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My dogs like to eat little children ...
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"A Completely New Model Of Learning"? Naaah. Pavlov Told Us So 100 Years Ago. Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH Oxford, That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of The Scientific Management Of Doggies. {) ; ~ ) HOWEDY People! Sam Corson, Pavlov's Last Student Demonstrated At UofOH Oxford That Rehabilitation Of Hyperactive Dogs Can Easily And Readily Be Done Using TLC. Tender Loving Care Is At The Root Of TheScientific Management Of Doggies. LeeCharlesKelley Wrote: From what I've read of Jerry's method it incorporates a completely new model of learning, which is based (in simplest terms) on the idea that all behavior is the result of finding a way to relieve emotional tension. This is true not just for dogs but all animals. You don't believe in the validity of this particular model of learning? You don't think it makes sense? Fine, I guess. But it makes total sense to me. And it made sense to Pavlov, too, though not many people know this. "Postitive emotions arising in connection with the perfection of a skill, irrespective of its pragmatic significance at a given moment, serve as the reinforcement." IOW, emotions, not outside rewards, are what reinforces any behavior. Finn once saw a small mouse come out of a hole atthe base of a tree. Needless to say his prey instinct kicked in BIG TIME and he chased it back into the hole. This was 7 years before he died. Up until the very last time he walked through that section of the park (an hour before he went) he checked the base of that tree. He saw that mouse exactly *once*....he never saw it again. Don't we all have stories like that? Especially those of us with dogs whose prey drives are pretty intense? And there are lots of examples that may not even require the prey drive to be active, just a strong desire to do something: a dog who wants to escape from the back yard will learn how to do it once and never forget it, a dog who wants to jump on the couch or the bed doesn't need any repetitions to "reinforce" or re-learn the behavior. If something is important to a dog, he'll learn how to do it. Once he learns it, he learns it. The trick to getting him to "unlearn" it, is to give him a more emotionally satisfying replacement behavior. With Oscar and the cat, the more satisfying behavior was relating to me instead of the cat. (He's a Lab, with a strong need for social connections, so that was pretty easy.) I've been experimenting recently with Jerry Howe's method of using a sound distraction, then praising the dog, without any physical contact, for 15 seconds. My initial reaction to his technique was that it was silly to keep praising the dog that long. I mean, Jerry's a nut, right? But in every case except one, when I've followed the exercise exactly, I've seen a definite physiological change take place in the dog - - yawning or stretching have been the usual indicators -- and after only a few repetitions, the dog often relaxes, curls up, and goes to sleep! I've tried this on barking, counter-surfing, separation anxiety, even two dogs who live together and fight constantly. I was pretty amazed when I saw this little Boston give up her aggression and start to yawn! It's too early for me to be convinced that it will work every single time with every single dog, or that it will even have a lasting effect on these dogs, but so far I think that it's effective at reducing emotional tension, which, as you know, I believe that all behavior comes from the dog trying to find a way to reduce emotional tension. If you give the dog a replacement behavior that successfully reduces emotional tension, the first behavior will no longer be necessary and the dog will stop doing it. From: "LeeCharlesKelley" - Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2004 10:03:38 -0400 Subject: Has anyone read . . Leah: I'm curious now. Are there any of our more experienced and educated trainers (Lynn, Diane, Janet, Belinda, et al) who have heard of this as a viable method? Kelley: Doubtful, since being "educated" in this case means being indocrinated into a total misunderstanding about how a dog's mind actually operates. As I said in my post, everything the experts say about dogs is wrong. If the common folklore was true, what I've been doing wouldn't work at all, ever. And it not only works, it works better than the accepted, prescribed way of doing things. It's good that you're curious, but I wouldn't look to any "educated" trainers for answers, I'd look to your dogs. From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." To: Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:31 AM Subject: How does diagnosis shape treatment? How does diagnosis shape treatment? Nearly every week I have a visit from Jerry Howe, who publicizes himself as The Puppy Wizard. Jerry is a master at behavioral modification of dogs. His fundamental bedrock is the work Pavlov's last student, the late Sam Corson, Ph.D., did at the U of Ohio (at Oxford,O). Sam always pointed out if the dog stopped working for you in the lab, Pavlov and he always took the dog away from the lab, and put him in a loving home and gave him TLC for a couple of months, and then started, very carefully, over again. Jerry believes that reward and constraint focused training is immoral. I've watched him in one short session calm impossible dogs, just about to be murdered (oops "put to sleep") because of their "incorrigibly" violent behavior. Sam was one of the first people to apply amphetamine to hyperactivity (he searched the Middle West for hyperactive dogs); but he never lost sight of the fundamental reality that a dog is not a human, but does respond, doggily, to dog love. You might be surprised to go to B. F. Skinner's "Cumulative Record" and read the essay by Breland and Breland, "The Misbehavior of Organisms". Animals cannot be successfully trained unless the trainer attends to the evolutionary history, the individual's developmental history, and the environmental niche of the animal being trained. Yep, right there in Skinner's last and summary book. Even with behavior mod, you must know the animal. snip Dogs or little boys, you have to know the individual history, and the nature of he disorder. Dr. Von PS if you are interested in dogs, then take a look at Jerry's work, INTRO TO WITS' END DOG TRAINING MANUAL George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D. F.R.S.H. Several years ago one of my old students telephoned to me and asked me what I knew about Doggie Do Right, a device to cause your neighbor's dog to stop barking. I had not heard of the device, nor its inventor, Jerry Howe, but I telephoned, read his website, and told my graduate that I thought the device was worth a trial - indeed I shut up the dogs in my neighborhood by turning on Jerry's supersonic device. After all we all know that dogs respond to whistles humans cannot hear, so why not respond to "attaboy" sounds which humans cannot hear. My student lived far from my Florida homestead, so he tried it on the three incredibly savage, hyperactive and noisy dogs who lived behind a tall fence just 3 feet back of his bedroom. Hot rats! The device worked, Andy got his sleep and I didn't think much of the matter again. A few months ago I had new neighbors on each side of my house, four of them, all with noisy unshuttupable dogs. Argh! So I foned Andrew in Virgina, received the intelligence that his neighbors dogs were still quiet, and then I foned Jerry Howe, the inventor of Doggie Do Right, who came to visit me. Merlin walked into my office. Jerry is a slender fellow with a belly button lenghth grey beard tapering down his chest. I liked him immediately, and I applied his instrument to the neighborhood again which again became silent. It occured to me that if this ultrasonic field worked with dogs that we ought at least to ask the question, what happens to humans in range of the device??? I asked Jerry to give me a list of customers and began inquiring among them. One thing became immediately evident. The Doggie Do Right not only shuts up your neighbors' dogs, it calms and modifies your husband's behavior. Holey Moley, Captain Marvel, this device has major potential. In the meantime Jerry gave me a copy of his Wits End Dog Training Manual. I was delighted. He also introduced me to the world of professional dog trainers some of whom even have Ph.D.s in psychology. This was not such a delight as it appeared that none of these luminaries had actually read Skinner, Lazarus or other fountains of wisdom in psychology. Indeed, it seemed as though they knew very little about the laws of behavior at all! Punishment and confrontation seemed to be their major stock in trade. Well, if you go to my website, www.drbiofeedback.com you can read of the career of Sam Corson, I.P. Pavlov's last student. Sam demonstrated that rehabilitation of hyperactive dogs can easily and readily be done using TLC, tender loving care is at the root of the scientific management of doggies. Pavlov told us so 100 years ago. So what are these degreed morons doing punishing dogs, and shouting "NO" into their doggie faces? If you pick up B.F.Skinner's last book, CUMULATIVE RECORD, included in it is an essay by Keller Breland and Maryann Breland entitled THE MISBEHAVIOR OF ORGANISMS. Skinner deliberately included his students' chapter to emphasize that you cannot manage the behavior of animals unless you take into consideration 1. the animal's evolutionary niche (who is the animal?); 2. the animal's personal history (who is the animal?) and 3, the instinctive repetoire of the animal (who is the animal?) and 4. the personality of the animal (who is the animal?). The Brelands moved far from the white rat. "Thirty-eight species, totaling over 6,000 individual animals, have been conditioned, and we have dared to tackle such unlikely subjects as reindeer, cockatoos, raccoons, porpoises, and whales." Jerry Howe spends most of his times with dogs, but he has learned Pavlov's lesson well. Dogs are individuals, they are individual DOGS, and they respond most directly and immediately to love and tender loving care. Read with pleasure, and then go love your dog. George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H. Who's Who Honoree since 1983 From: TooCool ) The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method I have studied canine behavior and dog training for years. I have a huge library that covers every system of training. The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced, the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training method yet discovered. It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically consistent manner. Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to understand the basis of his system and please follow his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece. It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed descriptions about why behavior problems occur and how their solution should be approached. One should not pick and choose from among his methods based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion. When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it produces for your dog the owner of his dreams. You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you will become the center of your dogs world, if you use Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15 seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to lie quietly and let me clip his nails). Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction / praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to train you dog to respond to your commands. What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would carry him in response to my recall command-and he comes running every time I call no matter where we are or what he is doing. At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and his Family Pack Leadership exercises. Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him, if you force him then his natural response is to oppose you. Is Jerry a nut? It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not. It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or hurting dogs. More than that, he knows that force is not effective and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems; sometime problems so severe that people put their dogs down because of those problems. I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been at our wits' end, haven't we? Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind to praise. Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise. You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate along with their anxiety. Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End Training Method as a scientific principle just as you would the law of gravity and you will have astounding success. Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity. If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?). --Larry "TooCool" wrote in message news: ... "Learning Theory"-An Insult to Canines Classical and operant conditioning is founded in what is termed "learning theory". The four rudimentary rules of "learning theory" a Something Good can start or be presented, so behavior increases = Positive Reinforcement (R) Something Good can end or be taken away, so behavior decreases = Negative Punishment (P-) Something Bad can start or be presented, so behavior decreases = Positive Punishment (P) Something Bad can end or be taken away, so behavior increases = Negative Reinforcement (R-) Proponents of "learning theory" believe that no learning can take place without reinforcement or punishment either positive or negative. That is why they employ treats and force. "Learning theory" is a flawed concept for evolutionarily advanced species. Advanced species learn without any external motivation. They are not automatons that merely respond to stimuli. Their evolutionary survival has endowed them with self motivated learning behavior. Canines, in particular, are curious, they love to learn and they exhibit pride in what they have learned. They think-they figure things out. They can invent games to play. They can invent behaviors to drive you crazy. They have emotions-they can be humorous and they can be vindictive-their feelings can be hurt. They can suffer terribly if you don't treat them with respect. They actively seek their environment for new things to learn. They also learn from watching other animals and humans and they mimic their behavior (in the scientific literature this is termed allelomimetic behavior). It is an insult to the intelligence of dogs and to their owners to employ operant conditioning (clicker training). Dogs are not B. F. Skinner robots whose only capacity to learn stems from the four rules of "learning theory". Canines deserve treatment and training that is tailored to their nature. You can literally ruin your dog if your treatment and training does not respect their nature. Please study the Puppy Wizard's Wits' End Training Method. It is the only available method, of which I am aware, that is based upon the true nature of canines. In his system, praise is not used as a reinforcement or motivator, i. e., dogs are not asked to work for praise. --Larry "TooCool" wrote in message news: Planarians are primitive, free-living, flat bodied, freshwater creatures. They can be conditioned to respond to stimuli, display the ability to master a two-choice maze, and can transfer the memory of training from one individual to another by feeding a ground up planarian to another one. It is this primitive level of learning that "Learning Theory" and operant conditioning addresses. Operant conditioning does not rely upon an animal's ability to think. It operates upon a primitive (nervous system) level for animals in general, regardless of the level of their brain development. When you train a dog using clicker training, you are training a mindless reaction to your clicker / reinforcement. Your dog is not learning an idea-he is learning a conditioned reflex. He will perform just like a robot when you give the signal-he can't help it. It has also been shown that when you later withdraw your reinforcement that it will induce stress which will lead to behavior problems-often quite severe. Learning in humans is conceptual. "Learning theory" plays absolutely no part in human learning. Humans do not learn through a process of gaining some reinforcement or avoiding some pain. They study their environment, they form concepts, they learn logic (in order to separate truth from falsity) and using reasoning they attempt to integrate all of their knowledge without contradiction. If humans seem to respond to some reinforcement or to avoid some pain, it is because they have consciously evaluated the various alternatives and have made a reasoned choice--that is not a conditioned behavior and it is not an application of "Learning Theory". Canines are not conceptual animals, but they do possess the ability to think. Their thinking powers are different both in kind and in degree from humans. That is why it is so important to learn their nature in order to train them successfully. Operant conditioning operates at a primitive, nervous system level. It does not take advantage of a dog's ability to think-only his ability to be conditioned. The act of subverting his nature as a thinking creature causes stress and anxiety which can in turn produce behavior problems. Please study the Puppy Wizard's Wits' End Training Method. It is consonant with the nature of a thinking dog. It will not induce stress and anxiety and no behavior problems will result. --Larry Death Producing Ulcers: "Emotional Influences On Health & Behavior" Dr. George Von Hilsheimer Emotional Influences On Behavior Illness is directly related to depression and lack of adjustment, particularly to a new environment (Parens, McConville & Kaplan, 1966). A WIDE RANGE of PSYCHOSOMATIC or CORTICOVISCERAL DIS-EASES was surveyed by Wittkower (1965) to demonstrate the enormous importance of emotional factors in general health. Interview findings of emotional material (recently experienced hopelessness) pryor to biological examinations correctly identified 11 out of 19 with cervical cancer, and 25 of 32 who were cancer free even though psychological tests failed to discriminate these groups (Schmale & Iker, 1966) 150 lung cancer patients showed significantly constricted expression of emotions. The had fewer childhood behavior problems, and lower neuroticism score than their cancer free controls. Heavy cigarette smokers who DO NOT INHALE are more apt to have LUNG CANCER. They, too, show LOWER neuroticism scores. Among heavy cigarette smokers poor emotional expression is as highly related to cancer as urban residence and is more important than a chronic cough or an air polluted environment (Kissen, 1966). A ten year observation of all the women who developed cancer in an isolated pupulation of 2,550 showed that they tended to be unstable or sub stable personalities characterized by melancholy and extraversion, especially marked with those of an undecided body build (Hagll, 1966). Personality dynamics effect both the development of cancer and it's SITE. Cancer may result from what appears to be a failure to grow-- somatically, behaviorally and psychologically (Grinker, 1966). In 109 cases leukemia and lymphoma were associated with a number of losses or separations and with feelings of sadness, anxiety, anger or hopelessness. The PRIMARY FACTOR seems to be the shame and hopelessness of running out of psychological resources (Green, 1966). Cervical cancer patients are less emotionally responsive, more isolative, and less frequently diagnosed as having clinical neuroses than cancer free patients. There is NO CLEAR DIFFERENCE in their FEELINGS and ATTITUDES toward coitus (Rotkin, Qunk, & Couchman, 1965). Schmidt (1966) surveyed nearly 100 studies of behaviorally induced DIS-EASE in animals CONFIRMING and EXTENDING the DATA on PEOPLE. Behaviorally induced DIS-EASES tend to fall into two groups; (1) Hysteriform problems, which INCLUDE HYSTERICAL SEIZURES and FORMS of AGGRESSION as well as collective panic and epilepsies; (2) organic modifications, including functional difficulties and lesions affecting gastro intestinal, cardio vascular, respiratory, sexual, endocrine, skin, urinary, and neuro muscular systems. It is INTERESTING, and SLIGHTLY HORRIFYING, to note that the ONLY SCIENTIFIC RELEVANCE of the standard six hour school day that I have been able to detect in research is that Sawrey and Weisz quite by accident found that six hours on and six hour off of "EXECUTIVE BEHAVIOR" in monkeys was the ONLY TIME STRUCTURE that INDUCED DEATH PRODUCING ULCERS. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer "Thank you for fighting the fine fight-- even tho it's a hopeless task, in this system of things. As long as man is ruling man, there will be animals (and humans!) abused and neglected. :-( Your student," Juanita. "If you've got them by the balls their hearts and minds will follow," John Wayne. The Amazing Puppy Wizard. {} ; ~ ) |
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"Winnie Oakbob" wrote in message om... What can I do now? you would think women never signalled lack of interest by refusing eye contact. it is just clueless people who need to hear no. and people posting on usenet mk5000 And daddy doesn't understand it he always said she was good as gold and he can see no reasons--i don't like mondays, boomtown rats |
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