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Old September 26th 05, 04:28 PM
Suja
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Disabler just didn't sound right.

Anyway, we come home from walking the dogs to find a message from my
cousin in Philly, who wanted to get my thoughts on this puppy they were
thinking of getting. This is the same person who wouldn't let my
perfectly well trained dogs in her house, and suggested that they can
stay in the garage instead.

So, I call her and find out that a friend of a nurse who works at the
clinic had her dog give birth to 10 puppies, Shepherd-Lab mixes, they
think. She thinks that she wants a Lab or a GR, and her hubby wants a
Shepherd, so this would be the perfect mix, right? Before she went to
see the puppies however, she wanted to know from me what is involved in
raising a puppy.

I answered her questions in great detail. Included the part about the
pups being physically incapable of holding it in for the 10 hours she's
gone, and how much supervision is going to be required to expedite the
whole process. She wanted to know if she can 'send the pup away for a
month or two' and have someone else housebreak and train the puppy.
Ummmm...no. I think I've convinced her that a puppy is just not going
to work for them, and an older, more mellow dog who is already safe in
the house would be a better bet. Told her about Petfinder, so that she
can look for a dog who would be a good fit.

If anyone knows of a homeless dog in the Philly area who would be happy
being a home-body, let me know.

Suja
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Old September 26th 05, 04:34 PM
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On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:28:55 -0400, Suja wrote:


Disabler just didn't sound right.

Anyway, we come home from walking the dogs to find a message from my
cousin in Philly, who wanted to get my thoughts on this puppy they were
thinking of getting. This is the same person who wouldn't let my
perfectly well trained dogs in her house, and suggested that they can
stay in the garage instead.

So, I call her and find out that a friend of a nurse who works at the
clinic had her dog give birth to 10 puppies, Shepherd-Lab mixes, they
think. She thinks that she wants a Lab or a GR, and her hubby wants a
Shepherd, so this would be the perfect mix, right? Before she went to
see the puppies however, she wanted to know from me what is involved in
raising a puppy.

I answered her questions in great detail. Included the part about the
pups being physically incapable of holding it in for the 10 hours she's
gone, and how much supervision is going to be required to expedite the
whole process. She wanted to know if she can 'send the pup away for a
month or two' and have someone else housebreak and train the puppy.
Ummmm...no. I think I've convinced her that a puppy is just not going
to work for them, and an older, more mellow dog who is already safe in
the house would be a better bet. Told her about Petfinder, so that she
can look for a dog who would be a good fit.

If anyone knows of a homeless dog in the Philly area who would be happy
being a home-body, let me know.


She is going to let the dog stay in the house? IMO, if she's gone 10
hours a day, she's going to need a petsitter/dog-walker.

Mustang Sally

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Old September 26th 05, 04:55 PM
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Suja wrote in news:thUZe.20441$nq.846@lakeread05:

...She wanted to know if she can 'send the pup away for a
month or two' and have someone else housebreak and train the puppy.


Was she hinting for a volunteer?

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Old September 26th 05, 05:09 PM
Suja
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sighthounds & siberians wrote:

She is going to let the dog stay in the house?


Yup. I guess "her dogs" are different from other people's dogs. She
likes dogs, and loves her mom's dog (back in India). I'm just not sure
she knows what to do with them. We have already gone through crate
training, potty training, exercise requirements, general obedience
training, etc. Neither she nor her husband are outdoorsy people, so I
wonder how well they'd do with either Retrievers or Shepherds, because
they don't want a dog who is a whole lot older than two or three.

IMO, if she's gone 10
hours a day, she's going to need a petsitter/dog-walker.


Her work schedule is such that she works long hours a few days a week,
and gets extra days off. Her husband's schedule changes every couple of
months. His previous schedule would've worked out nicely for a dog -
wouldn't have to be left alone for longer than 4-5 hours a day, but it
changed again recently, and one or two days a week, the dog will be
alone for that long. She knows that for these days, a dog walker would
be a good idea, although some dogs (like Khan) would be fine if left
alone for that long a couple of times a week.

Suja
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Old September 26th 05, 05:11 PM
Suja
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Mary Healey wrote:

Was she hinting for a volunteer?


Didn't go there. Won't go there. The whole reason I am adopting older
dogs is because I don't want to deal with the amount of work that comes
with puppy breath. She knows that.

Suja

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Old September 26th 05, 05:12 PM
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On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:58:49 -0400, Handsome Jack Morrison
wrote:

On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 11:28:55 -0400, Suja wrote:

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If anyone knows of a homeless dog in the Philly area who would be happy
being a home-body, let me know.


If you care about dogs, and I know that you do (and provided your
descriptions of this family, now and in the past, are even close to
being accurate), you'll spend all of your time trying to talk this
family out of a dog and into a cat. Or maybe a fish.


I was thinking the same thing. Suja's dogs have to stay in the
garage, but her dog - - her puppy, no less - - is going to live in the
house and everything will be just fine?

Mustang Sally

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Old September 26th 05, 05:51 PM
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Suja wrote in news:8VUZe.20445$nq.15503@lakeread05:

Mary Healey wrote:

Was she hinting for a volunteer?


Didn't go there. Won't go there. The whole reason I am adopting older
dogs is because I don't want to deal with the amount of work that comes
with puppy breath. She knows that.


Could you somehow please pass that information on to my wife?? She is very
much jonesing for a puppy right now, and I don't have enough hours at night
to sleep *and* take a puppy out for potty a couple of times.

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Old September 26th 05, 06:09 PM
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Suja said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

So, I call her and find out that a friend of a nurse who
works at the clinic had her dog give birth to 10 puppies,
Shepherd-Lab mixes, they think. She thinks that she wants
a Lab or a GR, and her hubby wants a Shepherd, so this
would be the perfect mix, right?


Heh. My brother also likes GSDs and Labs so went shopping for a
mix to--y'know--get the best of both breeds. No matter how much
money I spent on long distance, I could not Anti-Enable him, so
I worked with him, much like you're doing with your cousin.

More specifically, I worked with his wife who immediately kenned
that dogs should be inside (even working breeds), dogs need
plenty of exercise, and dogs need training with an experienced
trainer. It worked out well - they ultimately bought a GSP/Lab
puppy from the paper (I never did Anti-Enable their thoughts on
hybrid vigour, nor did I manage to get them to go through rescue
or the shelters), but they followed through on everything else
and I hear that they have a very nice and well-trained dog.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
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Old September 26th 05, 09:18 PM
Suja
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sighthounds & siberians wrote:

I was thinking the same thing. Suja's dogs have to stay in the
garage, but her dog - - her puppy, no less - - is going to live in the
house and everything will be just fine?


I'm pretty sure she knows that the garage idea is not tenable. She
found out quickly that making dumbass suggestions about where my dogs
should stay is not a good idea. Thankfully, her husband is a much more
sensible man and apologized to me about his wife's dumbassedness. Her
heart is generally in the right place, even if her head isn't. So far,
we've been talking crates, ex-pens and tethering, and she hasn't said
peep about the garage.

I'll slowly work on Anti-Enabling them out of the whole dog idea
altogether. It always works better when she reaches the conclusion
herself, and thinks that she was leaning in that direction in the first
place. If she looks for a long time without finding any appropriate
dogs (for her, she now thinks that it will have to be a mellow, house
trained, basic obedience trained, young-ish dog, and there aren't a
whole lot of those out there), she'll probably drop the idea altogether.
I have a feeling that finding out that her younger brother's wife is
pregnant may have had something to do with the whole puppy thing, and if
I'm right, this too shall pass.

Suja



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Old September 26th 05, 09:34 PM
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On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 16:18:34 -0400, Suja ,
clicked their heels and said:

If she looks for a long time without finding any appropriate
dogs (for her, she now thinks that it will have to be a mellow, house
trained, basic obedience trained, young-ish dog, and there aren't a
whole lot of those out there)


Yabbut - I have a lab/gsd mix who was exactly that when I adopted her
almost 7 years ago (damn - where does time GO?!?!?). Mellow may be in
the eye of the beholder, as she is a bit ball-manic, but she's a couch
potato otherwise, very snuggly and obedient and was fully housebroken
and mostly basic obedience trained when I adopted her at the age of 22
months. Of course, she's incredibly cute as well. I can't believe
she'll be 9 at the end of the year. She's scheduled to race full time
in 2 flyball tournaments in upcoming weekends, even though she
"retired" in December of 2003..............

A lot of people seem to think she'd be the perfect dog for them, but I
wonder if she would have been, had I not given her an outlet for her
ball craziness. She probably would have been perfectly happy with
someone who sat in a chair and threw the ball with a chuck-it
though........



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