A friend told me that it was best and safest for a pup to have a crate
whose divider is fastened both on the top and bottom, rather than a
"hanging" divider or the like.

Does anyone around here have any particular recommendations regarding
such dividers/crates?

HOWEDY miedvied,

Miedvied wrote:

A friend told me that it was best and safest for a pup to
have a crate whose divider is fastened both on the top and
bottom, rather than a "hanging" divider or the like.

You mean in case the pup tries to ESCAPE his crate and
gets hisself crushed between the divider and the floor.

Does anyone around here have any particular recommendations
regarding such dividers/crates?

Dogs HOWEsbreak INSTINCTIVELY at 4 weeks of age, doc.
You can train a puppy to behave hisself alone in abHOWET
two HOWERS if you know HOWE to train a dog withHOWET HURTIN
IT, doc.

Professional dog trainers who don't have the INTELLECT to HOWEtwit the
cunning of the domestic puppy dog EVEN AFTER
The Amazing Puppy Wizard and HIS 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY
INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Students ALL OVER the Whole Wild World told you HOWE they
done it EZ GENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY and FOR FREE, to boot,
GET PAID to tell folks to LOCK their dogs in boxes TOO SMALL
for the pup to **** and BE FORCED to sleep in it, someHOWE
thinkin THAT will HOWEsbreak the dog.

Locking dogs in boxes with no food water or toilet area
and IGNORING their cries MAKES DOGS GO INSANE, doctor.

From: Miedvied
Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 02:08:59 GMT
Subject: Help! My lab is now a pitbull

John wrote:
You need psychological help.*plonk*

Isn't it amazing how you can spend one day on a newsgroup, and identify
the chronic trolls almost immediately?

Addiction, Symbiosis, Denial

HOWEDY People,

The Puppy Wizard has been teaching abHOWET
the nature of stress and it's relationship to behavior
problems and DIS-EASE for many years, but only
for five years to the Whole Wild World, thanks to
the INFORMATION SUPER HIGHWAY, courteHOWESY
of Al Gore.

THANKS, AL!

The recent research at Purdue and UofOH verifying
The Puppy Wizard's HOWEtrageHOWES claims,
leaves the CRUMBS fall where they lay.

The Puppy Wizard is not interested in your COMPLAINTS,
only in your REHABILITATION... That's gonna happen WON
way, or the other... EITHER through EDUCATION or through CRIMINAL
PROSECUTION or TREATMENT as A MENTAL
ILLNESS, like any other ADDICTION.


HOWER DOG LOVERS and PARENTS are ADDICTED
TO PUNISHMENT, cause THAT SATISFIES your fragile
defective ego's and compensates for your inferiority
complexes and weak, selfish, fearful, minds.


You gather here and wring hands as you WATCH
YOUR DOGS KATS and KIDS DYING ON YOU,
and CONTINUE to SHOCK CHOKE CONFINE
PUNISH and KILL your best dogs and kats and do
likeWIZE to your children.


The DOG RESEARCH points to the SAME SAME
SAME SAME conditions under which J.Q. Pubic
raises HOWER kids, and reap the same same
same same, conclusions.


YOU'RE KILLIN YOUR OWN.


You can CHANGE this miserable state of affairs, or
you can go DHOWEN with the ship, and be CANNONIZED
as the Saint's Of DISTRESS, DIS-EASE, and DEATH,
in The Puppy Wizard's Archives, along with ed w of PET
LOSS dot CON and professor SCRUFF SHAKE of the
department of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at UofWI and his
ilk, for the next generations to study and learn abHOWET.


The choice is entirely yours, PET LOVERS and PARENTS.


The Puppy Wizard. } ; ~ )


Can you tell the TRUTH from a LIE?:


Jerome Bigge writes:
I do know that hitting, hurting
your dog will often make the
dog either aggressive or a fear
biter, neither of which we want to do.


And then we got, matty! Follow his discussion!
This is what's called, a liar and dog abuser:


And neither does anyone else,
Jerome. No matter
what Jerry Howe states.


"Just Want To Second Jerry's Method For
Dealing With This I've Suggested It To Quite
A Few Clients Now And It's Worked 'EVERY
TIME The Very First Time' - marilyn, Trainer,
33 Years Experience.


You DO remember KILLFILING MARILYN for her coment above
regarding her success with The Puppy Wizard's Surrogate Toy
Separation Anxiety / Bed Time Calming Technique (STSA/BTCT)?


Perhaps you likeWIZE recall a pediatrician, Dr. Z, who commented
that his bed time calming technique was quite similar?


You're scary Marilyn.


Marilyn must be quite a disturbed
individual. I feel very sorry for her
and her family.


"His Amazing Progress Almost Makes Me Cry.
Your Method Takes Positive Training To The
Next Level And Should Really Be Used By All
Trainers Who Call Themselves Trainers. Thank
You For Helping Me Save His Life," Kay Pierce,
Professional Trainer, 30 Years Experience.


BUT, giving you the benefit of the
doubt, please provide a quote (an
original quote, not from one of Jerry
Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
shows a regular poster promoting or
using an abusive form of training.


BWWWWEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!


--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.


"Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch
Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They
Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse
Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep
The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM"
mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web.


You think HURTING a HUNTING DOG to
MAKE IT HUNT is NECESSARY???


"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It
A Sharp Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know
Jack Wouldn't HaveDone It If He Thought Solo
Couldn't Take It. I Still Crate Him Because
Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My Cat," melanie.


You think allowing a "FEAR AGGRESSIVE MAN
SHY" dog to be BEATEN by a strange male trainer
is INTELLIGENT BEHAVIOR for a DOG LOVER?


"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is A
Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It."mike duforth, author:
"Courteous Canine."


You think HURTIN dogs and CRINGING
is COURTEOUS?


"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?"


Means the author is a dog abuser of the worst magnitude.


"When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first time, spray
one squirt
directly into the dog's mouth and walk away. The dog won't be too
thrilled
with this but just ignore him and continue your normal behavior."


You think HURTING your dog is NORMAL BEHAVIOR?


--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"Courteous Canines"


You think HOWER pal mikey is playin with a full deck?


Yeah. When I preload my dog's mouth with bitter apple,
suppose I don't get used to being stupid and cruel, mikey?


Then HOWE do I train my dog if I can't HURT it?


"I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder,
Grabbed
Her Opposite Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side,
Leaned On Her,
Smartly Growled Into Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly
Nipped Her
Ear," sionnach.


Oh, THANKS, sinofabitch...


And from terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context,
because you are full of bizarro manure."


"Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a
helper wield the stick, or do it yourself.
Tougher, less tractable dogs may require
you to progress to striking them more
sharply," lying frosty dahl, ethical breeder,
expert trainer.


You think a EXXXPERT trainer got to BEAT
a HUNTIN dog to MAKE IT HUNT?


"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.


Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies HURT all
their lives like HOWE HOWER dog lovers PREFER to
HURT THEIR DOGS?


"John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and
gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the
rump with a training stick while holding him partially
off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back
to the line and cast him back to the dummies."


The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies
to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE.


We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL...


terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks"
things is something you twisted out of
context, because you are full of bizarro
manure."


Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the dog in the
chest, step
on its toes, throw him down by his ears and climb all over it like
a raped
ape growling into his throat and bite IT on his ears, or leash pop
it on a
pronged spiked pinch choke collar or pop him in the snout with the
heel of
your palm.



"BethF" wrote in message


...

"Frank" wrote in message
om...
-OFF (Leah) wrote in message



...


"brianev" wrote:
I ENJOYED reading your book, and
AGREED with what you had to say.
I find it sick to hear what people
do with their dogs.
:
Keep in mind that everything he says that
the regular posters of this ng do to their
dogs are lies.
:
All of it. Every last bit.
:
All of it?
:
Ear pinching?
:
Shock collars?
:
Spiked chokers?
:
The regulars lie more in their denials than
Howe does in his accusing of them.
:
Uh, Frank? Who do you see denying anything?
Its quite interesting that a newbie like yourself
would see denials when everyone has Jerry
killfiled and therefore don't even read his posts,
let alone respond to them.
"Rocky" wrote in message


. 1.4...

Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:


When you compare using sound and
praise to solve a problem with using
shock collars, hanging, and punishment
how can you criticize the use of sound?


There's nothing more to be said, then.
You've made up your mind.


But you've impressed me by mentioning
that you're a professor with 30 years of
experience.


So, can you cite some examples of
people recommending "shock collars,
hanging, and punishment"?


BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!


--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.


You think matty's playin with a full
goddamned deck?


matty's NOT a liar and dog abuser.


Isn't that true, Marilyn?


Of course not, but THIS IS:


"Chin CHUCK absolutely doesn't mean slap,"
professora gingold.



"Marshall Dermer" wrote in message


...

Di,


I don't believe you mentioned a particular
kind of training. If you are interested in
training retrieval behavior than do
consider our own Amy Dahl's:


The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a
Well-Mannered, Obedient and
Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a
Day by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl


You failed to mention your pals the dahls are
proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:"


"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A
Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single
Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A
Dog Is Anything But Destructive,"


LUCKY thing CHIN CHUCK absolutely don't
mean slap the goddamned dog, we'd look like
a conspiracy of LIARS and DOG abusers if
CHIN CHUCK DID mean SLAP the dog.


"I don't see why anyone would want to choke or
beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get
a good working dog by making them unhapper,
fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl.


DOES THAT SOUND LIKE THE TRUTH?


just $17.95 at Amazon.com.


(Also, it is best to killfile posts from the
few regulars here who are either ill-
tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.)
--Marshall


Or HOWE about HOWER just plain CRUEL
STUPID and ABUSIVE DOG ABUSERS,
professor SCRUFF SHAKE?


amy lying frosty dahl continues:


"On the other extreme, the really hard dogs
we have trained require much more
frequent and heavy application of pressure
(PAIN j.h.) to get the job done,


This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome


Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper
wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher,
less tractable dogs may require you to
progress to striking them more sharply"


BUT NOBODY DOES THAT HERE...


"Try pinching the ear between the metal
casing and the collar, even the buckle on
the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will
give in but will squeal, thrash around, and
direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch"


OR ATTACKING HIS ABUSER.


"You can press the dog's ear with a
shotshell instead of your thumb even
get a studded collar and pinch the ear
against that Make the dog's need to stop
the pinching so urgent that resisting your
will fades in importance.


CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever
Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try
using the stick and no ear pinch.


When the dog is digging out to beat the
stick and seems totally reliable without
any ear pinch, you are finished


This is continued resistance to your
increasing authority, and the job is
not done until it is overcome"


If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly
under the chin, say "No! Hold!"


(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps
because the ear is getting tender, or the
dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying
frosty dahl.


"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
professora gingold.


From: Marshall Dermer )
In article =ADet



writes:


-snip headers etc.

Yes. you're right, I really should find
the book.. they don't have these books
in the local pet stores I frequent, where
do you find Koehler?


I got a nice large print copy from
Amazon.com


Richard


Please try Powell's Books in Portland
Oregon. Their URL is:


http://www.powells.com/


Unlike Amazon.com, Powell's keeps both
new and used books on its shelves. You
can order books via e-email.


Koehler Method Of Dog
Training
by Koehler, W R
Published by HOWELL BOOK
HOUSE (0876056575,


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Here's some quotes and some methods right
outta your koehler book professor "SCRUFF SHAKE and scream "NO!"
into its
face for 5
seconds:"


"The Koehler Method of Dog Training (1962). New York:
Howell Book Book House(p. 52-53)."


Hanging


"First, the trainer makes certain that the collar
and leash are more than adequate for any jerk
or strain that the dog's most frantic actions could cause. Then
he starts
to work the dog deliberately and fairly to the point where the dog
makes his
grab.


Before the teeth have reached their target,
the dog, weight permitting, is jerked from
the ground.


As in coping with some of the afore-mentioned problems the dog is
suspended
in mid-air.


However, to let the biting dog recover
his footing while he still had the strength
to renew the attack would be cruelty.


The only justifiable course is to hold him
suspended until he has neither the strength
nor inclination to renew the fight.


When finally it is obvious that he is
physically incapable of expressing his
resentment and is lowered to the ground,
he will probably stagger loop-legged for a
few steps, vomit once or twice, and roll
over on his side.


The sight of a dog lying, thick-tongued,
on his side, is not pleasant, but do not
let it alarm you


THE REAL "HOOD"


"If your dog is a real "hood" who would
regard the foregoing types of protest as
"kid stuff" and would express his
resentment of your efforts by biting,
your problem is difficult -- and pressing.


"Professional trainers often get these
extreme problems. Nearly always the
"protest biter" is the handiwork of a
person who, by avoiding situations that
the dog might resent, has nurtured the
seeds of rebellion and then cultivated
the resultant growth with under correction.


When these people reap their inevitable
and oftentimes painful harvest, they are
ready to avail themselves of "the cruel
trainer" whose advice they may have
once rejected because it was incompatible
with the sugary droolings of mealy-
mouthed columnists, breed-ring biddies,
and dog psychologists who, by the
broken skins and broken hearts their
misinformation causes, can be proven guilty
of the greatest act of cruelty to animals
since the dawn of time.


"With more genuine compassion for the
biting dog than would ever be demonstrated
by those who are "too kind" to make a
correction and certainly with more disregard
for his safety, the professional trainer
morally feels obligated to perform a "major
operation."


"Since we are presently concerned with
the dog that bites in resentment of the
demands of training, we will set our
example in that situation. (In a later
chapter we will deal with the with the
much easier problem of the dog that
bites someone other than his master."


Are we havin FUN yet?


Got a lite, professor SCRUFF SHAKE?


The Puppy Wizard. } : ~ )