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Ethical Breeders Needed
We need ethical breeders to come list their puppies for sale at
http://www.puppypassport.com Advertise for free and visitors never have to pay to see your contact information. -- Thanks for visiting www.puppypassport.com Andrew Lang Lead Web Designer PuppyPassport.com |
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We need ethical breeders to come list their puppies for sale at
http://www.puppypassport.com Advertise for free and visitors never have to pay to see your contact information. So how do you measure whether someone is ethical? By hiding a breeder's contact information aren't you supporting the practice of unethical breeding/marketing practices? (Hearno evil, see no evil speak no evil). |
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Andrew Lang wrote:
We need ethical breeders to come list their puppies for sale at http://www.puppypassport.com Advertise for free and visitors never have to pay to see your contact information. Hi Andrew - are you tired of spamming yet? Because I'm not tired of replying, either... If you go to puppypassport.com, you will find that one of criteria that you can use in searching is whether someone is an "ethical breeder" or not. While that's a notable goal, in fact it's very difficult (basically impossible) to define an objective standard that will accurately separate the wheat from the chaff. So naturally I was curious as to what their criteria is for determining whether a breeder is "ethical" or not. Well, it turns out that their standard is whether or not someone belongs to the "National Ethical Breeders Association", http://www.breedrite.org. And what is NEBA's standard? People who join must agree to abide by the organization's "breeding standards." And what do these involve? Gee, that appears to be anybody's guess since that section of the website reads "coming soon!" Naturally the question arises as to the relationship between these two organizations: puppypassport.com is registered to Townsend, Andrew Puppy Passport, L.L.C. 1719 E. 71st Street Tulsa, Oklahoma 74136 United States (918) 497-1911 breedrite.org is registered to Aundrea Smith National Ethical Breeders Association 1719 E. 71st Street Tulsa, Oklahoma 74136 United States (918) 497-1911 How curious that they share the same address and phone number! So let's check that out. A reverse phone lookup on switchboard.com leads to the Townsend & Smith Attorneys At Law Townsend Andrew Atty Smith Aundrea Atty 1719 E 71st St Tulsa, OK 74136 (918) 497-1911 (Web site address: http://www.needlawyer.net/) Curiouser and curiouser... while it certainly wouldn't be unusual for a law firm to do the paperwork to incorporate a business of this type, I don't think I've ever seen one show up in Whois as the administrative and technical contacts for the business's domain names. But back to the original question of how one can join an organization by agreeing to a non-existent code of ethics. In spite of the obvious difficulty here, it *is* nonetheless somehow possible, since doing the afforementioned search for "ethical breeders" turns up one such: a breeder of Brussel Griffons in Oklahoma, name Rene Smith, telephone number 918-607-6262. Who might this be? Sadly, a reverse phone lookup on switchboard.com doesn't turn up anything, so we have to look a little harder here. Fortunately there's always our best friend Google. A search on that phone number turns it up in a number of ads for Brussels Griffon puppies. But really revealing one is at http://states.puppydogweb.com/oklahoma/ : Brussels Griffon Aundrea Smith, Broken Arrow, Oklahoma 74011. 918-607-6262 What?! Could it possibly be that the "Aundrea Smith" with the phone number 918-607-6262 that sells Brussels Griffon puppies and is behind the "National Ethical Breeders Association" is the same person as the "Rene Smith" with the phone number 918-607-6262 and is selling puppies with the approbation of that organization? Say it ain't so, Joe. But here the Oklahoma Bar Association comes to our rescue in the person of their membership directory at: http://www.oklahomafindalawyer.com/F...ountySearch=66 Aundrea Rene Smith 1719 E 71st St Tulsa, OK 74136 Now, doesn't this strike all of you as being the absolute epitome of ethicalness??? *vvbg* Of course some of you will remember that this identical tactic was tried before by our old friends at rocknrollover, who ended up getting themselves spanked BIG-time by AKC. So it'll be interesting to see how this particular situation plays out. Another thing to be aware of: in spite of the number of times that the names "Aundrea Smith" and "Rene Smith" appear via Google, I could not document any association between her and any sort of objective evaluation of potential breeding stock (conformation shows, obedience trials, health testing or so on), nor could I establish any relation between her and any dog club of any kind (Brussels Griffon, all-breed, obedience, agility, etc.) Most people would agree that associations like those are vital criteria in establishing a person as ANY kind of ethical breeder. One last note: The "National Ethical Breeders Association" says on its website: "National Ethical Breeders Association or NEBA is a not for profit company... " And quite oddly enough the Oklahoma Secretary of State's office doesn't show any company, either for-profit or non-profit, under that name. OTOH, "Puppy Passport LLC" does exist as a domestic limited liability company; its registered agent is Aundrea R. Smith. Fun stuff, huh? I'm mainly posting this as a reminder to people that there is more to finding an ethical breeder than accepting someone's word that they are deserving of the label. Do remember to dig a little on your own; you may well be surprised by what you turn up. HTH, Dianne |
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"diannes" wrote in message ... Andrew Lang snip wrote: We need ethical breeders to come list their puppies for sale at snip spam Advertise for free and visitors never have to pay to see your contact information. Hi Andrew - are you tired of spamming yet? Because I'm not tired of replying, either... snipped the reply) BRAVO, Dianne That was so enjoyable to read! I hated to snip it, but in the interest of space... I did. Sue and Atty |
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I'm mainly posting this as a reminder to people that there is more to
finding an ethical breeder than accepting someone's word that they are deserving of the label. Do remember to dig a little on your own; you may well be surprised by what you turn up. Dianne - Gotta say - that was more fun reading that watching 20/20 or Dateline. You certainly nailed it!! Great work! -Sharon |
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