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Rimadyl
"Aimee Nicole Schantz" wrote in message
... "Tee" wrote in message ... While we're on the topic of NSAIDs, is there anything coming out on the long-term use of Metacam? The stuff I've seen on it is very positive. It's the only one that doesn't have a death attributed to it yet (at least as of the study I saw a few months ago). We've only been using it for a few months now, and I get nothing but good feedback from clients. Well, except for the smell :^O Thanks, that's good to know. Pip seems to like & do well on it but then Pip is an adolescent male who will eat *anything* you put in front of him and rarely complains. Pebbles is a biter if you try to pill her directly. The only way to get a pill in her is to hide it deep-down inside some really tasty food. If she sees you do it, or hears a pill bottle before being offered a treat, she will pick small portions and eat around, or spit out, the pill. -- Tara |
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"Abby Pennington" wrote in message
... "Tee" wrote in : Secondly I'm concerned about possible gastrointestinal issues arising. All NSAIDs come with a risk of gastric ulcers and bleeding, but metacam has, so far, shown lesser risk of ulcers/bleeding and liver/kidney toxicity. Thanks Abby. I know there's risk with all of them but I'm hoping to use one that is easier to administer and isn't highly known for causing ulcers & bleeding. I've heard that Deramaxx is the worst for that yet its also the one Pebbles has done best on...when I can get it in her. -- Tara |
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"LiLtkdGrL" wrote in message ... Interesting. Does it have that "medicinal" taste? I want to try it now. I shoulda tasted it when I had some.. -Abby No, I just remember it being really, really sweet. Aimee Nicole Schantz Brando the APBT Grant the AmStaf Harry the Malinois http://www.odnarb.com http://www.rosecitydogs.com |
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I've heard that Deramaxx is the worst for that
Yeah, I have seen a couple wretched reactions to deramaxx. Metacam is good stuff..and if it's approved (officially) for use in cats, it can't be all that bad. Cat livers and kidneys seem to go kaput from most veterinary NSAIDs, but metacam can be used safely. That's good enough for me! -Abby A Pem, an Aussie, and a Pug (Owner-handled to his championship!) **remove shoes to reply** |
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Abby Pennington wrote: "Tee" wrote in : Secondly I'm concerned about possible gastrointestinal issues arising. All NSAIDs come with a risk of gastric ulcers and bleeding, but metacam has, so far, shown lesser risk of ulcers/bleeding and liver/kidney toxicity. Do opiates used for dogs cause gastric ulcers and bleeding? I am curious. Such as fentanol sp? patches. Gwen |
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http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomfr...Management.pdf
I found this article to be interesting. And interesting enough opiates do have far less physical side effects. Gwen |
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Do opiates used for dogs cause gastric ulcers and bleeding? I am curious.
Such as fentanol sp? patches. Opiates are not going to be used for something like arthritis or take home post-op pain management. (In exceptional cases, morphine in tablet form may be prescribed, but not very often) There are a few reasons.. They are controlled drugs which have the potential for their humans to abuse them, they can cause bradycardia (slow heart rate), slowed respiratory rate, & hypothermia. Owners may not be well-equipped to deal with these side-effects at home, and a pet can quickly reach danger zones without an owner knowing. Fentanyl patches are a little different, though they can cause the same side effects. In my experience, vets will not leave a fentanyl patch on a pet to go home because of the risk of abuse by the owner or mishandling. However, we aren't even sure how well fentanyl is absorbed transdermally by the pet, and so many practitioners at the U of MN (one of my jobs) will use other opiates in conjunction with a fentanyl patch. I'm not sure what regular day practitioners do with fentanyl patch, though, as my experience is in emergency and in the university setting. Not exactly your everyday vet clinics. -Abby A Pem, an Aussie, and a Pug (Owner-handled to his championship!) **remove shoes to reply** |
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LiLtkdGrL wrote: Opiates are not going to be used for something like arthritis or take home post-op pain management. (In exceptional cases, morphine in tablet form may be prescribed, but not very often) There are a few reasons.. They are controlled drugs which have the potential for their humans to abuse them, Precisely my suspicious in the USA. Pretty sad if you ask me. they can cause bradycardia (slow heart rate), slowed respiratory rate, & hypothermia. These systems are no worse then the liver damage caused by Rimadyl. I believe Rimadyl, but maybe it is deramaxx is very similar to Celebrex and vioxx which there are numerous class action lawsuits at this time by humans who have been given this stuff for chronic pain management. They really don't work that well and if they do one really isn't in that much chronic pain. Owners may not be well-equipped to deal with these side-effects at home, and a pet can But they are well equipped to deal with liver damage and renal failure? That really seems very Political as far as I am concerned, ie "war on drugs" more than logical by nature. Not exactly your everyday vet clinics. -Abby A Pem, an Aussie, and a Pug (Owner-handled to his championship!) **remove shoes to reply** Thanks Abby not ranting at you per say. But this whole mentality of abuse really hits a raw nerve with me. In both humans as well as their pets. Gwen |
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Precisely my suspicious in the USA. Pretty sad if you ask me.
Yeah, but it happens. These systems are no worse then the liver damage caused by Rimadyl. Well, if the client is having blood chems done as recommended by the vet, you can catch those things early and reverse. Most owners know what vomiting and diarrhea look like. Many don't know how to guage a slow heart rate or respiratory rate--opiates can cause the heart to stop and decrease resp rates to critical rates if the owner doesn't look out for side effects and keeps giving doses. But they are well equipped to deal with liver damage and renal failure? Yes, as said before, if the owners are doing recommended blood chems and catch things early, or don't "wait it out" if they notice a reaction, many times the liver/kidney problems can be reversed or stopped. If the heart stops, the pet is dead. No reversing that. But this whole mentality of abuse really hits a raw nerve with me. In both humans as well as their pets. Well, if people weren't so stupid and sue-happy, we wouldn't have to be so scared of liability. -Abby A Pem, an Aussie, and a Pug (Owner-handled to his championship!) **remove shoes to reply** |
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or don't "wait it out" if they notice a reaction
That should be "if they don't seek treatment and 'wait it out.'" Sheesh. -Abby A Pem, an Aussie, and a Pug (Owner-handled to his championship!) **remove shoes to reply** |
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