Old February 24th 05, 07:12 PM
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Before you buy a puppy, ASK...

=B7 Is this litter registered with the American Kennel Club --
www.akc.org?
=B7 Are you an Accredited Breeder -- www.accreditedbreeder.org?
=B7 Do I receive the dog's registration certificate at the time of
purchase?
=B7 What is the age of the litter's mother?
=B7 What is the number and frequency of her litters?
=B7 Are the parents of this puppy permanently identified by DNA
profiling, microchip, or tattoo?
=B7 Do you make use of health screening systems on your breeding stock:
DNA testing, hip dysplasia, elbow dysplasia and eye conditions?
=B7 Has this puppy been socialized?
=B7 Do I receive written advice, in a puppy sales folder, on
continuation of socialization, exercise and future training?
=B7 Do I receive written advice, in a puppy sales folder, on feeding and
worming schedules?
=B7 Do I receive a written record, in the puppy sales folder, on the
immunization measures taken?
=B7 In the next year, can I contact you over the telephone for advice?
=B7 Is there a contract of sale for the puppy?
=B7 What possible health problems might this dog develop?
=B7 How big will the dog get?
=B7 How old will he be before he acts like an adult dog?
=B7 How protective will the dog be?
=B7 How often will the dog need to be groomed?
=B7 How does he get along with other animals?
=B7 How long can he be left alone at home?
=B7 How much exercise does the dog need?
=B7 What are the best training methods for this dog?

Ask these questions and then buy with confidence!

http://rocknrollover.com/cgi-bin/puppy.pl?puppy

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Old February 25th 05, 07:53 AM
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On 24 Feb 2005 10:12:12 -0800 whittled these words:
Before you buy a puppy, ASK...


· Is this litter registered with the American Kennel Club --
www.akc.org?

There are many breeds in which it is not appropriate to register with the
American Kennel Club. There are good registries other than AKC, and many
bad ones. There are some breeds where it is very suspicious if the dogs
are not AKC registered, and other breeds where the expectation is that
they will be registered with their own registry.

· Are you an Accredited Breeder -- www.accreditedbreeder.org?


Of coursea merely complying with the standards set there isn't sufficient
to properly protect either puppies or buyers. It is hard to tell if the
listing of health screening is intended to be complete. In any case it
will certainly mislead potential buyers because it is both incomplete and
unclear on that point. For many breeds BAER testing is critical, and in
many breeds various forms of cardiac screeening is necessary. There are
many other screenings that are missing from that list. A big problem is
that is isn't just the buyers that don't know what is missing, the
breeders usually don't either.

· Do I receive the dog's registration certificate at the time of
purchase?


· What is the age of the litter's mother?


A reasonable question, but in order to make use of the answer you have to
have a clear idea on what a "good" and "bad" answer is. Most buyers don't
know that and can't easily get that information. Furthermore the "good"
answer will be to some degree breed dependent.

· What is the number and frequency of her litters?


Same issue

· Are the parents of this puppy permanently identified by DNA
profiling, microchip, or tattoo?


Ys, this is usually a good idea.

· Do you make use of health screening systems on your breeding stock:
DNA testing, hip dysplasia, elbow dysplasia and eye conditions?


See above

· Has this puppy been socialized?
· Do I receive written advice, in a puppy sales folder, on
continuation of socialization, exercise and future training?
· Do I receive written advice, in a puppy sales folder, on feeding and
worming schedules?
· Do I receive a written record, in the puppy sales folder, on the
immunization measures taken?
· In the next year, can I contact you over the telephone for advice?
· Is there a contract of sale for the puppy?
· What possible health problems might this dog develop?
· How big will the dog get?
· How old will he be before he acts like an adult dog?
· How protective will the dog be?
· How often will the dog need to be groomed?
· How does he get along with other animals?
· How long can he be left alone at home?
· How much exercise does the dog need?
· What are the best training methods for this dog?


Ask these questions and then buy with confidence!


I think thre are quite a few more questions to ask.
http://www.dog-play.com/checklist.html

The "Accredited Breeder" program looks good on its face but I suspect that
buyers will actually think it is meaningful and give it more weight than
it deserves. I'm troubled by some language for example instead of just
asking that members comply with the breed club code of ethics the
application limits compliance to number/frequency of litters. The members
appear to be entirely free to sell at retail, auctions and other means
prohibited by mose codes of ethics. Many codes of ethics require breeders
to take back what they have bred at any age - no such requirement appears
in that membership list.

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Diane Blackman
http://dog-play.com/
http://dogplay.com/Shop/
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Old February 25th 05, 08:26 AM
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On 24 Feb 2005 10:12:12 -0800 whittled these words:


· Are you an Accredited Breeder --
www.accreditedbreeder.org?

It was fascinating to see who the "Accredited Breeder" organization stole
their website design from
http://usgovernmentinformation.com/check_my_orders.html
And to see the images stolen from that site.

Not exactly a credible organization. Which is hardly a surprise as
Michelle has a history here and it is her phone number that is given as
the organization's number.


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Diane Blackman
http://dog-play.com/
http://dogplay.com/Shop/
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Old February 28th 05, 07:08 PM
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"just asking that members comply with the breed club code of ethics the
application limits compliance to number/frequency of litters."

But don't some breeders breed when the bitch is like 8 months or
earlier maybe?

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Old March 1st 05, 08:29 AM
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On 28 Feb 2005 10:08:33 -0800 whittled these words:
"just asking that members comply with the breed club code of ethics the
application limits compliance to number/frequency of litters."


But don't some breeders breed when the bitch is like 8 months or
earlier maybe?


Sure, but age of breeding is not the only important point to hold
breeders to in regard to the breed club code of ethics. The breed club
code of ethics is a minimum. Most codes of ethics are not sufficient to
describe a responsible breeder although they are increasingly heading in
that direction. Fr example, te Rottweiler club's "Mandatory Practices"
sets the bar high, as it should. If everyone followed it many thousands
fewer dogs would die.

Here are some clauses from a typical code of ethics which are important
factors in responsible breeding:

4. To ensure that my dogs are not a nuisance to my neighbors or my
community.

6. To accept full responsibility for every dog that I breed. To sell on a
contract that ensures that I am contacted whenever the owner cannot keep a
dog at any time in the dog's life. To assist in the placement of the dog
or accept its return. As owner of a stud dog, to offer stud services only
to those breeders who accept full responsibility for what they breed.

7. To under no circumstances, surrender a dog or a puppy to a humane
society or shelter. If the animal is unplaceable because it has a
destructive temperament, is seriously injured, terminally ill or it would
be inhumane to prolong life, to take responsibility for the euthanizing of
the dog.

11. To never supply an animal to pet shops, commercial brokers or dealers,
raffles or similar projects.

A breeder who fails on any of these points is not a responsible breeder.


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Diane Blackman
http://dog-play.com/
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Old March 6th 05, 04:20 AM
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This is good advice, my wife bought me a dog for my 27th birthday. I
had a love for beagles, she had a love for Aussie Shepherds. She saw
an ad in the paper for Aussie Shep-Beagle mixes for sale, only $50.
She picked him up at a farm outside of Phoenix. She brought him home
a, a cute little brown, white and black puppy with floppy ears. Now,
two years later he has grown in to a monster size dog with a head the
size of a Beagle. Sure he howls like a beagle and he loves to follow
his nose, but we have yet to see any resemblence to a Aussie Shephard.
We think he is more like a Collie or German Shephard. He is big and
has an intimidating bark strangers, so we are wary of him around our 1
year old baby. We are doing everything we can to socialize him, but we
are not sure about his history and we think he was taken from his
littermates too early. We don't want to get rid of him yet, because we
fell in love with him. So we only let the baby near him when he is
muzzled and we are supervising. But in the future, we will certainly
follow the advice above.

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Old March 14th 05, 05:44 PM
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· Are you an Accredited Breeder -- www.accreditedbreeder.org?


It was fascinating to see who the "Accredited Breeder" organization stole
their website design from
http://usgovernmentinformation.com/check_my_orders.html
And to see the images stolen from that site.

Not exactly a credible organization. Which is hardly a surprise as
Michelle has a history here and it is her phone number that is given as
the organization's number.


:-) Yeah, I'm sure that a lot of people remember rocknrollover.com's
repeated and futile attempts to sell that "very show-quality" puppy -
which are apparently still going on over a year later. Starting an
"organization" in order to try to make themselves look better seems
to be going pretty far, but hey - whatever it takes, right? *g*

Of course not everyone is so easily amused... look what someone
forwarded to an email list I'm on today:

-----

Forwarded Message:
Subj: [SD-L] Warning from Westminster
Date: 3/14/2005 9:44:12 AM Eastern Standard Time


We have been advised recently that an organization calling itself "The
Accredited Breeder Foundation" is claiming on its web site
( http://www.debateinfo.com/index.htm) to have some affiliation with The
Westminster Kennel Club. We assure you that this is not the case.

The person / organization at this web site is unknown to us. We have never
heard of this organization and we have nothing to do with it. They use
many names in their listing of winners and board members that are identical
or at least similar to names in our history in an apparent attempt to bring
some credibility to their organization.

Our legal people are pursuing this even as we speak.

Please cross post and share my response freely.

David Frei
Director of Communications
The Westminster Kennel Club
www.westminsterkennelclub.org

 




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