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Old September 17th 04, 02:17 PM
rocknrollover.com
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Dog shows, or "conformation" events, are the signature events of the
AKC. They concentrate on the distinctive features of purebred dogs and
help to preserve these characteristics by providing a forum at which
to evaluate breeding stock.

Exhibits are judged against individual breed standards, which have
been established for the AKC-recognized breeds by their parent clubs.
These written standards describe the ideal size, color, and
temperament of each breed, as well as correct proportion, structure,
and movement.

PUPPY MATCH GROUPS:
http://www.rocknrollover.com

SHOW QUALITY PUPPY:
http://classifieds.yahoo.com/display...rpre=0&intl=us

Min. Dachshund Wirehair Show prospects, excellent confirmation and a
proven winner. OKC puppy match group 3rd (sat.) and 4th (sun.)
Champion sired. S/W pos hg. AKC. photos www.rocknrollover.com $1500.00
Contact: lee 214 546-8902
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Old September 17th 04, 05:59 PM
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(rocknrollover.com) wrote in
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Dog shows, or "conformation" events, are the signature events of the
AKC. They concentrate on the distinctive features of purebred dogs and
help to preserve these characteristics by providing a forum at which
to evaluate breeding stock.

Exhibits are judged against individual breed standards, which have
been established for the AKC-recognized breeds by their parent clubs.
These written standards describe the ideal size, color, and
temperament of each breed, as well as correct proportion, structure,
and movement.

PUPPY MATCH GROUPS:


(Snip link to puppy miller's grinning visage)


SHOW QUALITY PUPPY:


(Snip link to puppy miller's yahoo ad)


Min. Dachshund Wirehair Show prospects, excellent confirmation and a
proven winner. OKC puppy match group 3rd (sat.) and 4th (sun.)
Champion sired. S/W pos hg. AKC. photos
www.rocknrollover.com $1500.00
Contact: lee 214 546-8902


This would be so much more impressive if:

* You identified the OKC. (Oklahoma KC?)
* You told us what kind of event included four-month-old puppies. ("To
be eligible to enter, an AKC-registered dog must be at least six months
old on the day of the show" - AKC.org)
* You clarified how many dogs were in the event
* You weren't a pathetic puppy mill trying to hook the gullible public
into thinking these "show achievements" meant squat.

There have been NO AKC-sanctioned events in Oklahoma since June 27 of
this year.

There have been NO AKC-sanctioned events sponsored by any organization
whose initials could be interpreted as OKC in your home state of Texas
this summer.

You can't enter this infant in an AKC-sanctioned event until mid-
November.

So tell us the truth: you went to some unofficial match (which is a
good thing for getting practice in the show ring) and are trumpeting
your brag as a selling point for this puppy ("*very* show quality," a
pathetic bit of trumpery if I've ever seen one) that you weren't able to
unload when he was cute and fluffy.

You have the nerve to call this untested animal a "proven winner" and
then try to hawk him for *twice* what a responsible breeder is charging
me for my pup whose pedigree is loaded with conformation (that's
conFORMation) and performance titles up both sides.

spit

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Old September 17th 04, 06:15 PM
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On 17 Sep 2004 16:59:42 GMT, KWBrown
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(Snip link to puppy miller's yahoo ad)


a) that is one huge-arsed file.
b) are Dachshunds supposed to be stacked that way?

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Old September 17th 04, 06:31 PM
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shelly wrote in
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b) are Dachshunds supposed to be stacked that way?


Um, no.

http://www.dogsincanada.com/breeds/photos/dachshund_(min_wh).jpg

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Old September 17th 04, 06:56 PM
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On 17 Sep 2004 17:31:07 GMT, KWBrown
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Um, no.

http://www.dogsincanada.com/breeds/photos/dachshund_(min_wh).jpg


heh. i didn't think so, but i didn't want to assume G. now *that*
dog looks much nicer, to my ignorant eye. the OP's dog's hind legs
looked just plain wonky to me. he seems to be duck-footed in front,
too. oh, and chubby. he's on the road to a sag-down instead of a
tuck-up.

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Old September 17th 04, 07:14 PM
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shelly wrote in
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the OP's dog's hind legs
looked just plain wonky to me. he seems to be duck-footed in front,
too. oh, and chubby. he's on the road to a sag-down instead of a
tuck-up.


Disclaimer I am a Sporting Dog person and only admire Dachshunds from
afar /disclaimer

Dachshunds have weird front ends. Dogs in Canada has been running a long
series on terriers, talking about the short-legged dogs and *their* fronts.
Last issue also had a "You be the Judge" article on Corgi fronts. There
are all sorts of interesting ways to handle short-legs-big-chest-dig-holes-
anyway conformation, and each of the stubby breeds seems to do it
differently.

I *don't* think there's a lot of turn-out in a Dachshund front, though -
just a bit of wrap around the chest. (Just checked AKC standard. Feet may
be inclined slightly outward.)

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Old September 17th 04, 07:18 PM
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On 17 Sep 2004 16:59:42 GMT, KWBrown
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You have the nerve to call this untested animal a "proven winner" and
then try to hawk him for *twice* what a responsible breeder is charging
me for my pup whose pedigree is loaded with conformation (that's
conFORMation) and performance titles up both sides.


i just looked at the actual text of the ad and almost choked on my
sodapoppepsicoke when i saw what they were charging. good grief! at
that price, they'd damned better well be talking more about health
testing than iffy conFORMation brags.

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Old September 17th 04, 07:25 PM
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"shelly" wrote in message
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a) that is one huge-arsed file.
b) are Dachshunds supposed to be stacked that way?


Nice hocks, eh?

I like the Stepford-wife stare holding the ribbons and $.50 PetEdge toy in
the background. (We get those as check-in gifts at trials!)

Christy


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Old September 17th 04, 07:50 PM
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In rec.pets.dogs.activities rocknrollover.com wrote:
Dog shows, or "conformation" events, are the signature events of the
AKC. They concentrate on the distinctive features of purebred dogs and
help to preserve these characteristics by providing a forum at which
to evaluate breeding stock.


Yes, , but it is only one very small part of the evaluation of breeding
stock. AKC has no requirements that the dog being judged be healthy. It
need not have correct temperament. It need not have the behaviorial
characteristics one would expect of the breed. It need not come from
healthy lines. All that is juduged is the facade.


Exhibits are judged against individual breed standards, which have
been established for the AKC-recognized breeds by their parent clubs.
These written standards describe the ideal size, color, and
temperament of each breed, as well as correct proportion, structure,
and movement.


This is not completely accurate. The way
standards are written varies widely between breeds. Some are quite vague
adn without the breed name attached to it it can be a challenge to
identify the breed by that written standard. Quite a few have no
particular size requirements, and many that do state those in meaningless
generl terms instead of some "ideal" e.g. "a medium size". Very few breeds
describe an ideal color, most describe permitted and non-allowed colors.
Quite a few breed standards do not provide meaningful information on
correct structure. They may give the topic a nod, but there isn't enough
information there to draw a model of the dog from that information.


PUPPY MATCH GROUPS:
http://www.rocknrollover.com


Ah, good example of the kind of website that should make an interested
person really research what questions to ask.

First notice the number of breeeds being offered for sale:
Boston Terrier, Miniature Dachshund, Italian Greyhound, Rhodesian
Ridgeback puppies

It is unusual for a good quality breeder to be actively breeding two
breeds, it is rare for a good quality breeder to be actively breeding
three breeds, but four breeds - well that red flag is waving. I suppose it
is possible for a breeder to do a good job with four breeds, but it ought
to atke a lot of convincing. Usuaally that many breeds is more typical of
"pups for bucks" operations than quality breedings.

Second, notice the lack of information on the page. Yes, there is a
pedigree. But there is no information on the genetic history of those
dogs. A quality breeder of dachshunds is going to have information about
clearance for PRA, a statement about which health registry(s) the
clearances for hips, elbows and patellas were used (often the actual
certificate numbers will be included) and more indepth information about
the qualities of the lines being bred.

Essentially this website looks like the kind of website that was designed
to attract someone who hasn't learned what "Champion" can and cannot tell
you about a breeding. If a person is looking for a great companion there
isn't enough information there to describe a great companion. ANd if they
are honestly hopeful of success in the show ring then researching the
information that IS three doesn't make those really high odds. That isn't
to say it can't happen, but there isn't much behind these puppies.

This is a different breed but here is an exmple of what you should be
hearing from a breeder in regard to background:
http://www.castlerockacres.com/chess..._willowynd.htm
I'm not expecting this level of detail on a webpage. But a person SHOULD
expect to see an express statement that OFA and CERF clearances were
obtained, and the interested person should be able to confirm that by
checking the on-line databases.

http://www.dachshund-dca.org/Health%...d_Welfare.html
http://www.dachsie.org/health.html


SHOW QUALITY PUPPY:
http://classifieds.yahoo.com/display...rpre=0&intl=us


Min. Dachshund Wirehair Show prospects, excellent confirmation and a


The word is "conformation"

proven winner. OKC puppy match group 3rd (sat.) and 4th (sun.)


Winning a puppy match is very exciting, but not particularly meaningful in
the long run.

Champion sired. S/W pos hg. AKC. photos www.rocknrollover.com $1500.00


Boy, that is one hugely expensive puppy given the lack of information.

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