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Anal Sac Disease?
I am seeking advice. I am new to this board, but have a question. My
vet is recommending that we remove my girl's anal glands. She is a beagle, almost 7 years of age, and in excellent health. She is now on her third episode of anal gland impaction. HISTORY: Her right gland has abscessed twice, and anyone who knows what this is about knows it's not a pretty site, not to mention I feel horrible for my baby. Last week, her left gland was extremely swollen and very hard. The vet tried to express it and told me that she wanted to keep her, sedate her, and express it under sedation. My vet is against doing this procedure if they show any sign of pain during a normal expression. I agree with her 100%. She told me if I had not brought her in it would of most definetly abscessed also. The vet explained that she was going to flush it out but putting antibiotic oil in her gland and trying to break up the material inside of the gland. She succeeded in doing so without having to lance it. She informed me the material inside was extremely thick, and actually had chunks in it. She then left some of the antibiotic oil in the gland; put her on pain medication and an antibiotic. I am told by my vet, that I don't need to worry about cancer, of course, that is always my first thought. Diamond is part of our family; she is not just a dog. She is very important to my husband and I and money is not an obstacle for us. We will spend what it takes to make sure she is well taken care of and not suffering. She seems to be in perfect health other than this. I am struggling with the decision to remove the glands because it is a serious surgery. My vet has done the removal many times before. She explained the procedure in great detail. Everything from inserting a substance in the glands that will harden like wax which helps her remove them. She does use laser in the removal. Is there anything I am missing? Could there be an alternative? My vet does not seem to think so. I have tried to express them myself and sometimes I have luck and sometimes I don't. My vet says she has overactive glands with extremely narrow openings. It also seems her anal glands secretions are not normal and tend to be a very thick substance. Any advice anyone can offer will be greatly appreciated. I just want to do what is right for my girl. Thanks! |
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I am seeking advice. I am new to this board, but have a question. My
vet is recommending that we remove my girl's anal glands. She is a beagle, almost 7 years of age, and in excellent health. She is now on her third episode of anal gland impaction. snipped Surgery should never be a first plan of attack. It sounds like your vet has tried other routes to treat this chronic problem and feels that it will only continue, not subside permanently. Anal gland removal, although a surgery under anesthesia, is not a major procedure and is generally successful. Better to be sedated an anethsatized once for the surgery, than 2-3 times a year for disimpaction. -Sharon |
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Hello lcolantuoni,
wrote: I am seeking advice. What kind of advice would you like? The last newcomer was seeking advice about LUCK. I am new to this board, but have a question. Decent people do not post here. My vet is recommending that we remove my girl's anal glands. Your vet GETS PAID to surgically mutilate your dog and SELL you useless deathly prescription pharmacuticals. She is a beagle, almost 7 years of age, and in excellent health. That so? Curious how your vet would want to SELL you a SURGERY for a critter in "EXCELLENT HEALTH". Would that be MALPRACTICE? She is now on her third episode of anal gland impaction. Oh. That's a STRESS or DIET induced DIS-EASE. HISTORY: Her right gland has abscessed twice, and anyone who knows what this is about knows it's not a pretty site, When G-D first made man all the parts of the body were vying for the position / title of BOSS. The eyes said "if you don't MAKE ME BOSS, I won't SEE for you." "The hands said if you don't MAKE ME BOSS I won't work for you to see". The feet said "if you don't MAKE ME BOSS I won't take you to work." The anus said NOTHING and simply STOPPED WORKING. Soon thereafter all the parts of the body were BEGGING the anus to GO TO WORK and MAKE IT THE BOSS. not to mention I feel horrible for my baby. INDEED. Last week, her left gland was extremely swollen and very hard. The anus reacts in normal natural innate reflexive ways to STRESS or NEUROSIS. The digestive system can turn a normal digestion into a bout of diarreha or constipation NEARLY INSTANTLY from just a moderate amount of stress fear or concern. The vet tried to express it and told me that she wanted to keep her, sedate her, and express it under sedation. Good. But that won't CURE the malfunction. My vet is against doing this procedure if they show any sign of pain during a normal expression. I agree with her 100%. Good, agreed. She told me if I had not brought her in it would of most definetly abscessed also. Of curse. That's NORMAL for this CONdition. The vet explained that she was going to flush it out but putting antibiotic oil in her gland and trying to break up the material inside of the gland. She succeeded in doing so without having to lance it. Good. She informed me the material inside was extremely thick, and actually had chunks in it. That's more information than we needed to know. She then left some of the antibiotic oil in the gland; put her on pain medication and an antibiotic. So, she should be A.O.K. I am told by my vet, that I don't need to worry about cancer, of course, that is always my first thought. Worry is what CAUSES cancer. Diamond is part of our family; she is not just a dog. Your dog feels your emotions. She is very important to my husband and I and money is not an obstacle for us. We will spend what it takes to make sure she is well taken care of and not suffering. A king's ransom cannot CURE STRESS INDUCED AUTO- IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy Wizard's SYNDROME. She seems to be in perfect health other than this. INDEED. Like addiction, this DIS-EASE is INSIDIOUS. I am struggling with the decision to remove the glands because it is a serious surgery. My vet has done the removal many times before. As surgeries go, it's probably less risky or difficult than ordinary birth control spaying, medical malpractice. She explained the procedure in great detail. Everything from inserting a substance in the glands that will harden like wax which helps her remove them. She does use laser in the removal. Is there anything I am missing? INDEED. Could there be an alternative? Of curse! My vet does not seem to think so. Because your VET only knows how to TREAT DIS-EASE, not CURE them. I have tried to express them myself and sometimes I have luck and sometimes I don't. You mean it's a "CRAP SHOOT." You need VELVET HANDS, not LUCK. My vet says she has overactive glands Your dog's anus is reacting in PREDICTABLE NORMAL NATURAL INNATE INSTINCYIVE REFLEXIVE WAYS to situations and circumstances of it's environment which you CREATE for it. ALL DIS- EASE is CAUSED BY MISHANDLING and POOR NUTRITION. with extremely narrow openings. All it needs to pass is a viscous discharge. It also seems her anal glands secretions are not normal and tend to be a very thick substance. Because they are IMPACTED. What's causing the impaction? Any advice anyone can offer will be greatly appreciated. You mean, you're seeking a CURE for a medical CONdition? I just want to do what is right for my girl. Sounds like you're on the right track already, with exception of asking folks who HAVE NO CURE, or they'd BE The Amazing Puppy Wizard {); ~ ) Thanks! You're welcome! Hello Don, Don wrote: I am new to the newsgroup and have found that it contains very good information. From: (Marshall Dermer) Date: 3 Mar 2003 03:31:16 GMT Subject: Praising BAD Behaviors Is GOOD If this post was written by Jerry Howe then I offer my congratulations to Jerry on having posted such positive material. --Marshall Dermer I have had to killfile about 10 user id's so far and I guess that most of you have done the same. There are probably only one or two kooks that account for hundreds of stupid posts. I have read rpdb for about seven years. Consequently, I urge newbies to attend to the civil and rational posts of the rpdb regulars from whom I have learned much. They include: Ann (,Twzl, Sligo & Roy), Amy Dahl, Diane Blackman, jdoee, Janet Boss, Susan Fraser, Avrama Gingold, Nancy Holmes, Lynn Kosmakos, Bob Maida, MaryBeth, Ruth Mays, Cindy Tittle Moore, Robin Nuttall, Denna Pace, John Richardson, Sarah Sionnach, Ludwig Smith, Jane Webb, and Terri Willis. Marshall Lev Dermer/Associate Professor/Behavior Analysis Specialty/Department of Psychology/ University of Wisconsin--Milwaukee/ Milwaukee, WI 53201 http://www.uwm.edu/~dermer "Knowing how things work is the basis for appreciation, and is thus a source of civilized delight." -- William Safire I have two Yellow Lab pups, both female, 14 months old and a Black Lab/Setter mix, male, 11 years old. I call the Yellow Labs pups, but they weigh about 85 pounds. All neutered. Surgical sexual mutilation causes temperament and behavior problems like fear aggression towards children, for example. I know that Labs are famous for chewing, but the Yellow Labs are terrors. I tried to keep them outdoors on the patio, but one developed a nighttime habit of barking at the stray raccoons, possums, etc. From: Marshall Dermer ) Subject: Jerry's Dog Training Manual Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST And how do we know this aspect of his advice is right? Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible. His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis. (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the few regulars here who are either ill-tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.=AD), --Marshall Praising BAD Behaviors Is GOOD HOWEDY People, This post will cover most of what you never thought of and MOORE than you already know about stuff... http://makeashorterlink.com/?I20712FEB We have 3 children under age 13 And a New Foundland/ Aussie Shep. mix. Interesting X. I've never seen one of them before, and I'm not big on "breed" issues, but I just got to laugh at that picture I got in my head of a Aussie runnin around in a Newfie suit. I'm fallin outta my armchair and my sides are splittin!!! We have had this dog for 1.5 years. She was a rescue and she was 7 wks old when we got her. Fine. I prefer to see pups get into their new HOWSES as soon as they're weaned. Many folk prefer to allow the pups to stay with mom till twelve weeks or so, but I've never seen a problem for pups who'd been "orphaned" and into their family much earlier. My preference is six weeks. But that's not addressing your questions. She is fixed and weighs 73 lbs. My 40 years experience and some studies I recently read indicates some aggression may be precipitated by S/N. It's a hot button topic for many people, because it's one of those things where "you're damned if you do and damned if you don't." FWIW, according to Judaic law, spaying would be appropriate, neutering would not. There's other laws in their book about such issues as muzzling working draft animals etc. Very interesting stuff. I believe that she has been at this weight for nearly a year. Oh drat! You just burst my bubble! Now I can't laugh about a Aussie dressed in a Newfie suit. She is extremely energetic When I hear that, I think HYPERACTIVE. Hyperactivity is caused by stress barring such outside influences as toxins in the environment or malignancy of some sort. Purdue recently did some stuff on OCD and determined that stress percipiticpates OCD behaviors (Duh-Oh!). No news to this trainer. That's HOWE COME it's SO EZ for my students to break the anxiety SYNDROME and rehabilitate their hyperactive dogs in a few days, maybe less. Thyroid problems could be involved there too, and I've got a different take on that as well. I rather doubt the thyroid or any system is likely to malfunction for no reason. I believe that the constant on/off stress of ORDINARY DAILY LIFE in an ORDINARY NORMAL HOWEShold, is enough to push dogs, and some breeds more EZily than other's over the edge, resulting in obsessive compulsive behavior disorders like hyperactivity, excessive chewing,barking, digging, pacing, HOWEling, separation anxiety, self mutilation, fear of thunder, and even most carsickness. and is really a sweet dog for the most part. When I hear THAT, I don't wanna ask what's after the most part... Our biggest problem is her attitude with our girls. Bummer. I hate that. Scares the beejeesus outta me. She loves them one minute Good, I'm relieved. and then for no apparent reason snarls at them. Dogs don't do things for no reason. Do you know what will provoke her? There's a commonality between all behavior problems, so if you can think of what when and where she'd had incidents in the past, you might isolate the triggers, and then you're half way done training her... I have been watching her intensely Perhaps even just your scrutiny can be pressuring her. Dogs are very sensitive critters, it doesn't take much to throw them outta whack. and I can say without a doubt that none of our children have harmed the dog or scared her in any way. Probably true, but that's the half of it also. I'll try to explain later... She is extremely protective of food Right. That sez to me, she's insecure. It's a survival instinct. HOWE COME should she be insecure and thinking of herself first, rather than "feedin the family," as a mom dog would do? Well, mom dogs do not, they need to sustain themselves first, so they can take care of the bigger picture, even if that means culling her litter. Greed is what it looks like, but dogs aren't capitalists, so it's got to be something telling her there's not enough to go around. Perhaps she's been teased with treats or had rewards withheld? Dogs are scavengers. They steal scraps of food and run to hide with their back to the wall in a heightened state of alert. Putting food or bribes into an untrusting dog's face will likely make him think fight/flight/survive... so I never use food bribes. Sure you can train animals and slaves by withholding or treating with food, it's the bottom line when you think about it. You'd need a mighty big treat bag to control all the food in creation Anything that takes precedence in your dog's mind over you, is usurping your authority and diminishing your dog's esteem for you. and once she has been given her food she will growl if anyone comes even remotely close. Right. That sez to me she's not entirely trusting, that something is concerning her that she's not SAFE. AGGRESSION IS FEAR. We don't attack for no reason, we attack to defend ourselves from a real or perceived threat. In looking for answers, I am not looking to make excuses for the dog's behavior. I personally don't care HOWE COME the dog does something, I deal with the whole problem from another perspective entirely, and many of these insecurity issues will be AUTOMAGICKALLY CURED, just by removing the inconsistencies and stressors in her daily life. Whoever said "it's a dogs life," never put on the hat... Dogs are just as sensitive about family tensions like children squabbling and parents correcting them or the dog, for whatever. LOOK at HOWE many times a day you probably have to say STOP THAT! and correct all of them? At bedtime the kids may give you the standard bedtime runaround, a kid falling and crying about it can make the dog nervous, anything goes. She won't do that with me Hmmm. That makes me very suspicious. I like CONSISTENCY. Even if it's bad. But that may be good too, cause it could give us some insight into what's goin down here. but if someone else walks by she will growl even if they are in the other direction. By 'someone else,' you mean the kids, anybody else or everybody else? That too, may give some insight as to what's cookin. Her snarling at the girls is in no way related to food. Hmmm. She's OK with the kids and food? That's got my antennae up. I believe you're sayin she's SAFE with the girls passing her while eating. THAT makes me very happy, if that's correct. At least about the food issue but it offsets itself with the dichotomy of her incidents with the kids. There's too many inconsistencies, and that's gonna tell us what's the problem, I think. And there is no one thing that sets her off. Good. Tell us what you know of will set her off, and we can figure out what's upsettin her and HOWE to break the response. One minute she is happy and playing and the other she will snarl if they walk by. That doesn't give me a clear picture. Again, if you can predict when a behavior will happen, we can set it up to break or extinguish it, if it's still a problem after we do some simple preliminary conditioning exercises. It is as if she doesn't respect them. Forget respect. FEAR. Something concerns her, it's not disrespect. I should mention that the possibility of me meeting a dog behaviorist You just did. is nil due to the fact we live in a remote part of Alaska, No problem. accessible only by air. Likewise. I do all my work from sittin right here stark ravin nekkid. Any suggestions you can give would be greatly appreciated. I'm wondering if you've done any training with her and if so, HOWE was she trained. The fact she does not growl at YOU when you're near her food is probably not because it's you who gave her the food. That she doesn't growl at the kids around the food, makes me wonder if she's ever been corrected for 'food guarding' with the children. That could explain HOWE COME she won't growl at them near the food, but will in other situations particularly play, concerns me, but in a GOOD way. That's displaced aggression, I expect. That's cause by repressing behaviors. My methods use alternately variable distractions and prolonged non physical praise to extinguish the reflexive behavior through triggerin and non fulfillment, not by ever offering REPLACEMENT or alternate behaviors, because THAT disavails us of training opportunities and leaves the problem behavior intact, waitin on the whim of the dog. That suggests to me that she may be reacting to an incident perhaps long ago where she or the kids had been scolded or corrected for roudy play? That's called superstitious or flashback behavior, whereby a former incident is thought of by a similar circumstance and the dog simple flashes back to that former state of mind and isn't even thinkin of the present, and usually ends pretty quickly, soon as he realizes this is a different time and place. All we got to do is play with that thought a few times if everything else is in order, and the dog will quickly override his BOOGEYMAN... The food guarding is not against the children, is that correct? Perhaps I'm a little unclear on the scenario. I think you're saying she's fine with you and the kids around the food, the food being an issue for other family members, visitors etc? Has she ever had an incident of growling at you? If so, when, where, and HOWE did you respond to it. Also, HOWE do you currently respond to her incidents with the kids now and HOWE often does this happen? Do you give her treats? Will she 'go off' around a treat or only AT her food bowl, and is she OK with your children around their food and do the children give her treats and is she OK with that? Finally, do you crate her? If so, does she go to her crate on her own? If so, that too, can be causing or exacerbating these issues. Crating can cause a lot of problems for insecurity. Because the crate becomes a safe haven for her, kinda like hiding under the covers from the boogeyman, when the door opens, it's like havin to get outta bed in the dark to go to the toilet... SCARY!!! You might crawl over the bed to get close the light and then run and jump to hit the switch before the monster under the bed can get your by your ankles. Those answers will give us a better idea of exactly HOWE COME the dog is growling. But after all is said, it still doesn't matter to me except as a curiosity. We'll fix this behavior problem EZ, I'm certain. She doesn't sound too scary to me now that we've looked at what she's doing. In fact, and please correct me if I misunderstood, she's ONLY staring and growling and showing some teeth? She's never tried to assault the kids, right? What do you feed and are you using any chemicals around her like floor cleaners containing phenols? I ask about food because some contain BHA, BHT, ETHOXYQUIN, or propylene glycol as preservatives and they're suspect of causing some hyperactive like behavior. You might break the food guarding malarkey by simply moving the dish to another location, preferably a neutral area. IOW, take her out of the environment in which she's accustomed to having incidents, and desensitize her there. But don't start messin with that stuff till you know HOWE to handle it just in case she should go off when you try testing it out. Besides, after an hour of training that food thing will probably disappear on it's own, just from the basic conditioning exercises. You might try taking her dinner bowl in hand and slowly walking her around while eating and making passes by other folks. But not yet, you got a little study to do and some practice... about two hours work. Must be COLD out there. Lets get the lesson plan in mind so you'll have your wits about you if she should growl so we don't lose an opportunity to address an incident should she growl, because doin so in new environment would make it that much easier to break, due to the change of environ. Same question goes for the growling. Is that a generalized behavior or does she only do it say, in the living room or only inside the HOWES, will she growl if they're playin outside. Does she growl ONLY when she's in play? That could be VERY telling. Does she growl when she is NOT ALREADY EXCITED PLAYING (besides at the food bowl, I'm over that)? If so, that's the problem, BUT, that still leaves the question of WHO does she growl at around food? That too could tie up another loose end. Does she always / sometimes / not often come to the kids when they call her? Will she always come to you when you call? Is she walked on leash often, and is she well behaved or is it a struggle, and what kind of collar do you use. Even though you're not writing about an on leash problem, we're still gonna need to work her on lead and longe line for the initial conditioning exercises. Sincerely, The program I teach begins by stopping all negative or corrective responses and interactions with her. That includes scolding the children, because that may be what provokes her to growl. That's called allelomimetic behavior. IOW, if you scold the kids for jumpin on the sofa, the dog will copy your action and attitudes and likewise correct them. Sibling rivalry is not caused by siblings, is cause by mishandling. Scolding one peer in front of the others causes animosity towards the others whom the subject was scolded in front of. That causes 2 things to happen. The scolded party gets embarrasses and assaults the observers of the scolding, or the observers copy the disciplinarian, and likewise scold the subject. Catch22. HOWE are we gonna control three kid critters and one Aussie runnin around in a midget Newfie suit??? Could take three juvenile detention and one AC officers 24/8 to throw down on them when they get goin like kids will do. I'm pretty EZ going, but I require strict discipline. I can't have a child interrupting me while I'm doin this and have my dogs going kookamunga while I'm trying to teach someone on the phone HOWE to control their dog's barking, for example. NOW I'd be curious about the ages of the kids "children under age 13," cause if there's things like hyperactive or disabled children or autistic kids or an infant who'd maybe cry or have seizures or whatever that could upset the dog. I'm not lookin for excuses to mitigate her behavior, just to understand it better so's we're lookin at the facts of the matter based on what is happening Vs feelings about HOWE whatever we may emotionally feel about stuff. We want to back away from the micro aspects of the behavior so we can take in the big picture and then we can see what parts don't fit, and figure out what to do to remedy the etiology rather than fightin symptoms of the problem, because as we repress symptoms, they change, to other, often worse, seemingly non related behaviors as trainsfer or replacement behaviors. That's HOWE COME so many dogs go through every behavior problem in the book before simply runnin outa behavior problems that haven't already been repressed. Think about it. As we repress all the normal puppy behaviors we make the pup nervous cause he's only a animal. They cannot know right from wrong, only what's nice and what's not. They're not a human child, they cannot understand BAD. Dogs do not DO, BAD, dogs only do dog, and of curse, they also copy us. As the dog matures to 8-9 months they go through their 'adolescent rebellious' stage (Scott &Fuller). HOWE can a dog have a rebellious stage if there's nothing to REBEL AGAINST? Well, he still has not run through all the behavior problems he can be provoked into, so when he's maturing as a teenager and trying for more freedom, we become more repressive because the dog is out of hand, and there goes the shootin match. My student's dogs do not go through that because we never have a negative or forced interaction with them, we NEVER tell them NO or INSIST on a command, because THAT triggers the opposition reflex and makes the dog rebel. Our dogs are eager to work because we PRAISE IN ADVANCE, with the command, all in one breath not after the dog has finished doin his behavior. Dogs do not work for credit. By the time the dog comes to you when called, he's not longer thinking of the command. Dogs respond in predictable, instinctive, reflexive, ways, to situations and circumstances of their environment which we provide for them. That means we can change or control the environment to set the dog up to perform as predicted, and know when to do what you've planned in advance, to properly trigger / distract / praise / trigger / distract / praise the behavior till it's extinguished, MUCH LIKE FLOODING, but not quite... Or, we may use traditional flooding techniques with distraction / praise to extinguish behaviors. Before addressing behavior problems we condition the dog to praise with every brief eye contact and learn HOWE to handle the lead so we're not pulling on the collar and triggering the dog or hyping him up for a random outburst. Proper leash handling techniques insures safety and teaches the dog gentleness and conditions them to respond to our praise, as it entices the dog in and settles him down in just a few minutes. It's kinda like Dr. Ian Dunbar's "make like a tree," but not really anything at all quite like it. They just look similar at first glance. The Hot & Cold Exercise is like the kid's game "gettin hotter gettin colder" with the dog's attention and body as we stand and handle the lead properly to get the feel for it and reassure the dogs we ain't gonna be pullin no more on them. After a few minutes the dog will be hangin out waitin for you to do something, then you're ready to go into the Family Leadership Exercise where we very subtly work the dog in a conditioning routine we'll rely on for other situations and begin to install the come command as a conditioned reflex. That usually takes my students about one hour, often less, very rarely four hours, but that'd get a perfect recall on the most difficult critter. Once we've got that dog willing to work with us we can begin to break his behavior problems using variable distractions and praise techniques. Using praise in advance relaxes the dog and encourages him. For training, isn't that all we need? Praising BAD BEHAVIORS is GOOD. If your dog were boltin out the door, it's not "NO! STOP!," it's GOOD GIRL NICEDOG YOU'RE A GOOOOD FELLA!!. The dog ain't goin NOWHERE except come back over to you. Might even ask if he wants to go to the park. Sure he wants to but you don't. Who cares? He's only a DOG. Tell him you're gonna put your shoes on to go but it'll be a minit. Dogs like kids FORGET in a minute... Tomorrow when you ARE going to the park, tell him you're goin cause you PROMISED him yesterday, and now it's time. They'll think you're the kat's pajamas for bein the greatest mom/dad in the whole wild world. Dogs and kids just wanna have fun. Therefore my dogs never see me frown on them. NO MATTER WHAT. I never tell them NO or DON'T, or physically reach to restrain them, partly because THAT would trigger the opposition reflex and compel the dog to "outstep me" and rush the door or eat the steak or whatever AND teach the dog that doin THAT, will command 100% of your undivided attention... That's HOWE COME proper understanding of the methods and developing the feel for leash handling is imperative, so's we don't sabotage ourselves by reacting to our own fears of dangerous situations we're gonna work through in a few minutes if you can refrain yourself from saying NO DON'T! and pullin the lead to force control. Of course I know that your dog isn't having leash problems, but it fits here... Our dogs naturally want to do everything they're asked, cause just like kids, dogs just wanna have fun. Your Puppy Wizard. YPW;~} Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED: "We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work. God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer, Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI. From: "Marshall Dermer" To: "The Puppy Wizard" Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard, I have, of late, come to recognize your genius and now must applaud your attempts to save animals from painful training procedures. You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent=AD, who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts =ADto alert the world to animal abuse. We are lucky to have you, and more people should come to their senses and support your valuable work. Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit charity to fund your important work? Have you thought about holding a press conference so others can learn of your highly worthwhile and significant work? In closing, my only suggestion is that you try to keep your messages short for most readers may refuse to read a long message even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard. I wish you well in your endeavors. --Marshall Dermer From: n To: "Jerry Howe" Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2002 5:21 PM Subject: Damned Family Leadership Exercise - Am I expecting to much Hi Jerry, When I talked to you on the phone to order to machine for daughter's new pup, I told you that I had an older Chessie. I rescued him at 9 years old and have had him for 3 years. It's funny, but I thought I'd try some of your book training with him. Where I used to say "come" and then say "good boy" when he obeyed, I have reversed it with a "good boy" first. It really does work. He was very confused at first, wondering what he had done to get the praise. But it really gets the attention and distracts him from whatever he may have going through his brain when he hears it. Dogs are funny, but people are too. Can't wait to get the Doggy do Right, etc. Thanks, N =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D From: Eric To: Sent: Friday, November 29, 2002 7:54 AM Subject: just checking in.. Jerry! You helped me with my pal Dundee about a year ago regarding submissive peeing. Just wanted to let you know he's doing great- he was "cured" in about 2 days using your techniques! He has since become the "smartest dog in the world"! Once I stopped thinking like a human and got inside his head, I can teach him ANYTHING, usually in a matter of minutes. Makes me look like an expert dog-trainer. I rescued two strays last week, cleaned 'em up, wormed 'em, and am getting them their shots. Time to get inside their heads and teach them to teach themselves how to be good dogs! Instead of feeling like "training" is a chore, I look forward to working with these guys a couple times a day... Although I don't follow your instructions "to a T", I learned from you to "think like a dog" and stimulate their brain rather than beating ass or pinching, or any of that nonsense. I know damn well I would NOT be loyal to someone who beat MY ass lol! Well, just wanted to thank you for rattling the bushes out there and teaching folks the RIGHT way to "train" dogs. A horseman friend of mine uses very similar techniques in training his horses- he calls it "natural horsemanship". He is hated by nearly all the local "trainers" yet somehow he repeatedly wins at every show he attends. He rarely shows any more, but goes now and then to rub their noses in it (pun intended)... Too cool.... Have a great holiday season and keep up the good work! Eric , Dundee, Sammy, and Maynard =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D Subject: Dog will not listen to anyone but me! Date: Tue, 9 Jul 2002 11:33:36 -0500 Message-ID: Okay, I gotta speak up here... We've been using Jerry's methods with our dog. We had the same problem as the original poster has with Buzz. One day working with the family pack exercise and practicing the recall command with the family and she'll now go out with hubby and daughter instead of needing me to reassure her or even refusing to go with anyone but me. I really urge you, regardless of the negative things you might hear about Jerry & Wits' End here, to try the method and *judge the results for yourself*. Let's see what other areas she's improved in... always comes when called, not chewing stuff even if we leave it laying around, "re"housebroken after long shelter stay, walks perfectly on leash, doesn't try to steal food from our plates or beg... probably a few more things I'm forgetting to mention. *(Yeah, the kats lay off the koi and don't wander. jh). That's in about a week's time. Her overall demeanor has changed. When we brought her home she was very untrusting and ultra-submissive (except with her area/toys where she was possessive and nippy). She had been abused and beaten by previous owners, then she was in a shelter for months. They (most of them) wanted to give up and kill her Now she's gained confidence and trust with us. Last night was another big breakthrough (in my eyes). She barked! Big deal, she barked just once when she heard the front door. Great! Anyway, you'll be told lots of nasty stuff about Jerry or that the Wits' End manual is culled from other sources. In my opinion, even if it is, it takes only the good stuff and leaves out the bad. Works for me. (And I suppose I gotta say this... I don't know Jerry personally. I've emailed him and instant messaged him. I have not bought a "Doggy Do Right". He's offered help for free.) Ms. Mick Owen Crneckiy http://www.crneckiy.com & http://tarot.crneckiy.com E-mail & MSN Messenger: AIM & Yahoo!: MickCrneckiy ~ ICQ: 72461227 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D "Hoku Beltz" wrote in message . .. Aloha Sunny, Just follow the training program to the letter, no matter how insignificant some of the step seem to be and your puppy will be a very well behaved dog in a few days. I would seriously consider backing out of the training classes as they will conflict with the Wit's End principles. I went the training route first, and still had problems until I found Wits' End. Now I have two "new and improved" dogs. You won't be disappointed if you follow the program. Good luck, Hoku =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D From: Hoku Beltz To: The Puppy Wizard Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 6:12 PM Subject: Mahalo Aloha Jerry, Just wanted to let you know that the surrogate toy technique is working wonders. I have not had a shredded sheet for over a week now. It is nice to be able to leave the bed made and come home to a made bed. Your program is awesome, but you already know that. Keep up the good work! Hoku =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D Subject: BEFORE - "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous, No Good Charlatan," AFTER - "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult Dog Lovers. 'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim. Subject: Fritz---a retrospective Date: 02/05/1999 Author: Robert Crim You filthy, unctuous, no good charlatan. If you had any idea of what dogs and dog people were about you would realize the depths of the absolute loathing and contempt I hold for you right now. Were it not for the blessed distance and anonymity that the internet gives us from the scummy likes of you, I would probably be in a jail cell right now for turning you into the pile of **** you really are Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh? Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! -- Dogman http://www.i1.net/~dogman =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:24:15 -0700, dogsnus "Terri"@cyberhighway Wrote: Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth! Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs come forward and actually believe in his training manual. Robert Crim writes: I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it. This naive child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped his last gasp. To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog. Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake names are more honest than people that use their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and lived by their craft for decades. "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don't really care. And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and actually admit to buying and having success with his little black box. I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll never know. Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to him! LOL! I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right. Terri Yes it was, and that is sad. Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box first?) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Crim wrote THAT about *YOU,* tommy, "you insipid piece of cow dung!" BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." To: "Jerry Howe" Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400 Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business" and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising from professors of behavior analysis. I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson (Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house. There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior. Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose "The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to commercial) psychology. George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H. you may find my resume in Who's Who in Science and Technology Jerry Howe, Director of Research, Animal Behavior Forensic Sciences Research Laboratory, BIOSOUND Scientific, Director of Training, Wits' End Dog Training 1611 24th St Orlando, FL 32805 Phone: 1-407-425-5092 Here's the ONLY RULES you need: ALL Temperament and Behavior Problems And 90% Of DIS-EASE Are CAUSED BY MISHANDLING. THAT'S GOOD! THAT MEANS We can CURE ALL Temperament And Behavior Problems And 90% Of DIS-EASE NEARLY INSTANTLY Simply By DOING EXXXACTLY, PRECISELY, OPPOSITE Of HOWE We've Been TAUGHT By UNIVERSITY TRAINED Behaviorists ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ `6_ 6 ) `-. ( ).`-.__.`) (_Y_.)' ._ ) `._ `. ``-..-' _..`--'_..-_/ /--'_.' ,' (((' (((-((('' (((( |\ _.-'~~""'~`'~) /, ~-,__,,,.'~ ,-;;--'' |,4) ./ ' ; ;/' '-~~;'@ ( ; ; _.--'' _.-_..' .;.' (,_..----''' (,..--'' Meow /),,/) ( ' ; ') (,,)-(,,) /),,/) (' ; ') kiss me (,,)-(,,) /),,/) ( ; ' ) kiss me here (,,)-(,,) /),,/) ( ; ) kiss me here (,,)-(,,) /) ( * ) and KISS ME HERE! (,,)-(,,) The Amazing Pussy Wizard {@); ~ } http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u Please DON'T BE The Amazing Pussy Wizard's PREY. IT AIN'T PRETTY. {@); ~ } |
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