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help anyone?
Hello, new to the group and just looking for a bit of help for a dog I
rescued, here is a copy of my post to one of my "regular" groups...to explain more about the "collar" it was one of those "automatic" shock collars that is only suppose to work when the dog barks, it malfunctioned and burned four holes in the dog's neck...I felt so bad and have taken action against the company, but unrelated, I was hoping through a friendly chain of word of mouth a good home could be found for this puppy......any help would be appreciated. Thanks G Hey family people, need a bit of help.........remember the post I did a while back about my dog's automatic shock collar? OK good........well, unrelated, but about the dog anyway...... He is a border Collie, tan and white and not yet a year old.. He came from an Australian breeder, so he is purebred. Well, I have to get rid of him....he was given to me by a single mom that couldn't take care of him anymore. I have all his paperwork. I reminded you about the collar because I don't think he will be able to be "shown" but his line is good enough for breeding. I contacted the local rescue and they want him neutered.......I can't see doing that if a breeder would like him.......yes, it is true he is stuck here in Hawaii, but if a reputable breeder would like him, I am willing to let him go for the price of airfare especially since he was given to me. Does anyone know anybody interested? I know it is a stretch, but I was hoping around the world somewhere someone would want this wonderful pup. I can't see dropping him off at the local shelter or getting him fixed with his bloodline. OK, now for the reason WHY I have to get rid of him......as I said, he was given to me a couple of months ago and it was a last minute "rescue" on my part from this young girl who thought life was going to be perfect with her and her dog until she ended up "pregnant and husbandless"....I have been on an adoption list for the past three years for a retired police dog and low and behold, one is up for adoption and I have been chosen to be the pasture...I "could" keep both and have all intentions on doing so "if" I can't find a good home for the border collie, but I know it would be very difficult to keep both dogs and I don't know if they would get along both being male. The collie needs someone who can train him and utilize him the way he was intended, my police dog is going to laze around the house and be irritated by a puppy jumping all over him. Anyone know of any good ideas for the collie? Here in Hawaii there are no options......all he needs is a plane ticket and a good home. G |
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On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 02:43:29 GMT osayo whittled these words:
He is a border Collie, tan and white and not yet a year old.. He came from an Australian breeder, so he is purebred. Well, I have to get rid of There are hundreds of purebred Border Collies homeless and dying in shelters. Being purebred does not save them from the needle. Having geat "papers" does not save them from the needle. http://www.petfinder.org currently lists over 3000 Border Collies and Border Collie mixes. him....he was given to me by a single mom that couldn't take care of him anymore. I have all his paperwork. Lots of people can't care for Border Collies. They are not a good breed for the casual dog owner. They are a heck of a lot of fun for the person who enjoys doing things with their dog. Unfortunately that is not most people. I reminded you about the collar because I don't think he will be able to be "shown" but his line is good enough for breeding. I contacted the local Good lines does not mean good breeding. Why do you want to encourage the production of dogs who will die an early death? There is no shortage of good border collies. No one needs to get one from a breeder who cared so little about the bloodlines that they did nothing to protect the welfare of the dog. rescue and they want him neutered.......I can't see doing that if a breeder would like him.......yes, it is true he is stuck here in Hawaii, but if reputable breeder would like him, I am willing to let him go for the price of airfare especially since he was given to me. If you actually care about the life of this dog then neuter him and allow rescue to help you place him properly. No "reputable" breeder is going to use him. The only "breeders" who would use him are those who care more about the money than the dog. If you care about this dog please do him the favor of neutering him. That is your only way of seeing that someone takes him because they want HIM not the dollars they think they can get from putting him permanently in a kennel to produce puppies. Spending the rest of his days in a cage is not a kind way to treat this dog, but that is what you are setting him up for. Does anyone know anybody interested? I know it is a stretch, but I was hoping around the world somewhere someone would want this wonderful pup. I can't see dropping him off at the local shelter or getting him fixed with his bloodline. His bloodline is not going to be anything special. If it were, the dog would have been placed on a contract that would allow the breeder to recover or place the dog instead of seeing it given away to someone unprepared to keep it. The dog is not good enough that the breeder cared what happened to it. -- Diane Blackman http://dog-play.com/ http://dogplay.com/Shop/dogplayshop.htm |
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There are hundreds of purebred Border Collies homeless and dying in shelters. Being purebred does not save them from the needle. Having geat "papers" does not save them from the needle. http://www.petfinder.org currently lists over 3000 Border Collies and Border Collie mixes. His bloodline is not going to be anything special. If it were, the dog would have been placed on a contract that would allow the breeder to recover or place the dog instead of seeing it given away to someone unprepared to keep it. The dog is not good enough that the breeder cared what happened to it. -- Diane Blackman http://dog-play.com/ http://dogplay.com/Shop/dogplayshop.htm Well, this is all great information. I had no idea that these dogs were so many and I didn't know about the "contract" to take the dog back. I never followed the "purebred" circuit......I have always been the "mutt" type of take in home. Sad for the dog......he did come from a pet store...I thought these kind of things were more regulated, like breeders actually "cared" for the animals they were breeding, especially when they charge so much for the animals. I thank you for your info and time......I will look into more options now that I have this info. G |
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"osayo" wrote in message ... I reminded you about the collar because I don't think he will be able to be "shown" but his line is good enough for breeding. I contacted the local rescue and they want him neutered.......I can't see doing that if a breeder would like him.......yes, it is true he is stuck here in Hawaii, but if a reputable breeder would like him, I am willing to let him go for the price of airfare especially since he was given to me. I don't think you realize how awful an idea this is. Think about it - this dog is homeless, because his original owner and now you are unable to keep him. Does it really make any sense to consider using him to produce MORE dogs? When he himself is currently in need of a home? There is absolutely no reason to keep this dog intact, and if you have a local rescue that is willing to help you, you should thank your lucky stars. In many areas of the US, dogs like this are too plentiful for rescues to be able to help them all, and many die as a result. The only dogs that should be bred, especially Border Collies, are those who are proven to be assets to the gene pool as well as fully health tested clear of genetic disorders. This dog will not prove to be a loss to the gene pool when neutered, but could definitely prove to be very damaging if he ends up in a puppy mill producing future generations of dogs that may be homeless, or with health or temperament issues. Please neuter this dog and work with the rescue to find him a permanent home. That is the ONLY responsible thing to do. Christy |
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"osayo" wrote in message ... Sad for the dog......he did come from a pet store... This means he was produced by a puppy mill. The fact that his ancestors are Australian simply means someone imported them and sold them, or their offspring, to a mill. That is all that is found in pet stores - dogs bought from mills, by brokers, to sell to uneducated impulse buyers. I thought these kind of things were more regulated, like breeders actually "cared" for the animals they were breeding, especially when they charge so much for the animals. There are USDA regulations, which simply mean a minimum of care and living conditions for the dogs, just like livestock. Even if those conditions aer met, which most are not, it is no life for a companion animal - living in a cage, with little human contact, being bred until they cannot breed anymore then disposed of like trash. Breeders who care do not sell to pet stores, and they don't sell to young impulse buyers, because they want good, appropriate homes for the pups they produce. The folks who do it for money sell to anyone and don't care what happens next. Its sad, and until the demand is gone, the supply will continue to be produced. Don't be part of it. Christy |
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On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 03:37:29 GMT, "osayo" wrote:
...Sad for the dog......he did come from a pet store...I thought these kind of things were more regulated, like breeders actually "cared" for the animals they were breeding, especially when they charge so much for the animals. For almost every one of us, including myself, there is a point in our life when pet stores seem so wonderful! Eventually, we learn the truth. Now that you've been through this rite of passage, I hope you'll join the crusade against puppy mills, pet store sales of dogs and irresponsible pet ownership. By the way, I have a special admiration for mutt guardians. When I die, I want to go where dogs go! |
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On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 09:19:39 -0400, Michael A. Ball
wrote: On Fri, 29 Jul 2005 03:37:29 GMT, "osayo" wrote: ...Sad for the dog......he did come from a pet store...I thought these kind of things were more regulated, like breeders actually "cared" for the animals they were breeding, especially when they charge so much for the animals. For almost every one of us, including myself, there is a point in our life when pet stores seem so wonderful! Eventually, we learn the truth. Now that you've been through this rite of passage, I hope you'll join the crusade against puppy mills, pet store sales of dogs and irresponsible pet ownership. My daughters saw their first puppies in the window yesterday. We don't shop at stores that sell dogs, so they hadn't been exposed to it before they walked by such a shop and saw the dogs. I agreed that they were darling puppies, but talked about how sad it was how they probably had been brought into this world and how bad it was for them to have to pee and poop in the same area they lived in so they would not be able to be crate trained and would think nothing of being surrounded by filth. OTOH, they have seen what great dogs come out of shelters and rescue. The sooner they learn, the better, IMO. -- Paula "Anyway, other people are weird, but sometimes they have candy, so it's best to try to get along with them." Joe Bay |
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Michael A. Ball wrote:
On 29 Jul 2005 03:21:32 GMT, wrote: ...Being purebred does not save them from the needle. Having great "papers" does not save them from the needle... I certainly can second that! Its nothing short of amazing to see the number of purebred dogs killed at the local shelter. When I die, I want to go where dogs go! You know, none of the shelters in southern Maine are kill shelters, and they have actually started importing dogs from shelters in other states, especially in the South, that are overcrowded. It's strange that there appear to be these regional differences. |
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Melinda Shore wrote:
In article 92tGe.2080$r12.1918@trndny04, Janet Puistonen wrote: You know, none of the shelters in southern Maine are kill shelters, and they have actually started importing dogs from shelters in other states, especially in the South, that are overcrowded. It's strange that there appear to be these regional differences. A lot of it has to do with demographics, economics, and so on. I was very surprised to see the number of really, really nice purebred dogs in the Newark, NJ shelter (I went down there as part of an effort to pull 14 purebred Siberian Huskies that were there and shortlisted for the needle). We rarely get purebreds in our local shelters. It seems like an inordinate number of the dogs in our shelters are pit mixes. And lab and Rott mixes. Not many purebreds. (Maybe the rescues pull them all out...) |
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