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Old July 29th 05, 03:43 AM
osayo
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Hello, new to the group and just looking for a bit of help for a dog I
rescued, here is a copy of my post to one of my "regular" groups...to
explain more about the "collar" it was one of those "automatic" shock
collars that is only suppose to work when the dog barks, it malfunctioned
and burned four holes in the dog's neck...I felt so bad and have taken
action against the company, but unrelated, I was hoping through a friendly
chain of word of mouth a good home could be found for this puppy......any
help would be appreciated.

Thanks

G




Hey family people, need a bit of help.........remember the post I did a
while back about my dog's automatic shock collar? OK good........well,
unrelated, but about the dog anyway......

He is a border Collie, tan and white and not yet a year old.. He came from
an Australian breeder, so he is purebred. Well, I have to get rid of
him....he was given to me by a single mom that couldn't take care of him
anymore. I have all his paperwork.

I reminded you about the collar because I don't think he will be able to be
"shown" but his line is good enough for breeding. I contacted the local
rescue and they want him neutered.......I can't see doing that if a breeder
would like him.......yes, it is true he is stuck here in Hawaii, but if a
reputable breeder would like him, I am willing to let him go for the price
of airfare especially since he was given to me.

Does anyone know anybody interested? I know it is a stretch, but I was
hoping around the world somewhere someone would want this wonderful pup. I
can't see dropping him off at the local shelter or getting him fixed with
his bloodline.

OK, now for the reason WHY I have to get rid of him......as I said, he was
given to me a couple of months ago and it was a last minute "rescue" on my
part from this young girl who thought life was going to be perfect with her
and her dog until she ended up "pregnant and husbandless"....I have been on
an adoption list for the past three years for a retired police dog and low
and behold, one is up for adoption and I have been chosen to be the
pasture...I "could" keep both and have all intentions on doing so "if" I
can't find a good home for the border collie, but I know it would be very
difficult to keep both dogs and I don't know if they would get along both
being male. The collie needs someone who can train him and utilize him the
way he was intended, my police dog is going to laze around the house and be
irritated by a puppy jumping all over him.

Anyone know of any good ideas for the collie? Here in Hawaii there are no
options......all he needs is a plane ticket and a good home.

G




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Old July 29th 05, 04:21 AM
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On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 02:43:29 GMT osayo whittled these words:
He is a border Collie, tan and white and not yet a year old.. He came from
an Australian breeder, so he is purebred. Well, I have to get rid of


There are hundreds of purebred Border Collies homeless and dying in
shelters. Being purebred does not save them from the needle. Having geat
"papers" does not save them from the needle.

http://www.petfinder.org currently lists over 3000 Border Collies and
Border Collie mixes.

him....he was given to me by a single mom that couldn't take care of him
anymore. I have all his paperwork.


Lots of people can't care for Border Collies. They are not a good breed
for the casual dog owner. They are a heck of a lot of fun for the person
who enjoys doing things with their dog. Unfortunately that is not most
people.

I reminded you about the collar because I don't think he will be able to be
"shown" but his line is good enough for breeding. I contacted the local


Good lines does not mean good breeding. Why do you want to encourage the
production of dogs who will die an early death? There is no shortage of
good border collies. No one needs to get one from a breeder who cared so
little about the bloodlines that they did nothing to protect the welfare
of the dog.

rescue and they want him neutered.......I can't see doing that if a breeder
would like him.......yes, it is true he is stuck here in Hawaii, but if
reputable breeder would like him, I am willing to let him go for the price
of airfare especially since he was given to me.


If you actually care about the life of this dog then neuter him and allow
rescue to help you place him properly.

No "reputable" breeder is going to use him. The only "breeders" who would
use him are those who care more about the money than the dog. If you care
about this dog please do him the favor of neutering him. That is your only
way of seeing that someone takes him because they want HIM not the dollars
they think they can get from putting him permanently in a kennel to
produce puppies. Spending the rest of his days in a cage is not a kind way
to treat this dog, but that is what you are setting him up for.

Does anyone know anybody interested? I know it is a stretch, but I was
hoping around the world somewhere someone would want this wonderful pup. I
can't see dropping him off at the local shelter or getting him fixed with
his bloodline.


His bloodline is not going to be anything special. If it were, the dog
would have been placed on a contract that would allow the breeder to
recover or place the dog instead of seeing it given away to someone
unprepared to keep it. The dog is not good enough that the breeder cared
what happened to it.


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Old July 29th 05, 04:37 AM
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There are hundreds of purebred Border Collies homeless and dying in
shelters. Being purebred does not save them from the needle. Having geat
"papers" does not save them from the needle.

http://www.petfinder.org currently lists over 3000 Border Collies and
Border Collie mixes.


His bloodline is not going to be anything special. If it were, the dog
would have been placed on a contract that would allow the breeder to
recover or place the dog instead of seeing it given away to someone
unprepared to keep it. The dog is not good enough that the breeder cared
what happened to it.


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Diane Blackman
http://dog-play.com/
http://dogplay.com/Shop/dogplayshop.htm


Well, this is all great information. I had no idea that these dogs were so
many and I didn't know about the "contract" to take the dog back. I never
followed the "purebred" circuit......I have always been the "mutt" type of
take in home. Sad for the dog......he did come from a pet store...I thought
these kind of things were more regulated, like breeders actually "cared" for
the animals they were breeding, especially when they charge so much for the
animals.

I thank you for your info and time......I will look into more options now
that I have this info.

G


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Old July 29th 05, 08:24 AM
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"osayo" wrote in message
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I reminded you about the collar because I don't think he will be able to

be
"shown" but his line is good enough for breeding. I contacted the local
rescue and they want him neutered.......I can't see doing that if a

breeder
would like him.......yes, it is true he is stuck here in Hawaii, but if a
reputable breeder would like him, I am willing to let him go for the price
of airfare especially since he was given to me.


I don't think you realize how awful an idea this is. Think about it - this
dog is homeless, because his original owner and now you are unable to keep
him. Does it really make any sense to consider using him to produce MORE
dogs? When he himself is currently in need of a home? There is absolutely no
reason to keep this dog intact, and if you have a local rescue that is
willing to help you, you should thank your lucky stars. In many areas of the
US, dogs like this are too plentiful for rescues to be able to help them
all, and many die as a result. The only dogs that should be bred, especially
Border Collies, are those who are proven to be assets to the gene pool as
well as fully health tested clear of genetic disorders. This dog will not
prove to be a loss to the gene pool when neutered, but could definitely
prove to be very damaging if he ends up in a puppy mill producing future
generations of dogs that may be homeless, or with health or temperament
issues. Please neuter this dog and work with the rescue to find him a
permanent home. That is the ONLY responsible thing to do.

Christy


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Old July 29th 05, 08:30 AM
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"osayo" wrote in message
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Sad for the dog......he did come from a pet store...


This means he was produced by a puppy mill. The fact that his ancestors are
Australian simply means someone imported them and sold them, or their
offspring, to a mill. That is all that is found in pet stores - dogs bought
from mills, by brokers, to sell to uneducated impulse buyers.

I thought
these kind of things were more regulated, like breeders actually "cared"

for
the animals they were breeding, especially when they charge so much for

the
animals.


There are USDA regulations, which simply mean a minimum of care and living
conditions for the dogs, just like livestock. Even if those conditions aer
met, which most are not, it is no life for a companion animal - living in a
cage, with little human contact, being bred until they cannot breed anymore
then disposed of like trash.
Breeders who care do not sell to pet stores, and they don't sell to young
impulse buyers, because they want good, appropriate homes for the pups they
produce. The folks who do it for money sell to anyone and don't care what
happens next. Its sad, and until the demand is gone, the supply will
continue to be produced. Don't be part of it.

Christy


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Old July 29th 05, 02:19 PM
Michael A. Ball
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On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 03:37:29 GMT, "osayo" wrote:

...Sad for the dog......he did come from a pet store...I thought
these kind of things were more regulated, like breeders actually "cared" for
the animals they were breeding, especially when they charge so much for the
animals.


For almost every one of us, including myself, there is a point in our
life when pet stores seem so wonderful! Eventually, we learn the truth.
Now that you've been through this rite of passage, I hope you'll join
the crusade against puppy mills, pet store sales of dogs and
irresponsible pet ownership.

By the way, I have a special admiration for mutt guardians.

When I die, I want to go where dogs go!
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Old July 29th 05, 03:58 PM
Paula
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On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:19:39 -0400, Michael A. Ball
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 03:37:29 GMT, "osayo" wrote:

...Sad for the dog......he did come from a pet store...I thought
these kind of things were more regulated, like breeders actually "cared" for
the animals they were breeding, especially when they charge so much for the
animals.


For almost every one of us, including myself, there is a point in our
life when pet stores seem so wonderful! Eventually, we learn the truth.
Now that you've been through this rite of passage, I hope you'll join
the crusade against puppy mills, pet store sales of dogs and
irresponsible pet ownership.


My daughters saw their first puppies in the window yesterday. We
don't shop at stores that sell dogs, so they hadn't been exposed to it
before they walked by such a shop and saw the dogs. I agreed that
they were darling puppies, but talked about how sad it was how they
probably had been brought into this world and how bad it was for them
to have to pee and poop in the same area they lived in so they would
not be able to be crate trained and would think nothing of being
surrounded by filth. OTOH, they have seen what great dogs come out of
shelters and rescue. The sooner they learn, the better, IMO.

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Paula
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Old July 29th 05, 06:02 PM
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Melinda Shore wrote:
In article 92tGe.2080$r12.1918@trndny04,
Janet Puistonen wrote:
You know, none of the shelters in southern Maine are kill shelters,
and they have actually started importing dogs from shelters in other
states, especially in the South, that are overcrowded. It's strange
that there appear to be these regional differences.


A lot of it has to do with demographics, economics, and so
on. I was very surprised to see the number of really,
really nice purebred dogs in the Newark, NJ shelter (I went
down there as part of an effort to pull 14 purebred Siberian
Huskies that were there and shortlisted for the needle). We
rarely get purebreds in our local shelters.


It seems like an inordinate number of the dogs in our shelters are pit
mixes. And lab and Rott mixes. Not many purebreds. (Maybe the rescues pull
them all out...)


 




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