We have a 6-year old GSD/Collie cross who is displaying some rather odd
symptoms. About 3 months ago we were woken by our dog in the middle of
the night, crying out in pain, for what seemed about 30 seconds.
Immediately afterwards he was fine and slept the rest of the night.
Over the next few days he had a few more episodes, all very similar,
starting with a whine which grows louder and louder until it's a
full-blown cry of pain. Then after about 30 seconds he calms down and
within a few more seconds it's as if nothing has happened and he is
fine. We took him to the vet who thought there was some tenderness in
his middle spine and, suspecting a mild slipped disc and prescribed
some anti-inflammatory tablets. During the course of tablets he had
about 3 more of these episodes, all during the night. We tried him on a
range of anti-inflammatories but to no avail. Our own vet took a number
of X-rays of the spine and the hips but this revealed nothing. Our own
vet referred us to a specialist surgeon who, after seeing a video I
took of one of his "attacks", decided that it may be neurological so he
took an (expensive) MRI scan of his head. This revealed nothing wrong
with the brain but did show a small lesion in his cheek area. We
allowed the surgeon to carry out surgery to remove the lesion and found
a grass seed.

He is now recovering from the operation but, unfortunately, we are back
to square one. He continues to have these attacks, sometimes two or
three times a day.

Any ideas as to what could cause a sudden, shaprp pain which goes away
within about a minute. We thought it might be cramp in his hind
quarters but is there a cure?

In case anyone is interested, I have uploaded the video onto the web so
you can download and view it if you wish. It can be found at
www.the-nag.netfirms.com/files/wilson.AVI (3.23Mb file)

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Is he neutered? I'm wondering if he is for some reason experiencing
temporary torsion of his testicles. There may or may not be obvious swelling
of one testicle during the event. Has his semen been checked for blood? Any
lumps in the area? Of course if he's neutered, it's a moot point. ;-)

-Sharon

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"wilson" wrote in message
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We have a 6-year old GSD/Collie cross who is displaying some rather odd
symptoms. About 3 months ago we were woken by our dog in the middle of
the night, crying out in pain, for what seemed about 30 seconds.
Immediately afterwards he was fine and slept the rest of the night.
Over the next few days he had a few more episodes, all very similar,
starting with a whine which grows louder and louder until it's a
full-blown cry of pain. Then after about 30 seconds he calms down and
within a few more seconds it's as if nothing has happened and he is
fine. We took him to the vet who thought there was some tenderness in
his middle spine and, suspecting a mild slipped disc and prescribed
some anti-inflammatory tablets. During the course of tablets he had
about 3 more of these episodes, all during the night. We tried him on a
range of anti-inflammatories but to no avail. Our own vet took a number
of X-rays of the spine and the hips but this revealed nothing. Our own
vet referred us to a specialist surgeon who, after seeing a video I
took of one of his "attacks", decided that it may be neurological so he
took an (expensive) MRI scan of his head. This revealed nothing wrong
with the brain but did show a small lesion in his cheek area. We
allowed the surgeon to carry out surgery to remove the lesion and found
a grass seed.

He is now recovering from the operation but, unfortunately, we are back
to square one. He continues to have these attacks, sometimes two or
three times a day.

Any ideas as to what could cause a sudden, shaprp pain which goes away
within about a minute. We thought it might be cramp in his hind
quarters but is there a cure?

In case anyone is interested, I have uploaded the video onto the web so
you can download and view it if you wish. It can be found at
www.the-nag.netfirms.com/files/wilson.AVI (3.23Mb file)

Any help would be greatly appreciated.


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Thanks for the reply sharon, yes, he has been neutered. His "attacks"
are very spontaneous. For example, I was walking him today and after
about 1 mile, he suddenly started to whimper and I knew straight away
that he was starting. 30-40 seconds later he was fine. Once it is over,
he returns to being a normal, playful dog as if nothing has happened.
During his attacks he gives no indication of where the pain is coming
from and I have now completely exhausted my bank balance in trying to
determine the cause. My stress levels are off the scale and I don't
know what to do.

Thanks for the reply sharon, yes, he has been neutered. His "attacks"
are very spontaneous. For example, I was walking him today and after
about 1 mile, he suddenly started to whimper and I knew straight away
that he was starting. 30-40 seconds later he was fine. Once it is over,
he returns to being a normal, playful dog as if nothing has happened.
During his attacks he gives no indication of where the pain is coming
from and I have now completely exhausted my bank balance in trying to
determine the cause. My stress levels are off the scale and I don't
know what to do.

Sounds like a heart wrenching mystery. Sometimes the best vets can't get the
answers they're looking for. I wish you the best. Keep us updated.

-Sharon

Thanks for the reply sharon, yes, he has been neutered. His "attacks"
are very spontaneous. For example, I was walking him today and after
about 1 mile, he suddenly started to whimper and I knew straight away
that he was starting. 30-40 seconds later he was fine. Once it is over,
he returns to being a normal, playful dog as if nothing has happened.
During his attacks he gives no indication of where the pain is coming
from and I have now completely exhausted my bank balance in trying to
determine the cause. My stress levels are off the scale and I don't
know what to do.

Sounds like a heart wrenching mystery. Sometimes the best vets can't get the
answers they're looking for. I wish you the best. Keep us updated.

-Sharon

I saw the video and it's hard to tell but are you sure he's crying out in
pain? Just a thought but could it be he's vocalizing to get your attention?

As for the cramping you asked about did the vet check his lab values. If
he's cramping his potassium could possibly be out of wack and it should show
up in blood work.

Celeste






"wilson" wrote in message
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We have a 6-year old GSD/Collie cross who is displaying some rather odd
symptoms. About 3 months ago we were woken by our dog in the middle of
the night, crying out in pain, for what seemed about 30 seconds.
Immediately afterwards he was fine and slept the rest of the night.
Over the next few days he had a few more episodes, all very similar,
starting with a whine which grows louder and louder until it's a
full-blown cry of pain. Then after about 30 seconds he calms down and
within a few more seconds it's as if nothing has happened and he is
fine. We took him to the vet who thought there was some tenderness in
his middle spine and, suspecting a mild slipped disc and prescribed
some anti-inflammatory tablets. During the course of tablets he had
about 3 more of these episodes, all during the night. We tried him on a
range of anti-inflammatories but to no avail. Our own vet took a number
of X-rays of the spine and the hips but this revealed nothing. Our own
vet referred us to a specialist surgeon who, after seeing a video I
took of one of his "attacks", decided that it may be neurological so he
took an (expensive) MRI scan of his head. This revealed nothing wrong
with the brain but did show a small lesion in his cheek area. We
allowed the surgeon to carry out surgery to remove the lesion and found
a grass seed.

He is now recovering from the operation but, unfortunately, we are back
to square one. He continues to have these attacks, sometimes two or
three times a day.

Any ideas as to what could cause a sudden, shaprp pain which goes away
within about a minute. We thought it might be cramp in his hind
quarters but is there a cure?

In case anyone is interested, I have uploaded the video onto the web so
you can download and view it if you wish. It can be found at
www.the-nag.netfirms.com/files/wilson.AVI (3.23Mb file)

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

This case seems very much similar to our experience with our Bishon Frise
dog called Jack.
Following an inspection by the vet, no apparent physical abnormalities,
therefore assumption of neurological problem.
Initially he was given prednisolone and vivitonin tablets which seemed to
stabilise the situation.
Being an Ecoflow distributor I decided to fit him with a bioflow magnetic
dog collar and initial results are encouraging.I felt I had nothing to lose
since the product can be returned within 3 months if not satisfied.

I hope this information helps and that your beloved dog makes a full
recovery.

Aled Evans

Ecoflow Distributor, magnetic pain management for humans and animals.
http://www.healthmagnet.ik.com

"wilson" wrote in message
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We have a 6-year old GSD/Collie cross who is displaying some rather odd
symptoms. About 3 months ago we were woken by our dog in the middle of
the night, crying out in pain, for what seemed about 30 seconds.
Immediately afterwards he was fine and slept the rest of the night.
Over the next few days he had a few more episodes, all very similar,
starting with a whine which grows louder and louder until it's a
full-blown cry of pain. Then after about 30 seconds he calms down and
within a few more seconds it's as if nothing has happened and he is
fine. We took him to the vet who thought there was some tenderness in
his middle spine and, suspecting a mild slipped disc and prescribed
some anti-inflammatory tablets. During the course of tablets he had
about 3 more of these episodes, all during the night. We tried him on a
range of anti-inflammatories but to no avail. Our own vet took a number
of X-rays of the spine and the hips but this revealed nothing. Our own
vet referred us to a specialist surgeon who, after seeing a video I
took of one of his "attacks", decided that it may be neurological so he
took an (expensive) MRI scan of his head. This revealed nothing wrong
with the brain but did show a small lesion in his cheek area. We
allowed the surgeon to carry out surgery to remove the lesion and found
a grass seed.

He is now recovering from the operation but, unfortunately, we are back
to square one. He continues to have these attacks, sometimes two or
three times a day.

Any ideas as to what could cause a sudden, shaprp pain which goes away
within about a minute. We thought it might be cramp in his hind
quarters but is there a cure?

In case anyone is interested, I have uploaded the video onto the web so
you can download and view it if you wish. It can be found at
www.the-nag.netfirms.com/files/wilson.AVI (3.23Mb file)

Any help would be greatly appreciated.