Shut up!!!!!!! I feel bad enough without you making it worse.


On 27 May 2005 18:09:28 -0700, wrote:

HOWEDY kayla,

Kayla wrote:
My 1 year old sheltie wiped out a couple of months
ago whe we were playing ball.

Yeah. Dogs selectively bred for generation of hand
picked chumpion herding stock are naturals at zigin
an zaggin arHOWEND the sheeps, they get used to breakin
DHOWEN at WON year old...

She favors her hind leg now and when she runs she
sometimes lifts it and runs on 3 legs. It's hard
to keep her quiet.

Yeah. You've been postin here abHOWETS since pryor
to gettin your new pup and you've followed the advice
of the lying dog abusing punk thug cowards and active
acute long term incurable mental cases who's own dogs
got the samesame same same PROBLEMS {) ; ~ )

I had it checked today by my vet and she said it i
s a cranial crutiate injury.

Yeah. White monkey aka katrina's Dane just came DHOWEN
with the SAME SAME SAME SAME, from JERKIN and CHOKIN IT
JUST LIKE HOWE YOU DONE YOUR OWN DOG. Your dog got The
Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME, a DEATHLY STRESS INDUCED AUTO-
IMMUNE DIS-EASE {); ~ )

I had just started agility classes yesterday

You was doin agility on accHOWENT of your dog
is HYPERACTIVE and you was hopin the classes
would EXXXPIATE her ANXXXIHOWESNESS {) ; ~ )

so that is over for the season.

No kayla, it's over FOREVER. She MAY recover enough
to not be in PAIN when she walks a reasonable distance
but to do any EXXXCESSIVE activity, EVEN SWIMMING till
the ligament is healed will risk CRIPPLING her. Your
dog got a DEADLY DIS-EASE, kayla {); ~ )

Sometimes she seems better but I guess it will
take a long time to heal.

Ligaments heel slower than any other problem. Surgery
for knees, but your dog got it in the NECK from jerkin
an chokin IT... JUST LIKE HOWE The Amazing Puppy Wizard
TOLD YOU SO. Same same for katrina. And NHOWE you gotta
PAY The Piper, eh kayla. It's ONLY FAIR you know. Same
same same same for tara o. aka tee and all the other
DEAD DOG owners who's DEAD DOGS we've enterTRAINED TO
DEATH RIGHT HERE.

Has anybody had experience with this?

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAHAAA!!!

Lori

From: "The Puppy Wizard"
Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2004 16:13:35 GMT

Subject: Sheltie play biting

HOWEDY kayla,

"Kayla" wrote in message
.. .

My 7 month old sheltie,

A dog is a dog.

Chelsea has developed a peculiar behavior.

She's comin into the adolescent rebelliHOWES stage.

Whenever I close the dishwasher door or cupboard
drawer she jumps on me, wraps her front paws around
my leg and starts to soft bite me.

S-HOWENDS like she's PAINICKING.

Although it's play biting

PROBABLY NOT. It's FRUSTRATION.
SHE'S TRYIN TO TELL YOU SUMPTHIN.

SHE'S AFRAID.

and growling

It may take a while for a young dog to
learn to bite hard... the GRHOWELING
is a SYMPTOM...

sometimes she does nip a bit hard.

And it'll GET WORSE as you EITHER
IGNORE or VICARIHOWESLY REWARD
the behavior in your efforts to STOP IT.

At first it was kind of cute but now it's annoying.

And soon it may become seriHOWES.

My last sheltie used to attack the dishwasher
whenever I turned it on and would lay in wait as
I was putting the last few dishes in before closing
the door and she would charge at the door.

You could break that in WON instance.

I'm reprimanding Chelsea with a sharp "no"

THAT'S HOWE YOU REINFORCE HER FEARS.

but next time it's the same thing.

SHAAAZZZAAAMMM???

Is this a herding trait?

NO. IT'S A FEAR BEHAVIOR.

Lori

But HOWER SENSITIVE DOG LOVERS
can't RECOGNIZE that on accHOWENT
of they ONLY FEEL for THEMSELVES.

The Amazing Puppy Wizard {) ; ~ )

From: Diane )
Subject: biting and attention
Date: 1999/10/13

I hope I'm not being a pest,(I have at least one
question a week) but I've never owned a lab
before and I think my 8month old lab/shepherd
has severe problems.

This newsgroup made me realize she is normal.

Her major problem is biting but I'm told labs and
shepherds are both bad for that as puppies.

Tonight I went to answer the phone and she took
my arm and wouldn't let go. I had to hang up as
my arm still has puncture wounds.

Has anyone had this problem?

I think she gets upset that all my attention is not
on her anymore. (I do spend a lot of time with
her and everyone tells me that I spoil her too much)

She also bites when she needs to go outside.

Any suggestions?

------------------------------*------------------------------*------

BWEEEEEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAAA!!*!

DECENT PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS.

Subject: Walking/running with Border Collie

HOWEDY kayla,

"Kayla" wrote in message
.. .
I have been following this thread

You've been followin the advice of HOWER
Gang Of Lying Dog Abusing Punk Thug
Cowards and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE
MENTAL CASES for 8 months NHOWE.

You STILL haven't LEARNED your LESSONS.

You should KNOW by NHOWE that DECENT
PEOPLE DO NOT POST HERE abHOWETS.

and now I'm wondering if I'm doing
something wrong with my sheltie.

INDEEDY. EVERY THING your PALS
do to dogs CAUSES ALL behavior and
temperament problems.

She is 7 months old and very active

Well, you've been STUDYING dog behavior
right here from your PALS who ALL have
THE SAME SAME SAME SAME temperament
and behavior problems with their own dogs.

WELCOME to The Amazing Puppy Wizard's
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method
Manual Forums SCHOOL Of HARD KNOCKS
and HUMAN BEHAVIOR RESEARCH LABORATORY.

Your POSTED CASE HISTORYS will PROVE
by their diversity and CONSISTENCY that the
SCIENCE of BEHAVIOR is NOT as we've BEEN
TAUGHT by the EXXXPERTS in behaviorISM.

and I take her outside and she runs at high
speed many laps around the yard on grass
and gravel.

Your dog's anxiHOWESNESS burst is CAUSED
BY REPRESSIVE handling and training you've
been taught by the DOG LOVERS here abHOWETS.

I had injured my knee a few weeks ago and
couldn't go far so I taught her to run at my comand
of a "psst" (I can't whistle) I figured she needs to
run off some energy and she can run amazingly fast.

Hyperactive dogs and children are MADE hyperactive.
Running and EXXXCESSIVE EXXXERCISE DO NOT
EXXXPIATE anxiHOWESNESS, they only temporarily
tire the dog and after a few minutes rest they're acting
HOWET again, on accHOWENT of HYPERACTIVE
BEHAVIOR is CAUSED by REPRESSION and wihholding
attention affection and so called "rewards."

Now I read about joint problems.

MOST of your PALS here have dogs with criciate
ligament and other neuro degenerative / endocrine
DIS-EASES CAUSED by STRESS from MISHANLDING.

Should I be concerned about that with my sheltie?

INDEED. The veterinary community needs to become
aware of these STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE
DIS-EASES as EVIDENCED in The Amazing Puppy
Wizard's Archives on Google.

Lori

melanie's dog Solo is breakin DHOWEN for the
same same same reason professor SCRUFF
SHAKE dermer's little hyperactive HOWETA
CON-TROLL FuriHOWESLY Obsessive Compulsive
Masturbator Maxie, has been DYIN from.

On Fri, 3 Dec 2004 19:03:42 +0000 (UTC),

(Melanie L Chang) wrote:

I wouldn't run with him at this age -

THAT'S INSANE.

- it can cause joint problems

THAT'S INSANE!

If the pups was in the WILD they'd be
huntin with the pack at five months of age.

and I'd already be careful with Jake
since he is quite large.

A DOG IS A DOG.

I'd also be concerned about keeping him fit and thin.

INDEEDY!

THAT'S HOWE COME your dogs GO INSANE.

Stress from scheduling:

Is there a Science of Behavior. p. 59:

6hr on 6hr off schedule of "executive
behavior", death dealing ulcers in monkeys,
only schedule to do this. Sawrey, W.L.
& Weisz, J.D., An experimental method
of producing gastric ulcers. J of Comp
and Physiol. Psych., 1956, 49(3), 269-270

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HOWEDY kayla,



Kayla wrote:
My 11 month old sheltie has become very nervous.


Duh-Oh? SURPRISE SURPRISE SURPRISE? No, it AIN'T NO SURPRISE, kayla.
Your dog is AFRAID on accHOWENT of you're a DOG ABUSER like your PALS
here abHOWETS, kayla. Have you filled HOWET your MENTAL HEELTH CASE
HISTORY and submitted it to Soup, AKA CEO DogTV.COM, Director of Mental

Heelth Affairs and Activities?


Taking her on the leash is a nightmare.


On accHOWENT of YOU CHOKE HER:

From: Kayla
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 14:15:40 GMT
Subject: Comments on a Lupi Harness


Can anyone give me your comments on a Lupi harness. I thought my
sheltie's collar was tight enough but she managed to pull out of it
when we were walking.


Thanks
Lori


SEE???



She has been to obedience classes


BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHHAHAAAA!!!

You mean you've jerked choked bribed and locked IT in a box
like the rest of the MENTAL CASES you're askin for ADVICE.



and was doing well


That so? You mean till she slipped HOWETA her collar
and into a CHOKING HARNESS...


but during the winter I didn't get out walking with her.


BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHHAAAAA*!!!

HOWER DOG LOVER'S EXXXCUSES NEVER END.



She got lots of exercise on the farm property.


That's IRRELEVENT. Dogs don't NEED "lots of EXXXORCISE"
they NEED to FEEL SAFE and NOT GET CHOKED {) ; ~ )


Tonight as I was walking her on the leash we came up to kids playing
street hockey and she freaked and fought the leash.


On accHOWENT of you was CHOKIN HER {) : - (


The other night she was outside doing her last potty
run and I just went in for a minute and when I came
out she was gone.


EZ come, EZ go...



After searching we found her a long way from the house at the barn
very scared. There was no barking during those few moments when I was
not with her so I have no idea whether she chased a bunny or
something
chased her. I'm thinking that whatever happened has made her more
nervous than before. I know she has not been mistreated at any time.


EXXXCEPT WHEN YOU CHOKE HER.


I realize shelties can be somewhat timid


That's INSANE.


but our last two were quite outgoing and sociable.


SEE?


Any suggestions would be appreciated.


BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAHHH*AHAAAAAA!!!


Thanks


BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAHA*HAHAHHHAAAAA!!!


Lori


BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAHAHAH*AHHAAAAAAA!!!

Subject: Re Discipline. Also, SLEEP!
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 02:38:46 -0500
From: Amanda


Can you go into this a little more? How did they
accomplish all this in one day?


My learning is progressive. I email or call him with
questions. But, i'm getting most of it myself. Something
clicked.


How would we do it with our families?


that is kind of broad.. ask me specifics... or i'd still be
typing when your kids are in college


I really have problems controlling my temper when I am
already stressed out and then C__ is hurting me:


Me too.. i was abused... my mom was psycho... and i had
problems with anger.. i took it personally when my 6 yr old
wouldn't clean her room... i would sometimes cry is was so
strung out.. i didn't wanna spank but i didn't know what to do
instead.. so i spanked.. and then spanking didn't work.. and
then my dogs went nuts and i called this trainer and he showed
me how to do it.


pulling my hair, scratching me, slapping me, etc.


Mine hit me on purpose alot.. scratching.. climbing on me..
hurting me and then laughing.


Now as I post.. please don't think im trying to be a know it
all.. i simply wanna relay what i have learned... as it is
i've only been spank free for a week now and yell free for two
days (my neighbors two streets over are happy


Children, dogs, people.. they do thinks wrong because it
ellicits your ultimate attention. Does your 3 year old enjoy
fingerpainting on walls? no... do they enjoy fighting the minute
you pick up the phone?? No.


They *know* they can command your attention.. and that's
what they
want. same reason your dogs fight.. they think it is
controlling you.


Your kids want you watching their every move.. making sure
they eat.. dont talk to strangers.. because it means you are
watching THEM and not them watching you as it should be. they
should stay within x feet of you.. because they like mom and
she's cool and she keeps em safe... they shouldn't run and
expect you to chase them.. because you won't always be there
to chase them... that's how kids die or get lost.


When they learn to follow you.. it's all good.


Now, take my 19 mo old. She had this habit of sipping 4 oz
from her bottle and demanding more. if i didn't refill it..
she threw a hgue fit. Now she hands me her bottle and says
more.. and i tickle her... then i pick up her bottle and
pretend im drinking it.. i offer her a drink and snatch it
back saying MY Baba!! She wants that bottle.. so she takes it
and drinks it.. even tho i didn't refill it. we had a huge
problem with them taking things they cant have and when i
wanted it they ran... now i give the baby (19mo) my finger..
and she grabs it.. and i wiggle and shout My finger! that's
mine! Gimme it back.. playfully.. and she resists.. and i go
"Ooh.. can i have it please?" and she gives it to me and i
gleefully say Thank you! and she says you're welcome.. and i
give her the finger back... then i hand her say a lighter...
and we wrestle for a minute.. and i say... can i have that???
and she gives it over etc. Of course sometimes she'll have a
cool! book! and ill ask can i have that.. and shell say No.
and i say that's ok! and tickle her or snap my fingers and
say good girl naya.. good job.. then ill start my game again
and wrestle and try to take it gently... then.. can i have
that??? she gives it over. this works with everything now.


Or when he's ripping up my homework or something like
that.


Yea... with the dog training you hide nothing.. no forced
control. you set the dog up for fail.. so you can distract
and praise and erase the thought.. same with the kids. Put
some unimportant paper all over.. when he goes to touch it..
make a sound and distract him.. then good boy, that's a nice
baby!... then repeat.. the minute he goes for the paper and
breaks the thgouth you throw him in the air and praise like
mad!


How would I apply this in those situations? Also, what do
you do in 'danger' situations (until you're close enough
to distract them) - climbing on things, sticking metal
objects into electrical outlets, trying to get into the
oven, etc.?


Use your judgement.. if you have the distance/time to
distract... do it.. if you don't... pick them up and away..
but act like it's to throw em in the air.. so they don't know
youre forcing control by phsycially removing them... cuz when
you force control.. with the come command when you want your
dog away from something... or when you pull a dirty shoe from
your baby's mouth.. you put value on it.


Like when your kid puts a penny in its mouth.. youll try to
pry its mouth open to get it... and he'll clamp right down..
you gave that penny VALUE! it's not just a piece of crap..
mom WANTS IT!


so.. instead you make a game.. say you want em to smit it
out... walk somewhere else... attract their attention.. be
kinda sneaky... odds are the thing in their mought will get
annoying and they'll spit it out when they walk toward you...
if all else fails.. pry it outta their smiling jaws... snatch
em up away from falling down... but only when you have to..
then work realy hard to overcome that forced control.


Also don't make a big deal about it.. or else theyll learn not
only to command your attention, but also mom will always catch
me so she is watching me.. not me watching her.


I never realized how spirited C__ was until I started
tending other kids.


those are my kids. I have had social workers with their
degrees in child development stop offering me services cuz
they couldn't handle my kids... my friends call mine the
obstinate kids.


They're docile kittens compared to C__! This brings up
another question - what do you do when YOUR child is the
bully?


if you catch it before it happens.. loud sound.. big
distraction and PRAISE. if you catch it afterward... distract
and say oh my goodness! and pay attention to the other kid...
he wont get the attention... then explain how that hurts.
odds are your kid won't hurt another kid if he truly
understands its not nice.


C__ is always beating the other boy over the head when he
comes over.
We don't hit in anger in our family


i have.. everyone does in my family... i did it a few times
over 4 years... but that is because i didn't know how not to.
i know now.. and i wanna tell everyone i can.. so someone else
doesn't spank their kids due to a lack of knowledge.


(we do it playfully sometimes, so we are curtailing that
in case it is giving him ideas)


my kids, 6yo, 3yo and 19 month old, favorite game is chasing
around the house (all 4 of us) with wooden spools yelling at
the top of our lungs "I'm gonna beat your a$$.. HA HA HA... no
IM gonna beat YOUR a$$ MU HA HA HA" my neighbors prolly
think im nuts.. but the kids love it dog even plays too


but I admit that after I have been trying to get him to go
to sleep for 45 minutes, I get a little rough sometimes.
It's really frustrating. He'll be dead tired - eyes
bright red, fussy, eyes almost closing every 5 seconds.


It gets worse... they all do it around that time.. they don't
want to sleep.. andyou know what? they don't grow out of it
until they're parents it's one of those times you have to
use your patience and keep distracting and praising.


So I'll take him into the bedroom, and lay down to nurse
him. He'll nurse for about 5 seconds and then jump up and
run to the window and start bending the blinds.


he wants you upset.. he wants your undivided attention. you
have to refuse it.. no evil eye.. no "conner" quiet or not..
no anger.. complete nonchalance.. they have to have a total
complete entire lack fo negative attention.. and all they'll
be able to do is sit back and enjoy the positive!


One shout.. one name call.. one No! and it takes awhile to
work up to the positive only.


So I gently pick him up and lay him back down.


try not to.. but if you have to ok


And we repeat the process over 10000 times.


when he goes to sit up.. when yous see the thought on his
face.. distract with sound and follow with praise or a song or
giggle.


Then I get frustrated and lay him down less gently.


better than my method of plop em in the crib and let em cry.
No anger.. stay calm.. meditate, pray.. breath.. try to
remember they will not always be this small.. and youll never,
ever for anything get it back. it's what im using


That makes him cry, which is the last straw that
FINALLY gets him to nurse to sleep.


He got you riled up.. what he wanted.. time to sleep.


Writing it out, I thought of something. He must have a
lot of excess tension he needs to release before sleeping,
and finally crying releases it for him.


no way... crying isn't a release.. sometimes.. maybe for
some people.. crying is frustration, pain, hunger,
sadness... sometimes joy.. sometimes tension.. but not
because of his life.. because he's insecure... their dealing
with negative and positive.. and thats what makes em
insecure.


Any good ways to do this that don't involve crying?


distraction and praise.. if all else fails get up and dance..
fast for day.. slow rocking at night.


Turning on soft music and swaying in the sling used to
work for us, but now he either grabs at everything he can
reach or bends over backwards until he's hanging upside
down.


cuzhe knows what you're doing. hold him instead.. or sit him
in your lap on the bed and rock


Putting the sling over his shoulders to prevent that
doesn't work either. He acts like he is being tortured
and screams and fights to get out.


becuase it is forced control.


Katie


Amanda


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Me


The Puppy Wizard. }TPW ; ~ )

ANY QUESTIONS, DUMMIES?
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"Kayla" wrote in message
...
Shut up!!!!!!! I feel bad enough without you making it worse.


On 27 May 2005 18:09:28 -0700, wrote:

HOWEDY kayla, snippety snip snip

Kayla-

Nobody bothers with this guy. Best to killfile him if you can, or otherwise
ignore him. In any event, don't reply to him and feed his delusions.

-Sharon

Kayla,

The Puppy Wizard never has anything intelligent or helpful to say - killfile
him, ignore is raving stupidity, and you will probably be much happier.

Tirya
--
TDC Inca Jeeper
A girl and her Jeep... it's a beautiful thing...

"Kayla" wrote in message
...
Shut up!!!!!!! I feel bad enough without you making it worse.


On 27 May 2005 18:09:28 -0700, wrote:

HOWEDY kayla,

Wiz is a nut, but I'm sorry to say he makes one relevant point:

I think he's saying that you posted earlier asking about your dogs hyper
activity or something like that. I don't know what he's referring to, but
maybe you asked the group how to get your dog to stop jumping or something
simple that PW interpreted as hyper activity.

So, if your dog is a little hyper, or pulls a lot on his leash, and because
your dog is a smaller breed (and at some point if he bolted to the end of
his leash and you pulled back with a jerk,) the problem might not be in the
leg, but in the neck or spine. A good vet should check for that when you
come in with a limp or a sore leg that isn't betting better.

Usually a week to 10 days of an anti inflammatory will help.

Maybe I'm all wet, but the sore leg might be a symptom of a different
problem.

Just my $0.02

David Sherman said in rec.pets.dogs.health:

I think he's saying that you posted earlier asking about
your dogs hyper activity or something like that.

I posted no such thing.

There are enough valid questions on this group that I'll no
longer waste time reading you. Bye.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

My apologies - I read Kayla's original post and saw:

I had it checked today by my vet and she said it is a cranial crutiate
injury.

Still, if the dog is having trouble walking or running, a spinal or neck
problem is an option I would look into if s/he isn't able to stop limping.

Rocky wrote on 5/28/05 2:39 PM:

David Sherman said in rec.pets.dogs.health:

I think he's saying that you posted earlier asking about
your dogs hyper activity or something like that.

Maybe what I should have said is: ...I don't know if it's true or not
considering the source, but if your dog is pulling a lot on the leash, or
tends to dash out to the end of the leash and does a little head snap when
her reaches the end, and since it is a smaller dog the impact of doing that
might be greater than a large dog, a neck problem or alignment problem might
be in progress.

There, is that better?

I posted no such thing.

There are enough valid questions on this group that I'll no
longer waste time reading you. Bye.

Matt, you have to chill out! I wasn't referring to you. I don't even know
how you figure into this. I saw one thing in the nut's post that might have
been a valid point. So sue me!

In article ,
David Sherman wrote:
Still, if the dog is having trouble walking or running, a spinal or neck
problem is an option I would look into if s/he isn't able to stop limping.

Soft tissue injuries can take an awfully long time to heal,
so I'm not sure what your time frame would be for "isn't
able to stop limping."
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

43% of all private-sector jobs created in the US
from 2001 to April 2005 are housing-related

"David Sherman" wrote in message
...
the problem might not be in the
leg, but in the neck or spine. A good vet should check for that when you
come in with a limp or a sore leg that isn't betting better.

........the dog has already been vet checked and diagnosed.

Usually a week to 10 days of an anti inflammatory will help.

Maybe I'm all wet,
..........dripping wet

but the sore leg might be a symptom of a different
problem.

.......pay attention - the dog has a cranial cruciate ligament injury - this
is not in the head, but the knee. If you fell down and twisted your knee
would you go get your head looked at? A ligament is not the same thing as a
muscle and they don't knit back together. Surgery will probably be
required.

..........do some reading next time and please leave the poopy whizzer's
insanity out of it
http://www.animalhealthchannel.com/ccl/

David Sherman said in rec.pets.dogs.health:

There are enough valid questions on this group that I'll
no longer waste time reading you. Bye.

Matt, you have to chill out! I wasn't referring to you. I
don't even know how you figure into this.

You responded to a post which was in reply to mine and which
said all sorts of nasty stuff about me, and which happened to
use my name multiple times. Since you're using a newsreader
which threads by reference, I don't know how you can't figure
out how I figure in to this.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

Rocky wrote on 5/28/05 8:30 PM:

David Sherman said in rec.pets.dogs.health:

There are enough valid questions on this group that I'll
no longer waste time reading you. Bye.

Matt, you have to chill out! I wasn't referring to you. I
don't even know how you figure into this.

You responded to a post which was in reply to mine and which
said all sorts of nasty stuff about me, and which happened to
use my name multiple times. Since you're using a newsreader
which threads by reference, I don't know how you can't figure
out how I figure in to this.

I guess that presupposes that I read all of the nut's post. I don't. I
"saw" I'm not even sure I'd call it "read" the first paragraph of a post
that was quoted in a post by Kayla, and thought I saw a salient point.

I got it wrong.

I didn't even notice what he said about you, Matt. But I just found the
post you're talking about. Yes, he said some nasty things about you. And
this bothers you?

The guy's a hoot. I don't participate much (and with how this exchange
between you, me and buglady is going - I respect both of of your knowledge,
BTW - I won't be participating much more!) and the worst he called me was
"coo coo." It's sort of an honorarium.

Anyway, I'll continue to read but I'll stop posting unless I have a
question.