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Visitor looking For Some Sanity.... Am I In The Right Place?
HOWEDY Master Of Deception blankman,
wrote: On 27 Aug 2005 23:57:17 -0700 Pawman whittled these words: I've just spent a couple of hours reading 100 of this groups most recent posts and I have a question to ask..... Are there any serious dog behaviourists here Yes CITE WON, please, Master Of Deception blanman? or are they all like Mr Howe The so called Puppy Wizard? No BET YOUR LIFE ON IT, Master Of Deception blankman. But if you use Google groups you will have a hard time as you can't easily select out the noise. You mean KILLFILE the INFORMATION which IDENTIFIES EXXXPOSES and DISCREDITS you as a fraud a liar a coward a mental case and dog abuser, Master Of Deception blankman? You need to use a newsreader on a real newsfeed instead of Google's faux groups. Seems Google's archives PROVES you're a LIAR a COWARD A DOG ABUSER a SPAMMER and MENTAL CASE. -- Diane Blackman SNIP CRAP SPAM LINKS HOWEDY Master Of Deception blankman, Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.breeds From: "Robin" Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2005 14:26:47 GMT Subject: How to teach NO wrote in message oups.com... How do you teach a puppy the meaning of NO? Thanks ! Firmly say NO, then don't allow them to continue what they were doing. Do this consistently and it becomes quite clear. Robin http://community.webshots.com/user/robinandtami wrote: On 4 Jul 2005 09:47:31 -0700 whittled these words: I can see that for chewing INDEEDY... THAT'S HOWE COME you bums can't poison proof or perimeter train your dogs. NO WON GOT A CURE for C-HOWENTER SURFIN on accHOWENT of TELLIN DOGS "NO!" ONLY TEACHES THEM TO DO THE BEHAVIOR SOON AS YOU AIN'T STANDING THERE THREATENING AND INTIMIDATING. but how about for barking, Barking is a SYMPTOM of SUMPTHIN WRONG. how do you not allow them to continue? You can EXXXTINGUISH undesirable barkin in moments if you PRAISE the dog IN ADVANCE and if necessary distract and praise according to The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students ALL OVER The WHOWEL WILD WORLD who REPORT their 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS RIGHT HERE. You punk thug coward MENTAL CASES call them liars and their posts FORGERIES by The Amazing Puppy Wizard {); ~ ) Depends on why they are barking. That don't change HOWE we HANDLE and TRAIN the dog Master Of Deception blankman. THAT'S HOWE COME The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students ALL OVER The WHOWEL WILD WORLD GET 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS {); ~ ) If it is alarm barking You mean if the dog is AFRAID, Master Of Deception blankman. the best way to get them to stop is to first get them to trust that you are paying attention to their alram. You mean INSTEAD of building TRUST and CONFIDENCE so the dog WON'T NEED to bark, Master Of Deception blankman? For the first two weeks The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students ALL OVER The WHOWEL WILD WORLD REPORT CURING ALL temperament and behavior problems NEARLY INSTANTLY, not in two weeks. go and look every time. Yeah... but that won't work. PERHAPS THAT'S HOWE COME you DO THAT for two weeks pryor to tryin SUMPTHIN ELSE like SHOCKING and SPRAYIN AVERSIVES and SURGICALLY MUTILATING the dog, AS YOU RECOMMEND AND DO TO YOUR OWN FEAR AGGRESSIVE DOGS, Master Of Deception blankman? Big pain, yes, but very good time investmetn. That so? That's UNACCEPTABLE to The Amazing Puppy Wizard, Master Of Deception blankman. SomeWON could get EVICTED in two weeks of that kinda barkin like your pals here GOT. Look and acknowledge. THEN WHAAAT? SHOCK THE DOG? If it is nothing just say "Silly dog, nothing there". THAT AIN'T WHAT THE DOG WANTS TO HEAR. The dog WANTS to hear you tell him HE DONE GOOD. and if there is "good dog, THAT would be INCONSISTENT, wouldn't it. THAT'S HOWE COME YOU CAN'T TRAIN A DOG NOT TO BARK NEARLY INSTANTLY WITHHOWET HURTIN IT. quiet now. You mean OPPOSE IT, Master Of Deception blankman? Then go halfway , Oh, you're fixin to SNEAK UP on EXXXTINGUISHING the barkin? make a show of listening, and make *darned sure* you are right that there is nothing to be alrmed about. BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!! THAT'S INSANE, Master Of Deception blankman. Dogs can hear STUFF you can't. HOWE CAN you "KNOW" if it's "safe" or not? The dog can HEAR bats flyin and other critters who's scent permeates the HOWES from HOWEtside. Do the same thing. You mean DO WHAT DIDN'T WORK, someMOORE? THAT'S INSANE, Master Of Deception blankman. As the dogs begin to trust that you can handle the problem you need only show alertness and they will accept your lead. BWEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHHAAAA!!! You think he should sit in the window? If your dogs don't trust that you are both willing and able to respond to things that worry them then you won't be able to teach them to hush. THAT'S A LOAD OF CRAP. You CAN'T TEACH a dog to HUSH, you have to EXXXTINGUISH his REFLEXIVE BEHAVIOR, Master Of Deception blankman. If it is anxiety, Then NON PHYSICAL PRAISE will CALM him, Master Of Deception blankman JUST LIKE HOWE IT SEZ in all those REPORTS from ALL OVER The WHOWEL WILD WORLD The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Students whom you CALL LIARS and FORGERIES by The Amazing Puppy Wizard {); ~ ) then remove or protect them from the source of anxiety. You mean AVOID the PROBLEM on accHOWENT of YOU AIN'T GOT NO ADVICE on accHOWENT OF YOUR OWN DOGS GOT THE SAME PROBLEMS... haven't they, MASTER OF DECEPTION blankman. If it is boredom BORED DOGS SLEEP. then spend more time exercsing their minds. You mean, like settin in the window tellin the dog there's nuthin there? And if they just enjoy barking Dogs ONLY "ENJOY" barkin when they're PLAYIN. then remove them from the thing that stimulates the barking. Mostly dogs that AIN'T barkin at SUMPTHIN are barkin AT their people for ATTENTION. Tellin the dog to GO AWAY and lockin IT in a box or otherWIZE AVOIDING THE PROBLEM INCREASES anXXXIHOWESNESS and REINFORCES the PROBLEM. My dogs get three barks then inside they come. BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA!!! You've jerked choked shocked sprayed aversives in your dog's faces bribed locked them in boxes beaten them in the face with your shepherd's crook and resorted to DAY BOARDING your own HOWETA CON-TROLL dogs, Master Of Deception blankman. -- Diane Blackman http://dog-play.com/ http://dogplay.com/Shop/dogplayshop.htm HOWEDY Master Of Deception blankman, wrote: On 2 Jul 2005 23:07:39 -0700 whittled these words: I wanted to see if anyone could offer some good proven information on training my 8 week old Cane Corso. I have read that this breed needs to be worked with at a very young age. I don't want to miss a step so any help would be a great. 1. Try to find a puppy class with an *experienced instructor*. You mean like the WONS your lying dog abusing punk thug coward mental case PALS sell, Master Of Deception blankman? BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAHHAAAA!!! The Amazing Puppy Wizard will QUOTE a couple of your EXXXPERIENCED PROFESSIONAL TRAINERS RIGHT HERE and IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT them by their very own written words JUST LIKE HOWE HE DISCREDITS YOU, Master Of Deception blankman. You want a controlled environment, not a puppy free for all. You mean, LIKE THIS?: "J1Boss" wrote in message ... He was next to me and I could see his neck muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye. Janet Boss "sionnach" wrote in message ... "J1Boss" wrote in message ... I can't imagine needing anything higher than a 5 with it, even with an insensitive dog like a Lab. An INSENSITIVE DOG??? I can't remember what model of Innotek I have, but I had apointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9. Jerking choking and shockin and lockin dogs in boxes and ignoring their cries makes their dogs go "EWWWW" but they don't NOTICE EXXXCEPT to spray BINACA in their eyes and jerk and choke them on pronged spiked pinch choke collars and shock and spray MOORE aversives in their faces. Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL cause the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's been sprayed in the face and the dog won't know HOWE COME IT was MACED? My dogs are not human children wearing fur- they are DOGS. They're DUMB ANIMALS they HURT and MURDER. You're blowin smoke up HOWER arses again, Master Of Deception blankman {); ~ ) Proper socialization involved *exposure* and *familiarity* Socialization is DONE by the time the puppy leaves his litter box, Master Of Deception blankman otherWIZE we'd be dealin with a feral dog, Master Of Deception blankman {); ~ ) but not necessarily "playing with" other dogs. Looks like you want it BOTH WAYS again, eh Master Of Deception blanklman? You AIN'T GETTIN it BOTH ways UNLESS The Amazing Puppy Wizard is GIVIN IT to you BOTH WAYS, you miserable lying dog abusing punk thug coward mental case. The purpose of play is to model adult behavior, That so? You mean, by playin in a group of puppies? so whatever class you take make sure that the behavior allowed for the puppies is the behavior you want to see in the adult. THAT'S A LOAD OF CRAP. You're blowin smoke up HOWER arses again you lying dog abusing punk thug mental case. 2, The video tape "Sirius Puppy Training" by Ian Dunbar BWEEEEEEEEEEHAHAHAHHAHAHAA!!! YOU MAKE MONEY OFF OF SELLIN THAT CRAP, Master Of Deception blankman. The Amazing Puppy Wizard has POSTED CASE HISTORIES DISCREDITING your punk thug coward mental case pal dr. ian dunbar as well as your PUPPY CLASS TRAINERS and METHODS and well, EVERY THING YOU SEZ, you miserable lying dog abusin punk thug coward mental case. "J1Boss" wrote in message ... Leah wrote: Ian Dunbar has me convinced that (1) a dog who lunges and bites and doesn't even HURT is not a dangerous dog, Interesting. I just read someone else's take on the same seminar, and let's say they had a very different opinion than yours. I also disagree with his opinion. dangerous comes in many forms. PLEASE Leah - read, listen and don't jump on any "I am goD" bandwagons. Take all information for what it is - opinion. Janet Boss http://bestfriendsdogobedience.com/ --------------------------------- cannot substitute for in-person instruction BWEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHHAHAAAA!!! You mean, LIKE THIS?: "It was kind of funny, in an absurd way. The rabbit was completely still, eyes open and glazed, dried blood in his ears and mouth, with his back legs stiffening quickly. It was her pet rabbit, not a wild bunny, so that made it much harder for her. And he was killed by bichons. Her dogs had torn it apart. My one student who had shown up (another weird thing about the night) and I had to continuously check for heart and bowel sounds for her, until she could accept that the rabbit was dead. (The rigor mortis in his back legs she attributed to "pain"). Full moon. Canine Action Dog Trainer http://www.canineaction.com Then she mentioned the names of her dogs, and I immediately remembered them. YOUR STUDENT, leah. Like that RECENT GRADUATE STUDENT Rottie who'd been in your SOCIALIZATION classes since IT was ten weeks old who RECENTLY MURDERED a little innocent DEAD DOG at the park. I will always remember the dogs. Yeah. You and ed w of PET LOSS dot COIN. "Jerry is the only poster here who gives dangerous advice. Google for spike and squirt. And let's not forget the times he's told posters whose dogs have medical problems that his halfwits-end program could cure them." PetsMart Pet Trainer My Kids, My Students, My Life: HOWEDY leah, "Leah" wrote in message ... In any case, PLEASE do NOT respond to his posts. The EXXXPERTS like professor SCRUFF SHAKE dermer and dr plonksky of UofWI won't respond to The Amazing Puppy Wizard on accHOWENT of HE DISCREDITS THEM every time HE QUOTES them. BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAA!!! The EXXXPERT professional dog trainers have likeWIZE been IDENTIFIED EXXXPOSED and DISCREDITED as incompetent dogs abusing punk thug cowards and active long term incurable MENTAL CASES and FRAUDS, JUST LIKE professor SCRUFF SHAKE and dr plonksky and captain arthur haggerty, lying frosty dahl, Master Of Deception blankman, et al. BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! Block them if you can, or at least ignore them. You bums can't post here abHOWETS nodoGgamenendMOORE. A little additional info... NO PROBLEMO!: "She bit me on the nose. That was a true bite. Not unprovoked, but still a bite. The snarling and barking was vicious - the bite was a quick snap, and the cuts weren't deep." "Once I was holding her bone for her while she chewed it (something she loves). She mistakenly put a tooth in my finger instead of the bone." (Of curse leah FORGOT to mention she JUST FINISHED her POSSESSION AGGRESSION CLASSES for two weeks on her pronged spiked pinch choke collar). "The other time was something I reported here because I thought it was funny. I was sitting on the floor with my supposedly agile, coordinated BC dancing around me, mouth hanging open with tongue flopping goofily. She tripped over my legs and fell tooth-first into my forehead." "Oh, okay. One more, I guess. When I had only had her a few days, and she hadn't yet learned not to nip during play, she jumped up and grabbed my t-shirt, pinching some skin. It hurt but, again, there was no blood." "Leah" wrote in message ... By the way, you're talking to our resident loon that we all have killfiled. If you want to have a conversation with him here, you need to put [eggplant] or [jerry] in the subject line so that you don't get killfiled along with him. He's been posting the same abusive nonsense for years, and we really don't need to be reminded of his existence. :} | ALL behavior problems are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING. This is not true. Neither is anything else he posts. Probably 90% of the regulars on this ng have him killfiled. You mean the liars dog abusers cowards and active long term incurable mental cases, like yourself, leah? ------------------------- but it is better than nothing THAT'S A LIE. Here's YOUR PERSONAL REAL LIFE PAL lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn talkin abHOWET her evenin with dr. dunbar at his GRHOWEL class: I spent this evening at a small group session on dog-human aggression hosted by Open Paw. Ian Dunbar was the speaker That's DOCTOR ian dunbar, dog behavior fraudS. and was very clear that he uses P. You mean P as in PUNISHMENT or P as in PRAISE? Or P as in POO POO? We're gonna quit using CONfHOWENDING scrabble terms and RELY on INTELLIGENCE and HONESTY, things you've YET to learn abHOWET cause you'll do and say ANY THING to defend your alleged right to hurt and murder dogs as you PREFER. The distinction he made, and I think it's at the heart of the issue, is that he only uses what he calls "instructive punishment". IOW MOORE DHOWEble talk. lying "I LOVE KOEHELR" lynn REPORTED his "METHOD" DIDN'T WORK for her and her PALS who were at that "grHOWEL class": Lynn K.: In a talk on dog-dog aggression on 5/27. Given his propensity for repeating himself verbatim, I'll bet he's also written it somewhere :-) My biggest take-home from that evening actually came from a brief conversation with Tricia999 & some co-workers afterwards. They confirmed my experience that "growl classes" don't have a lasting impact on the reactivity of dog aggressive dogs. Our common experience was that the desensitization only lasted for the session and didn't carry forward. As an aside, you might want to get a copy of the little training manual they are using for shelter volunteers at www.openpaw.org The stuff on teaching people how to get into the kennel and get an excited dog out for a walk is excellent. Lynn K. So you see DOG LOVERS, YOUR METHODS DON'T WORK and YOUR EXXXPERTS ARE FRAUDS LIARS DOG ABUSERS COWARDS and ACTIVE LONG TERM INCURABLE MENTAL CASES and IT'S IN BLACK AND WHITE and html. But that's not the BEST part of havin you settin right here on The Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual Forums, DOG LOVERS. The BEST part is bein able to QUOTE your own words of your SUCCESSES HURTING INTIMIDATING and MURDERING your own DEAD and DEATHLY ILL dogs. and certainly worth starting with until you can find an appropriate class. You'd think we got ENOUGH advice RIGHT HE Here's professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM research at UofWI marshall "SCRUFF SHAKE and SCREAM "NO!" into ITS face for five seconds and lock IT in a box for ten minutes contemplation" dermer: "At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function. But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases then you will have achieved too things. First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased; and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher. How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted biting. ******IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?******* When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above). "No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog" to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works." That's HOWE COME your dog has OCD behaviors and is deathly ill from The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME. And The Amazing Puppy Wizard SEZ you can't post here abHOWETS noMOORE cause you're a liar and a dog abuser and a coward and a MENTAL CASE. I can't emphasize too strongly the importance of sticking with clued in people You mean, like yourself and your personal real life pals who choke shock bribe crate intimidate and MURDER your own DEAD DOGS, Master Of Deception blankman? and controlled social interaction. You mean, jerking choking bribing and avoiding. Stay away from dog parks because there tends to be a lot of bullying going on That so? and you do not want to put your dog into defensive mode. BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHAHAHAHHAHHAHHAAAA!!! -- Diane Blackman http://dog-play.com/ http://dogplay.com/Shop/dogplayshop.htm You're a SPAMMER, a SCAMMER, a LIAR, a DOG ABUSER, and ACTIVE ACUTE INCURABLE MENTAL CASE LIKE THESE LYING DOG ABUSING PUNK THUG COWARD MENTAL CASES: sinofabitch writes: What I have said- repeatedly - is that he took posts from two different people, took pieces of them out of context, cobbled them together, then added his own words: "Neatly," and "Smartly." and a fake signature. "sinofabitch" instead of sionnach. Which is exactly what he did. The actual quote is misleading when taken out of context, and Jerry's faked "quote" is downright meaningless. Here's Jerry's version "I Dropped The Leash, Threw My Right Arm Over The Lab's Shoulder, Grabbed Her Opposite Foot With My Left Hand, Rolled Her On Her Side, Leaned On Her, Smartly Growled Into Her Throat And Said "GRRRR!" And Neatly Nipped Her Ear," sinofabitch. Here's yours; "I dropped the leash, threw my right arm over the Lab's shoulder, grabbed her opposite foot with my left hand, rolled her on her side, leaned on her, said "GRRRR!" and nipped her ear. --Sara Sionnach BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!! That's INSANE. Ain't it. "When you get bagged for lying you're MARKED FOR LIFE," The Puppy Wizard's DADDY. BWEEEEEEAAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!! From: sionnach ) Subject: Correct use of prong collar Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST And Sally responded: Who said that? I would never do or recommend that, and neither would most of the regulars on here. Sally Hennessey I've posted my entire quote, since Patch failed to do so. Take it out of context and you'd think I was flinging puppies across the room! here's what I said (keep in mind that we're talking about a 12 week old ~25# FCR puppy): A small scruff shake is appropriate if he's ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ very persistant. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make it clearer- given that "scruff shake" is too easily misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"? I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy is very persistant, it can be appropriate to take hold of the loose skin at the back of the neck and give a slight shake to the *skin*". Janet's not talking about actually shaking the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is abusive." "Marshall Dermer" wrote in message ... Di, I don't believe you mentioned a particular kind of training. If you are interested in training retrieval behavior than do consider our own Amy Dahl's: The 10-Minute Retriever : How to Make a Well- Mannered, Obedient and Enthusiastic Gun Dog in 10 Minutes a Day by John I. Dahl, Amy Dahl You failed to mention your pals the dahls are proven liars and dog abusers, professor "SCRUFF SHAKE:" "I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog I Do Not Believe There Is A Single Circumstance Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is Anything But Destructive," "I don't see why anyone would want to choke or beat a dog, or how any trainer could possibly get a good working dog by making them unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying frosty dahl. just $17.95 at Amazon.com. (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the few regulars here who are either ill-tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.) --Marshall amy lying frosty dahl continues: "On the other extreme, the really ard dogs we have trained require much more frequent and heavy application of pressure (PAIN j.h.) to get the job done, This is continued resistance to your increasing authority, and the job is not done until it is overcome Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable dogs may require you to progress to striking them more sharply Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist! Eventually, the dog will give in but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their efforts to escaping the ear pinch You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell instead of your thumb even get a studded collar and pinch the ear against that Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so urgent that resisting your will fades in importance. CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready Right Hand, As it catches on, try using the stick and no ear pinch. When the dog is digging out to beat the stick and seems totally reliable without any ear pinch, you are finished If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin, say "No! Hold!" (stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because the ear is getting tender, or the dog has decided it isn't worth it)" lying frosty dahl. "Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap," professora gingold. terri willis, Psychoclown wrote: "Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is something you twisted out of context, because you are full of bizarro manure." lying frosty dahl sez she doesn't twist: "None of my posts, prior to or subsequent to Jerry Howe's attacks, encourage anyone to twist ears, beat dogs, confront, intimidate, frighten, or any of the crap he constantly attributes to me," lying frosty dahl. BWEEEEAHAHAHHAAA!!! "Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl, discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors. Perhaps the mom dog didn't want her babies HURT all their lives like HOWE HOWER dog lovers PREFER to HURT THEIR DOGS? "John ran out, grabbed Blackie by the collar, and gave the dog two or three medium whacks on the rump with a training stick while holding him partially off the ground. John then told Blackie to sit, ran back to the line and cast him back to the dummies." The Puppy Wizard sez a mom dog eatin her babies to SAVE THEM from a fate like that, is COMMENDABLE. We're gonna teach folks THAT AIN'T NORMAL... Sez on our FAQ'S pages at K9 Web you should knee the dog in the chest, step on its toes, throw him down by his ears and climb all over it like a raped ape growling into his throat and bite IT on his ears, or leash pop it on a pronged spiked pinch choke collar or pop him in the snout with the heel of your palm. "Many People Have Problems Getting The Pinch Right, Either They Do Not Pinch Enough, Or They Have A Very Stoic Dog. Some Dogs Will Collapse Into A Heap. About The Ear Pinch: You Must Keep The Pressure Up," sindy "don't let the dog SCREAM" mooreon, author of HOWER FAQ's pages on k9 web. "Rocky" wrote in message . 1.4... Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior: When you compare using sound and praise to solve a problem with using shock collars, hanging, and punishment how can you criticize the use of sound? There's nothing more to be said, then. You've made up your mind. But you've impressed me by mentioning that you're a professor with 30 years of experience. So, can you cite some examples of people recommending "shock collars, hanging, and punishment"? BWWWAWHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. Jerome Bigge writes: I do know that hitting, hurting your dog will often make the dog either aggressive or a fear biter, neither of which we want to do. And neither does anyone else, Jerome. No matter what Jerry Howe states. --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. You're scary Marilyn. Marilyn must be quite a disturbed individual. I feel very sorry for her and her family. BUT, giving you the benefit of the doubt, please provide a quote (an original quote, not from one of Jerry Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that shows a regular poster promoting or using an abusive form of training. --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. Is that true, Marilyn? Of course not~ but THIS IS: captain arthur haggerty SEZ: "A CHIN CHUCK" Makes A ResoundingSound Distraction: "When You Chuck The Dog The Sound Will Travel Up The Mandible To The Ears And Give A Popping Sound To The Dog." From: sionnach ) Subject: Correct use of prong collar Date: 2001-05-05 13:03:14 PST And Sally responded: Who said that? I would never do or recommend that, and neither would most of the regulars on here. Sally Hennessey I've posted my entire quote, since Patch failed to do so. Tke it out of context and you'd think I was flinging puppies across the room! here's what I said (keep in mind that we're talking about a 12 week old ~25# FCR puppy): A small scruff shake is appropriate if he's ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ very persistant. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Um, may I suggest a re-wording that might make it clearer-given that "scruff shake" is too easily misinterpreted as "pick the puppy up by the scruff of the neck and shake the puppy in the air"? I think I'd phrase it something like "if the puppy is very persistant, it can be appropriate to take hold of the loose skin at the back of the neck and give a slight shake to the *skin*". Janet's not talking about actually shaking the puppy, which I think we ALL agree is abusive. |
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