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Dog pulling on leash
Why are you posting this discussion to alt.music.saxophone?
It's Only Alimentary, Dear Watson wrote: "The Methods, Principles, And Philosophy Of Behavior Never Change, Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Would Not Obtain Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results For All Handler's And All Dogs, For ALL FIELDS And ALL UTILITIES ALL OVER The Whole Wild World NEARLY INSTANTLY, As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual," The Puppy Wizard. {} ; ~ ) You can TRAIN ANY DOG KAT BIRDY or CHILD in a few minutes to NATURALLY WANT to do ANY THING you ask if you DON'T follow the ADVICE of the lying dog kat birdy and child abusing MENTAL CASES you're askin for HEELP. You GET The Critter You TRAINED A DOG Is A Dog; As A KAT Is A KAT; As A BIRDY Is A BIRDY; As A CHILD IS A CHILD; As A SP-HOWES Is a SP-HOWES. ALL Behavior Problems Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING ALL Critters Only Respond In PREDICTABLE INNATE NORMAL NATURAL INSTINCTIVE REFLEXIVE Ways; To Situations And Circumstances Of Their Environment Which We Create For Them. Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture." We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions And GET BACK What We TAUGHT. Dr. George VonHilsheimer writes in "Is there a SCIENCE of BEHAVIOR?": "Valette 1966 is a complete trivialization of scientific findings. It overstates the case for reinforcement theory. No careful researcher would contend that operant techniques CAN ANY THING MORE than modify SHORT TERM BEHAVIOR in a highly controlled and limited environment with a large number of skillful experimenters. Certainly the most elaborate studies have shown that the withdrawal or temprary inefficiency of the reward system is immediately followed by CESSATION of the programmed behavior. In fortunate contrast to this depressing paper is the research reported by Whelan (1966) who makes the simple but profHOWEND caveat that "It is only through CORRECT, EFFICIENT APPLICATION (of operant principles) that children's behavor can be changed to the extent that they can subsequently contribute to the REAL WORLD in which they live." " "The Methods, Principles And Philosophy Of Behavior Never Change, Or They'd Not Be Scientific And Would Not Obtain Consistent, Reliable, Fast, Effective Results For All Handler's And All Dogs, As Taught In Your FREE Copy Of The Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual," The Amazing Puppy Wizard. {} ; ~ ) Dr. Von continues: "Whelan illustrates the simple nature or the learning process by referring to Ferster's engaging study of two three year old chimpanzees taught mathematics through simple procedures. Whelan carries this EVIDENCE a step futher by pointing HOWET it's applicability to disturbed children." A Dog Is A Dog As A Child Is A Child As A Kat Is A Kat. All Critters Only Respond In Predictable Innate, Normal, Natural, Instinctive, Reflexive, Ways To Circumstances And Situations Of Their Environments Which We Create For Them. ALL BEHAVIOR PROBLEMS ARE CAUSED BY MISHANDLING. Damn The Descartean War of "Nature Vs Nurture." We Teach By HOWER Words And Actions And GET BACK What We TAUGHT. In The Problem Animal Behavior BUSINESS FAILURE MEANS DEATH. SAME SAME SAME SAME, For The Problem Child Behavior BUSINESS. Dr. Von continues: "If chimpanzees CAN LEARN mathematics through step by step learning AT THEIR OWN PACE, reinforced primarily by CORRECT ANSWERS rather than with "fruit loops and rasins", we can assume that even developmentally RETARDED or CONfHOWENDED children CAN LEARN as well. Moreover, Whelan makes the EXXXTREMELY important point that while most teachers assume that learning takes place verbally, primarily it is a non verbal process.. Unfortunately Whelan limits himself to the problem that "teachers must not only modify or remove specific deviant behaviors, but must also develop socially acceptable behavior patterns in the classroom and classroom conditioned goals, NOT LEARNING. Other researchers have emphasized the importance ofadult behaviors in conditioning classroom behavior. An EXXXCELLENT review of this researchshowd that tantrum behavior, excessive crawling and dependency, isolated play, passivity, spelling failure, and other problem behaviorscan be managed by altering habitual adult responses to children (Harris, Wolf and Baer, 1964) . Such RESEARCHholds GREATER PROMISE in that alteration of the conditioning social environment seems to provide more STABLE and LASTING CHANGES than "M and M's". Moreover, a great deal of work has been done developing EFFECTIVE techniques of behavior modificaton through the conditioning social environment of peers (Hartup, 1964). These directions would seem more PRODUCTIVE than a simple minded trainslation of the Skinner cage to the classroom. Skinner (1963) pointed HOWET that operant techniques can "be utilized fully ONLY IF we REDEFINE the GOALS of education and the CONDITIONS in the educational environment under which those goals may be reached... (through) a DIFFERENT KIND of educational research which is much more closely concerned with the immediate dimensions of the student's behavior than with gross changes such as IMPROVED PERFORMANCES." UNFORTUNATELY, neither Skinner nor ANY OTHER learning theorist has provided us with a working model of a school or research enterprise based on systemic and thorough-going APPLICATION of LEARNING PRINCIPLES. Skinner (1948, 1953) approaches a definition of the philosophical issues involved, and provides an utopian model of a school, but generally psychologists seem STUCK at a level of MANAGEMENT of an aggressively disturbing child in the classroom, through peer approval, or the aplication of accelerating CONsequences in the classroom, or scientifically S-HOWENDING tactics like "TIME HOWET" (which we used to know more simply as "sendin the kid to the cloakroom"). Hobbs (op. cit.) claims that the classroom is a natural environement for the child. Thelen (1965) contends that "classroom practices are UNnatural, UNreasonable, and 'against NATURE.' ". This would seem the central issue for the philosophy of education. Mere trivial application of research findings to an institution essentially unchanged from Sumerian academies (Kramer, 1962) will NOT create useful teaching for human beings. It seems relevant to ask EXXXACTLY WHAT do we know abHOWT the learning situation in which HOWER children find themselves, and why, in the light of HOWER knowledge, do we do any of the things that schools do?" We know that there is little agreement among adults as to what it is they are SUPPOSED to be DOING, what something to do could be that MIGHT be EFFECTVE, and what it IS that other people who have authority over children ought to be doing (Mc- Eachern and Taylor, 1967). Wherefor the child's CONfusiHOWEN? It is NO WONDER hat the marked changes in deviant behavior of children can be achieved through brief, simple educative routines with their mothers which modify the mother's social behaviors shaping the child (Whaler, 1966). Some clinics have reported ELIMINATION ofthe need for child THERAPY through changing the clinical emphasis from clinical to parental HANDLING of the child (Szrynski 1965). A large number of cases improved sufficiently after preliminary contact with parents that NO treatment of children was required, and almost ALL cases SHOWE a remarkably shortened period for therapy. Quite severe cases of anorexia nervosa have been treated in own to five months by simply REPLACING the parents temporarily with EFFUSIVELY LOVING SUBSTITUTES (Groen, 1966). Probably the most absurd figure in Amaerican mass media is the TEACHER (Gerbner, 1966). HOWE can we EXXXPECT children to LEARN responsible P-HOWER from models of IMPOTENCE? We KNOW that LEARNING a complex ritualized social role, is facilitated by observation of an INTELLIGIBLE MODEL much more effectively than by trial and error with REINFORCEMENT. roles which are relatively arbitrary and senseless are the most difficult to learn (Luchins, 1966). Do we make ANY EFFORT as teachers to CORRECT the massive impact of media? HOWE can the ARBITRARINESS and SENSELESSNESS of IMPOTENT ADULT MODELS be redeemed by anything short of RELEVANCE and COMMITMENT? As an engaging final comment on the PROFESSION let me mention the little study by Dittman et al (1965) tha when 15 psychotherapists and 9 professional dancers evaluated facial and bodily expressons for effect the dancers ere much MOORE accurate. Need we say MOORE abHOWET the training of therapists? THE OPERANT FALLACY Programs utilizing the "contingencies of reinforcement model" proposed by Skinner (1963) ar no more well established in research than the various dynamic therapists. Research in four areas : 1) direct evaluation of programmed systems for elarning; 2) reinforcement; 3) cognitive dissonance; and 4) motivation, MOST SURELY DEMOLISH eth claims of operant programers. The 190 studies annotated by Schramm (1964) when inspected display NO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES in SUCCESS among approaches and modifications. Programmed instruction is no worse than conventional instruction, and takes less time, but time reductions in conventional instruction has frequently been shown possible without detrimental effects. If you draw your controls cagily you can always show the superiority of your PET technique. Moore and Smit (1964) compared variations on programmed materials, machines, texts, written responses, merely reading, free response, multiple choice, and iving or not giving the students results. There were NO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES despite Skinner's insistence on the importance of the CONTINGENCY of REINFORCEMENT. Carpenter and Greenhill (1963) could find NO DIFFERENCE in RESULTS even after eliminating the self-pacing feature by presenting the materials by TV or Video. Krumboltz and Kiesler (1965) reported that a two month follow up test showed NO DIFFERENCE between students given a variety of reinforcement schedules. Mayo and Longo (1966) report that naval and marine trainees saved 30% of time in learning electronics fundamentals through a programed course witrh superior scores on one measure but not on another, and with no follow-up reported. The same authors reported a reductionj from 26 HOWERS to 19 HOWERS in instruction time through the use of program with NO DIFFERENCE in test scores, except that as longer blocks of materiallearned through programmed meanswere tesed the scores DECREASED. When the control instruction is manipulated an entirely DIFFERENT picture emerges Jacobs and Kulkarni (1966) assignedstudents in three different schools to classes with standard programmed material giving immediate knowledge of results to classes without results and to classes with the order of sections of the program inverted. In two schools the groups without knowledge of results and the groups with inverted material SCORED HIGHER. In one school there was NO DIFFERENCE. So much for THEORY. Reid and Taylor (1965) presented a linear program on paper-making to 60 paid undergrads with a 12 week follow up test. The group which merely read learned the same material in 154 minutes to 243 minutes for the group given responses- a REVERSAL of the usual BIASED RESULTS based on POOR CON-TROLLS. There were no differences on post tests. Spagnoli (1965) reports on a study exposing the control and programed group to the same material in a concentrated effort over a limited period of time. There were NO SIGNIFICANT DIFFERENCES. Sassenrath and Garverick (1965) gave 4 matched groups of 120 students four procedures: 1) looking up the wrong answers, 2) having questions discussed by the instructors, 3) checking answers from correct ones on the board, and 4) no feedback. The discussion method proved best. Finally, in studying means of training men to perform a 72 action prcedure on Nike-Hercules equipment, Cox and Boren (1965) demonstrated that the time required to learn the procedure to critterion was NO DIFFERENT when the actions were organized into seven operant spans and taught in reverse order, in natural order, or without grouping into operant spans at all. IT IS CLEAR that as comparisons became more sophisticated programed instruction and other operant teaching techniquesreveal tehemselves as simply another prestigiHOWES FAD--somewhat better than conventional instruction in saving time, but certainly not providing a better or better organized or more independently useful GRASP of KNOWLEDGE. The IMBECILITY of some ofthe claims for operant technique simply take the breath away. Lovas et al (1966) report a standard contingent reward/punishment procedure developing imitative speech in two severly disturbed non verbal schizophrenic boys. After twenty- six days the boys are reported to have been learning new words with alacrity. HOWEver, when REWARDS were moved to a delayed contingency the behavoir and learning immediately deteriorated. Despite this, and despite the fact that there was no evidence of cognitive association with the words, the authors leap to the conclusion that the fact that the boys improved in the acquisition of Norwegian words WITHOUT REWARDS while still being given English words WITH REWARDS suggest hat the children may be able to acquire new behaviors on their own. The need for this study escapes one, particularly in view of the very well established fact that schizophrenics condition quite readily (Mednick, 1958) One can see the "SCIENTIFIC" PRECISION by which the authors drop contingent reinforcements thus PROVING that the parrot behavior was indeed caused by the schedule and NOT by some other mystical force. The useof Norwegian to demonstrate learning that could not even remotely be related to previous history is a grotesquery too bizarre to be credited. Who could possibly doubt that this useless and probably damaging trained seal routine depended on the psychologist's antics? What on earth led them to believe that a schizophrenic needs even more other- focused responsiveness? Lovaas et al (1965) reportedthree programs carried out on five year old autistic twins conditioining them to "social behavior" and to eliminate pathologial behaviors such as self-stimulation and tantrums. Affectionate and other social behaviors toward adults increaseed after adults had been associated with shock reduction. The routine for this treatment brings immediate relief to mind Sawrey and Wesz (1956) routine for producing ulcers in monkeys. I suppose it is USELESS to speculate on the source of SO CALLED THERAPISTS willingness to experiment on human beings with procedures for which there is sound experimentally established WARNINGS. If the "double blind" theory of the origin of schizophrenia (Bateson, 1956) is at all valid, HOWE DEVASTATING the experience must ULTIMATELY BE. Do Lovaas et al REALLY BELIEVE the schizophrenic has no cognitive processes and DOES NOT KNOW WHO IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SHOCK? Greger (1965) criticized this study on the basis that trainsfer CANNOT be generalized. That issue can be answered by experience, and, of curse, the "social" behavior of these children deteriorates as soon as the psychologists LOOSE INTEREST. The IMPORTANT ISSUE for a SCIENCE OF BEHAVIOR is why not attempt those things which are KNOWN to WORK at least in some cases if only for control puporses. Kanner (1954) reports that 13 classically autistic children improved enough to go to school without "anything that is regarded as good psychotherapy or as psychotherapy at all..." Autistic children have been known to become permenantely social by deinstitutionalization, BY REMOVAL from the parents, BY RADICAL CHANGES in other environments, and by MASSIVE DOSAGE of TOUCHING, HOLDING, FONDLING LOVE DESPITE THE REJECTION OF THE CHILD. My case, Larry, (vonHilsheimer, 1965b), demonstrates a recovery by using the mother as an autistic boy's teacher in an open millieu. It is curiHOWES that the operant technicians provide as few, and as UNIMAGINITAVE controls for thier "research" as the Freudians. REWARD / PUNISHMENT Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVER LEARNING THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT. Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated HOWE we escape the phenomenon that an expected reward not received is experienced as a punishment and can produce extensive and persistent aggression (Azrin et al, 1966). MIMICRY, PLAY, EXPLORATION AND THE NEED FOR DATA Complex activities are LEARNED MORE QUICKLY through OBSERVATION (copying, if you will) than by trial and error with reinforcemet (Luchins,). Observers of subjects making a first trial of a multiple choice bolt head maze made fewer errors than the practiced subjects in the second run, while subjects who have been shocked for error on a first trial made more errors than either (Rosenbaum & Hewitt, 1966). Students will modify their beliefs more when rewarded for the way in which they carried out arguing for a disagreeable position (role reward), than when rewarded for the content of the argument (Wallace, 1966). ====================== From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." To: Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:31 AM Subject: How does diagnosis shape treatment? How does diagnosis shape treatment? Nearly every week I have a visit from Jerry Howe, who publicizes himself as The Puppy Wizard. Jerry is a master at behavioral modification of dogs. His fundamental bedrock is the work Pavlov's last student, the late Sam Corson, Ph.D., did at the U of Ohio (at Oxford,O). Sam always pointed out if the dog stopped working for you in the lab, Pavlov and he always took the dog away from the lab, and put him in a loving home and gave him TLC for a couple of months, and then started, very carefully, over again. Jerry believes that reward and constraint focused training is immoral. I've watched him in one short session calm impossible dogs, just about to be murdered (oops "put to sleep") because of their "incorrigibly" violent behavior. Sam was one of the first people to apply amphetamine to hyperactivity (he searched the Middle West for hyperactive dogs); but he never lost sight of the fundamental reality that a dog is not a human, but does respond, doggily, to dog love. You might be surprised to go to B. F. Skinner's "Cumulative Record" and read the essay by Breland and Breland, "The Misbehavior of Organisms". Animals cannot be successfully trained unless the trainer attends to the evolutionary history, the individual's developmental history, and the environmental niche of the animal being trained. Yep, right there in Skinner's last and summary book. Even with behavior mod, you must know the animal. snip Dogs or little boys, you have to know the individual history, and the nature of he disorder. Dr. Von PS if you are interested in dogs, then take a look at Jerry's work, INTRO TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING MANUAL George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D. F.R.S.H. Several years ago one of my old students telephoned to me and asked me what I knew about Doggie Do Right, a device to cause your neighbor's dog to stop barking. I had not heard of the device, nor its inventor, Jerry Howe, but I telephoned, read his website, and told my graduate that I thought the device was worth a trial - indeed I shut up the dogs in my neighborhood by turning on Jerry's supersonic device. After all we all know that dogs respond to whistles humans cannot hear, so why not respond to "attaboy" sounds which humans cannot hear. My student lived far from my Florida homestead, so he tried it on the three incredibly savage, hyperactive and noisy dogs who lived behind a tall fence just 3 feet back of his bedroom. Hot rats! The device worked, Andy got his sleep and I didn't think much of the matter again. A few months ago I had new neighbors on each side of my house, four of them, all with noisy unshuttupable dogs. Argh! So I foned Andrew in Virgina, received the intelligence that his neighbors dogs were still quiet, and then I foned Jerry Howe, the inventor of Doggie Do Right, who came to visit me. Merlin walked into my office. Jerry is a slender fellow with a belly button lenghth grey beard tapering down his chest. I liked him immediately, and I applied his instrument to the neighborhood again which again became silent. It occured to me that if this ultrasonic field worked with dogs that we ought at least to ask the question, what happens to humans in range of the device??? I asked Jerry to give me a list of customers and began inquiring among them. One thing became immediately evident. The Doggie Do Right not only shuts up your neighbors' dogs, it calms and modifies your husband's behavior. Holey Moley, Captain Marvel, this device has major potential. In the meantime Jerry gave me a copy of his Wits End Dog Training Manual. I was delighted. He also introduced me to the world of professional dog trainers some of whom even have Ph.D.s in psychology. This was not such a delight as it appeared that none of these luminaries had actually read Skinner, Lazarus or other fountains of wisdom in psychology. Indeed, it seemed as though they knew very little about the laws of behavior at all! Punishment and confrontation seemed to be their major stock in trade. Well, if you go to my website, www.drbiofeedback.com you can read of the career of Sam Corson, I.P. Pavlov's last student. Sam demonstrated that rehabilitation of hyperactive dogs can easily and readily be done using TLC, tender loving care is at the root of the scientific management of doggies. Pavlov told us so 100 years ago. So what are these degreed morons doing punishing dogs, and shouting "NO" into their doggie faces? If you pick up B.F.Skinner's last book, CUMULATIVE RECORD, included in it is an essay by Keller Breland and Maryann Breland entitled THE MISBEHAVIOR OF ORGANISMS. Skinner deliberately included his students' chapter to emphasize that you cannot manage the behavior of animals unless you take into consideration 1. the animal's evolutionary niche (who is the animal?); 2. the animal's personal history (who is the animal?) and 3, the instinctive repetoire of the animal (who is the animal?) and 4. the personality of the animal (who is the animal?). The Brelands moved far from the white rat. "Thirty-eight species, totaling over 6,000 individual animals, have been conditioned, and we have dared to tackle such unlikely subjects as reindeer, cockatoos, raccoons, porpoises, and whales." Jerry Howe spends most of his times with dogs, but he has learned Pavlov's lesson well. Dogs are individuals, they are individual DOGS, and they respond most directly and immediately to love and tender loving care. Read with pleasure, and then go love your dog. George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H. Who's Who Honoree since 1983 From: TooCool ) The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method I have studied canine behavior and dog training for years. I have a huge library that covers every system of training. The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced, the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training method yet discovered. It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically consistent manner. Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to understand the basis of his system and please follow his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece. It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed descriptions about why behavior problems occur and how their solution should be approached. One should not pick and choose from among his methods based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion. When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it produces for your dog the owner of his dreams. You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you will become the center of your dogs world, if you use Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15 seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to lie quietly and let me clip his nails). Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction / praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to train you dog to respond to your commands. What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would carry him in response to my recall command-and he comes running every time I call no matter where we are or what he is doing. At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and his Family Pack Leadership exercises. Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him, if you force him then his natural response is to oppose you. Is Jerry a nut? It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not. It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or hurting dogs. More than that, he knows that force is not effective and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems; sometime problems so severe that people put their dogs down because of those problems. I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been at our wits' end, haven't we? Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind to praise. Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise. You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate along with their anxiety. Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End Training Method as a scientific principle just as you would the law of gravity and you will have astounding success. Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity. If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?). --Larry "TooCool" wrote in message news: ... "Learning Theory"-An Insult to Canines Classical and operant conditioning is founded in what is termed "learning theory". The four rudimentary rules of "learning theory" a Something Good can start or be presented, so behavior increases = Positive Reinforcement (R) Something Good can end or be taken away, so behavior decreases = Negative Punishment (P-) Something Bad can start or be presented, so behavior decreases = Positive Punishment (P) Something Bad can end or be taken away, so behavior increases = Negative Reinforcement (R-) Proponents of "learning theory" believe that no learning can take place without reinforcement or punishment either positive or negative. That is why they employ treats and force. "Learning theory" is a flawed concept for evolutionarily advanced species. Advanced species learn without any external motivation. They are not automatons that merely respond to stimuli. Their evolutionary survival has endowed them with self motivated learning behavior. Canines, in particular, are curious, they love to learn and they exhibit pride in what they have learned. They think-they figure things out. They can invent games to play. They can invent behaviors to drive you crazy. They have emotions-they can be humorous and they can be vindictive-their feelings can be hurt. They can suffer terribly if you don't treat them with respect. They actively seek their environment for new things to learn. They also learn from watching other animals and humans and they mimic their behavior (in the scientific literature this is termed allelomimetic behavior). It is an insult to the intelligence of dogs and to their owners to employ operant conditioning (clicker training). Dogs are not B. F. Skinner robots whose only capacity to learn stems from the four rules of "learning theory". Canines deserve treatment and training that is tailored to their nature. You can literally ruin your dog if your treatment and training does not respect their nature. Please study the Puppy Wizard's Wits' End Training Method. It is the only available method, of which I am aware, that is based upon the true nature of canines. In his system, praise is not used as a reinforcement or motivator, i. e., dogs are not asked to work for praise. --Larry "TooCool" wrote in message news: Planarians are primitive, free-living, flat bodied, freshwater creatures. They can be conditioned to respond to stimuli, display the ability to master a two-choice maze, and can transfer the memory of training from one individual to another by feeding a ground up planarian to another one. It is this primitive level of learning that "Learning Theory" and operant conditioning addresses. Operant conditioning does not rely upon an animal's ability to think. It operates upon a primitive (nervous system) level for animals in general, regardless of the level of their brain development. When you train a dog using clicker training, you are training a mindless reaction to your clicker / reinforcement. Your dog is not learning an idea-he is learning a conditioned reflex. He will perform just like a robot when you give the signal-he can't help it. It has also been shown that when you later withdraw your reinforcement that it will induce stress which will lead to behavior problems-often quite severe. Learning in humans is conceptual. "Learning theory" plays absolutely no part in human learning. Humans do not learn through a process of gaining some reinforcement or avoiding some pain. They study their environment, they form concepts, they learn logic (in order to separate truth from falsity) and using reasoning they attempt to integrate all of their knowledge without contradiction. If humans seem to respond to some reinforcement or to avoid some pain, it is because they have consciously evaluated the various alternatives and have made a reasoned choice--that is not a conditioned behavior and it is not an application of "Learning Theory". Canines are not conceptual animals, but they do possess the ability to think. Their thinking powers are different both in kind and in degree from humans. That is why it is so important to learn their nature in order to train them successfully. Operant conditioning operates at a primitive, nervous system level. It does not take advantage of a dog's ability to think-only his ability to be conditioned. The act of subverting his nature as a thinking creature causes stress and anxiety which can in turn produce behavior problems. Please study the Puppy Wizard's Wits' End Training Method. It is consonant with the nature of a thinking dog. It will not induce stress and anxiety and no behavior problems will result. --Larry From: Mike ) Subject: Info. on the puppy wizard? Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said. Mike Ok Mike which part worked for you? It helped clear problems from my dogs in the field using the can penny distraction technique. Works like a charm. My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie, retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team Leader. Sorry that slipped my mind. I have read volumes of training books and don't know where people get that Jerry copied others work as I have NEVER come across his methods before. I would like to see proof. Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to the way I wanted them but this is backward, you train out the problems leaving what you want left over. Funny part is the second dog who had the same problems as the other didn't need correcting for some of his habits after I cleared it from the first dog. Seemed he learned through osmosis. Nice side benefit there. It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party trainer as they were not performing well. The VAST majority of working dog trainers are agressive in their actions with the dogs. I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I was at my "Whits End" then someone I new turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history. I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual and all have had great results. Starting puppies out on the distraction technique is especially good because they never develop the habit. I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after 2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened in all my days. Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry M Male" To: "The Puppy Wizard" Sent: Saturday, August 21, 2004 12:44 PM Subject: Cocker with ear infection Thanks Jerry, I enjoyed the scientific discussion debunking operant conditioning for teaching thinking animals. Humans think by forming concepts. All of their knowledge is held as a hierarchy of concepts (more complex concepts defined in terms of simpler ones). In my mind, to treat such a being as a B. F. Skinner robot is criminal. I don't believe that dogs hold their knowledge as concepts as do humans but their ability to think is unquestionable. Operant conditioning doesn't utilize an animal's ability to think. When you show a dog what you want them to do, then they are able to grasp the problem; they are able to think about it and to integrate possible solutions into their mind. But with operant conditioning a trainer is actually hiding the problem to be solved from the animal. For example, it is good for your dog's attention to be upon you. When heeling, he will notice your movements, your subtle hand signals, your facial expressions and he will immediately sense your next command. But the clicker trainers have forgotten the reasons why a dog's attention should be upon you. So they condition a dog to unnaturally cock his head to stare upward at you. The dog doesn't appreciate the meaning of this and neither does the trainer. Since this unnatural behavior is prized in the obedience ring, the clicker trainers are motivated to condition it. Don't you think that the "high five" hand shake that clicker trainers use to motivate novices looks like a Nazi salute (an unthinking reflex). It is not at all like a warm hand shake from a loving companion, is it? Some of your testimonials bring tears to my eyes. I love to see how some "thinking" people appreciate your methods. --Larry From: AIMEE ) Subject: House training and such... Date: 2003-10-08 16:18:56 PST I've been having a problem with my dog, Axel, relieving himself in the house while I'm away from home. I've used TPW method's, and yesterday I was out for 12 hours, and Axel didn't have one single "accident". Today, I had hoped that the results would be just as good - and they were (I was out for 11 hours). The problem began when, as a puppy, Axel would relieve himself in the house and I would point at the mess and tell him "NO" or "Bad Dog". That made him afraid to relieve himself in the house or infront of me. After I got TPW's training manual, I corrected my mishandling of these instances. When I came home to an "accident", I would simply drop a can near the area and ask Axel "What's that?" Then I would clean it up - with out showing him I was the least bit upset about the mess, and when he looked at the spot I would tell him "Good boy, you're a good dog". This has been an ongoing problem, and thanks to the Puppy Wizard, we've finally got it taken care of... Also, Axel LOVES the cat's litter box...He enjoys the "snacks" he can find in there...I followed TPW's methods by alternating sounds and praising him while or before he sticks his nose in it, and today, he's been going into the room with the cat box and barking. That's because he's thinking about getting into the box, but he knows he shouldn't. Thank you, Jerry, for all you help. You've been a blessing to all of us. AIMEE =================== From: AIMEE ): I own a black an tan coonhound. We got him as a puppy, and due to constant mishandling (pulling on his lead, negative corrections, and the occasional use of a bark collar) I ended up with a very anxious dog. I couldn't leave him home alone, I couldn't crate him, I couldn't even take my dog for walks because he feared EVERYTHING. I was going to have to get rid of him if things didn't turn around. My husband and I searched the internet for answers - AND WE FOUND THE PUPPY WIZARD. For all of you disbeliveers out there HIS METHODS WORK! I've followed his manual, and we now have a dog that can be left home alone, that heels on command, that can go outside and NOT be afraid of everything he sees. Not only have his methods helped our dog, but our marriage has gotten better. We had fallen into a rut - constant bickering and tension, we never laughed or had FUN together - but now, with the same mindset used in THE PUPPY WIZARDS dog training, our communications channels have opened, and we now work together instead of against one another. For all the "Literalists" out there, NO WE DID NOT TEACH EACH OTHER TO SIT, STAY, OR HEEL. We simply eliminated the nagging and the acting out to get NEGATIVE attention from one another since we weren't getting the POSITIVE attention we wanted. So, it's been proven - THE PUPPY WIZARDS METHODS WORK. It's up to you to accept them. Yes, there's alot of blame that we have to accept, but once we realize that we've caused these problems to arise, we can strive to make things better. AIMEE All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer "Thank you for fighting the fine fight-- even tho it's a hopeless task, in this system of things. As long as man is ruling man, there will be animals (and humans!) abused and neglected. :-( Your student," Juanita. "If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow," John Wayne. The Amazing Puppy Wizard. {} ; ~ ) |
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