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biting their own paw and swelling vulva
HOWEDY Karen,
Karen Nguyen wrote: my dog just got spayed. Was she SICK? she's 2.5 years old now. That's an unusual age to spay a critter. i noticed that she's been licking her vagina (vulva???) You can use the C word if you like. I'm a totally uneducated backyard shade tree **** kickin dog trainer, medical terminology escapes me like the veterinarians dogs escape their shock fences. alot lately and that its all swollen/red now. Perhaps she needs to see the vet? It could be serious. not sure what's really wrong with her. She's just had 1/4 of her abdomen cut HOWET and thrown into the garbage for the maggots to eat. I PREY she was SICK that prompted you to have her surgically sexually mutilated. Sometimes it IS necessary and life saving. HOWEver, most of the time it's a simply irrational and irresponsible practice done instead of apupriate handling and management. at the same time, she's been bitting her left back paw alot (she doesnt really do this). Well, she's DOIN IT NHOWE! she's eating and peeing fine. Good. not really sure what's wrong with her. any idea? She's probably in a lotta pain and the self mutilation of the paw distracts her from the real source of pain which she can't reach. NOT TO WORRY, HOWEver, we can CON-TROLL the self mutilation HABIT. But do get her checked for the swelling and use the same PRAISE IN ADVANCE and apupriate non physical distraction and praise techniques to break her of lickin her WHATCHAMACALLITZ! Here' the INFORMATION you need to control her self mutilation. Do as much of the techniques as her heelth will permit and follow the rest of the techniques as soon as she's comfortable walkin slowly for fifteen minutes: {#}: ~ } 8 { ~ :{@} {#}: ~ } { ~ :{@} {#}: ~ } { ~ :{@} {#}: ~ } { ~ :{@} {#}: ~ } http://www.tinyurl.com/7bl5u { ~ :{@} {#}: ~ } { ~ :{@} {#}: ~ } { ~ :{@} {#}: ~ } { ~ :{@} {#}: ~ } 8 { ~ :{@} http://www.irishdogs.ie/Information/...g_Training.pdf P=2ES. I am NOT a veterinarian, I just IDENTIFY EXXXPOSE and DISCREDIT the UNETHICKAL veterinary malpracticioners who'd advise folks to unnecessarily inapupriately surgically sexually mutilate innocent defenseless dumb critters to enrich their practice. Punishment Deranges Behavior. "NO!" Does NOT Have Any Behavioral Function EXCEPT To DERANGE Behaviors. Here's professor dermer pryor: From: Marshall Dermer ) Subject: Jerry's Dog Training Manual Date: 2001-07-12 06:49:13 PST And how do we know this aspect of his advice is right? Jerry is not God and his manual is not the Bible. His advice could be subject to an empirical analysis. (Also, it is best to killfile posts from the few regulars here who are either ill-tempered, ill-mannered, or just plain ill.=AD), --Marshall "At this point, "No" does not have any behavioral function. But, if you say "No,"pick up the puppy by its neck and shake it a bit, and the frequency of the biting decreases then you will have achieved too things. First, the frequency of unwanted chewing has decreased; and two, you have established "No" as a conditioned punisher. How much neck pulling and shaking? Just the minimum necessary to decrease the unwanted biting. **********IS THAT A CONSISTENT 5 SECONDS?************ When our dog was a puppy, "No" came before mild forms of punishment (I would hold my dog's mouth closed for a few seconds.) whereas "Bad Dog" came before stronger punishement (the kind discussed above). "No" is usually sufficient but sometimes I use "Bad Dog" to stop a behavior. "Bad Dog" ALWAYS works," marshall dermer, research professor of ANAL-ytic behaviorISM at UofWI. For MOORE animal abuse, please visit dr p. BWAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!!! That's INSANE. Ain't it. Here's professor dermer AFTER gettin JERRYIZED: "We Are Lucky To Have You, And More People Should Come To Their Senses And Support Your Valuable Work. God Bless The Puppy Wizard," Professor Marshall Dermer, Dept Of ANAL-ytic Behavior, UofWI. From: "Marshall Dermer" To: "The Puppy Wizard" Sent: Friday, July 23, 2004 2:53 PM Subject: God Bless The Puppy Wizard Dear Mr. Puppy Wizard, I have, of late, come to recognize your genius and now must applaud your attempts to save animals from painful training procedures. You are indeed a hero, a man of exceptional talent=AD, who tirelessly devotes his days to crafting posts =ADto alert the world to animal abuse. We are lucky to have you, and more people should come to their senses and support your valuable work. Have you thought of establishing a nonprofit charity to fund your important work? Have you thought about holding a press conference so others can learn of your highly worthwhile and significant work? In closing, my only suggestion is that you try to keep your messages short for most readers may refuse to read a long message even if it is from the wise, heroic Puppy Wizard. I wish you well in your endeavors. --Marshall Dermer Subject: BEFORE - "Jerry, You filthy, Unctuous, No Good Charlatan," AFTER - "Thank You Jerry For Putting Up With A Constant Barrage Of Really Infantile Crap At The Hands Of Supposedly Adult Dog Lovers. 'Naive' Is Believing You Can Terrorize A Dog Into Good Behavior," Robert Crim. Subject: Fritz---a retrospective Date: 02/05/1999 Author: Robert Crim You filthy, unctuous, no good charlatan. If you had any idea of what dogs and dog people were about you would realize the depths of the absolute loathing and contempt I hold for you right now. Were it not for the blessed distance and anonymity that the internet gives us from the scummy likes of you, I would probably be in a jail cell right now for turning you into the pile of **** you really are Hey, Howe, you really are a wacko, eh? Crim wrote this about *YOU,* you insipid piece of cow dung! BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! -- Dogman http://www.i1.net/~dogman =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D On Thu, 17 Jun 1999 20:24:15 -0700, dogsnus "Terri"@cyberhighway Wrote: Hey, do like me, and killfile Jerry. He has millions of people aleady reading his posts and watching him extract his soggy foot out of his mouth! Out of these MILLIONS, I've only seen 2 naive childs come forward and actually believe in his training manual. Robert Crim writes: I assume that I and my wife are those two naive childs since I freely admit to having read and, I hope, understood enough of the manual and it's counterparts by John Fisher and the posts of Marilyn Rammell to believe and use it. This naive child would like to say thank you to both Jerry and Marilyn for putting up with a constant barrage of really infantile crap at the hands of supposedly adult dog lovers. The other naive child (LSW) has to put up with the nagging idea that if people like them had been posting earlier, maybe we would not have had to hold the head of a really magnificent animal in our arms while he was given the needle and having to hug him and wait until he gasped his last gasp. To my mind, "naive" is believing you can terrorize a dog. Naive is believing that people that hide behind fake names are more honest than people that use their real names. Naive is thinking that dilettante dog breeders and amateur "trainers" like Joey (lyingdogDUMMY, j.h.) are the equal or better than those that have studied and lived by their craft for decades. "Stupid" is believing that people do not see kindergarten level insults for what they are. Really stupid is believing that people like Jerry Howe and Marilyn Rammell are going to just go away because you people act like fools. Why do you act like fools? I really have no idea, and I don't really care. And, to date: I've not seen ONE come forward and actually admit to buying and having success with his little black box. I think I'm going to get one myself for Father's day and take it down to the Animal Shelter for their use and testing. You would never believe the results, so you'll never know. Anyone by now that doesn't see a scam man coming by Jerry's posts deserves to get what is sure to be coming to him! LOL! I don't see a "scam man", so I guess I and Longsuffering Wife and Rollei will just have to get what we deserve, eh? As Joey (Dogman) says, "poor Rollei.".......right. Terri Yes it was, and that is sad. Robert, Longsuffering Wife and Rollei (do I get to listen to the box first?) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Crim wrote THAT about *YOU,* tommy, "you insipid piece of cow dung!" BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." To: "Jerry Howe" Subject: Alleged Professors of Animal Behavior Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2005 12:50:51 -0400 Dear Jerry, I paged through some of the "dog business" and was astonished at the low quality of opinions arising from professors of behavior analysis. I had the very great privilege of meeting Sam Corson (Pavlov's last Ph.D. student) and his dogs at Ohio University. I even got to spend a night at Sam's house. There is no question but that you are a spiritual brother to Corson and to Pavlov, both of whom knew that the dog's great capacity for love was the key to shaping doggie behavior. Paradoxical reward and paradoxical fixing of attention are both well documented Pavlovian techniques. Even so humorless a chap as B.F. Skinner taught students like the Breland's whose "The Misbehavior of Organisms" demonstrate the utility of your methods and their deep roots in scientific (as opposed to commercial) psychology. George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H. you may find my resume in Who's Who in Science and Technology From: "The Puppy Wizard" Date: Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:26:31 GMT Subject: Dr. George VonHilshimer Writes: "No Loving, No Learning." HOWEDY People, Perhaps the PROBLEM is "TOO MANY WORDS?" From: "The Puppy Wizard" To: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 4:40 AM Subject: Fw: Counter Cruising must stop From: "diannes" Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:18 PM Subject: Counter Cruising must stop LeeCharlesKelley wrote: I wrote: LeeCharlesKelley wrote: On another note: I understand why someone proclaiming a method that works on all dogs, all the time, would send up "red flag" to you and others, but the fact remains, if a technique *doesn't* work 100% of the time, with all dogs, then there must be a flaw in the philosophy underlying that technique. Ditto for dog training. No failure nor flaw of method is involved - that's just acceptance of reality. First of all, I didn't say that there was a flaw in the method, though anyone is welcome to make that leap. I said there was a flaw in the underlying philosophy and its model of learning. Correction accepted. I think that perhaps we are using terminology differently here. Here is my use of the terms: Jerry, I don't know where you find these folk who can't read. In order to use negative reinforcement, one must typically administer the aversive stimulus in order to be able to terminate it. This is not negative reinforcement. Negative means no. Positive reinforcement =3D behavior emitted by dog, reward emitted immediately by trainer; Negative reinforcement =3D behavior emitted by dog, no response by trainer; Aversive reinforcement =3D behavior emitted by dog, aversive stimuli emitted immediately by trainer; The term "reinforcement is used only tentatively with "aversion" because aversive stimuli (aka punishment) typically derange learning and are not followed by clean learning curves equivalent to those which follow reward or positive reinforcement; Escape conditioning =3D dog has an aversive stimulus applied without any dog related reason and when behavior is emitted aversive stim is immediately turned off . There is some indication that Escape Conditioning works in a manner closely approximating reward; but, ear pinch? -- too aversive. I remind you that you should beat them over the head with "The Misbehavior of Organisms" by Breland and Breland, published in B.F. Skinner's CUMULATIVE RECORD. Ignored by most profs of psychology, but the distillation of his work. NO PUNISHMENT. Must pay attention to who is the animal? His evolution, his development, and his personal history - cannot train without respect for who is the dog? So says the BIG TIME operant conditioning guru - and you can also refer back to MARY COVER JONES (mother of scientific systematic psychology), no loving, no learning. I suppose I could wire up a dog so that his brain was badly interrupted and the loving method of puppy training might not work well - but it would still work better than the methods used by dominatrix and their ilk. Lovingly applied ethological techniques like the one espoused by the Wizard of ALL puppies work for all dogs, for that matter for all mammals higher than cat. Indeed, they will work for cats if trainer is warmly competent. You can see this in Key West on any sunny day. Housecats performing quite happily. Fondly, Dr. Von From: TooCool ) The Puppy Wizard's Wits End Training Method I have studied canine behavior and dog training for years. I have a huge library that covers every system of training. The Puppy Wizard's (Jerry Howe's) Wits' End Training Method is by far the most scientific, the most advanced, the kindest, the quickest and the most effective training method yet discovered. It is not an assortment of training tips and tricks; it is a logically consistent system. Every behavior problem and every obedience skill is treated in the same logically consistent manner. Please study his manual carefully. Please endeavor to understand the basis of his system and please follow his directions exactly. His manual is a masterpiece. It is dense with theory, with explanation, with detailed descriptions about why behavior problems occur and how their solution should be approached. One should not pick and choose from among his methods based upon what you personally like or dislike. His is not a bag of tricks but a complete and integrated system for not only training a dog but for raising a loving companion. When I once said to Jerry that his system creates for you the dog of your dreams, his response was that it produces for your dog the owner of his dreams. You see, Jerry has discovered that if you are gentle with your dog then he will be gentle with you, if you praise your dog every time he looks at you, then you will become the center of your dogs world, if you use Jerry's sound distraction with praise, then it takes just minutes-sometimes merely seconds-to train your dog to not misbehave (even in your absence) (Just 15 seconds this morning to train my 10 week old puppy to lie quietly and let me clip his nails). Using Jerry's scientific method (sound distraction / praise / alteration / variation) it takes just minutes to train you dog to respond to your commands. What a pleasure it was for me to see my 6 week old puppy running as fast has his wobbly little legs would carry him in response to my recall command-and he comes running every time I call no matter where we are or what he is doing. At ten weeks old now, my puppy never strains upon his leash thanks to Jerry's hot & cold exercises and his Family Pack Leadership exercises. Jerry has discovered that if you scold your dog, if you scream at him, if you intimidate him, if you hurt him, if you force him then his natural response is to oppose you. Is Jerry a nut? It doesn't make any difference to me whether he is or not. It is a logical fallacy to judge a person's ideas based upon their personality. As far as dogs are concerned, Jerry wears his heart upon his sleeve. It touches him deeply when he hears of trainers forcing, intimidating, scolding or hurting dogs. More than that, he knows that force is not effective and that it will certainly lead to behavior problems; sometime problems so severe that people put their dogs down because of those problems. I believe that it is natural for humans to want to control their dog by force. Jerry knows this too. We have all been at our wits' end, haven't we? Dogs have a natural tendency to mimic. In scientific literature it is referred to allelomimetic behavior. Dogs respond in like kind to force; they respond in like kind to praise. Don't bribe your dog with treats; give him what he wants most-your kind attention. Give him your praise. You will be astonished at how your dog 's anxiety will dissipate and how their behavior problems will dissipate along with their anxiety. Treat Jerry Howe's (The Puppy Wizard) Wits' End Training Method as a scientific principle just as you would the law of gravity and you will have astounding success. Dog behavior is just as scientific as is gravity. If you follow Jerry's puppy rules you will get a sweet little Magwai; if you don't you will surely get a little gremlin (anyone see The Gremlins?). --Larry From: Mike ) Subject: Info. on the puppy wizard? Date: 2004-07-18 14:27:02 PST Oh, and did I mention his methods work, ya nuff said. Mike Ok Mike which part worked for you? It helped clear problems from my dogs in the field using the can penny distraction technique. Works like a charm. My dogs get distracted easy from their jobs ie, retrieving or training to find lost people, oh did I mention that I am a Search and Rescue Team Leader. Sorry that slipped my mind. I have read volumes of training books and don't know where people get that Jerry copied others work as I have NEVER come across his methods before. I would like to see proof. Just like Jerry outlined I eliminated problems one at at time as they arose. I used to try and train to the way I wanted them but this is backward, you train out the problems leaving what you want left over. Funny part is the second dog who had the same problems as the other didn't need correcting for some of his habits after I cleared it from the first dog. Seemed he learned through osmosis. Nice side benefit there. It nearly came to giving them up to a 3rd party trainer as they were not performing well. The VAST majority of working dog trainers are agressive in their actions with the dogs. I tried it and it didn't work and guess what I was at my "Whits End" then someone I new turned me onto Jerry and the rest is history. I referred friends and families to Jerry's manual and all have had great results. Starting puppies out on the distraction technique is especially good because they never develop the habit. I had my sisters dog healing, sitting and down stay reliably at 8-9 weeks. The first night home following Jerrys advice we ditched the crate and put the pup on the floor beside the bed and after 2 whimpers NOT A SOUND OUT OF THAT DOG FOR 6 HRS! first night, that has never happened in all my days. Sorry, the man understands dogs its that simple. Mike " wrote: No, the dog learned that I would hold still the second she began to pull. She would pull to go where *she* wanted. Well if she wanted to stop and go in another direction.. say to sniff my neighbors yard.. she learned if she wanted to do it I would stop walking and she could go.. and if there wasn't enough slack on her lead she would just pull me. Then when she got done doing *her* thing, she woudl heel.. smile at me and wait for me to say "let's go" and finish *my* thing. I would refuse to move .. i looked like an idiot.. freezing mid walk for minutes waiting for *my* dog to heel and give *me* permission to go again. I did the treats and the let's go... she got to do her stuff and get a cookie.. if she even wanted the cookie. I wound up calling Jerry.. as I have a half red nose pit and half amstaff.. who is incredibly protective.. we had a new pup on the way.. and i needed help.. i followed petsmarts trainnign guides.. memorized them... and they *did* work, don't get me wrong.. but only when my pet wanted a cookie or felt the cookie was better than what she wanted.. which was not often. She quickly learned to ignore my commands if she could see my hands were empty. So I called Jerry... he chatted me for about an hour and a half.. gave me his link... and even when i had probs intro'ing the pup he called me withn i5 mins of my email for help at 10pm on a sunday night. One.. singular.. uno family pack exercise after the hot and cold exercise and i could zig zag down my street.. about face .. whatever.. and never had tension. two men were acrossed the street and she walked right by them... ordinarily she'd snarl and protect us. And in two days.. my dog.. who bit the puppy if he even looked like he was going near my husband or kids.. is nursing him every hour.. cleaning him.. rough housing gently.. and teaching him to go potty outside.. actually watches him to make sure he doesn't go in the house... and has milk.. which is awesome since she's 19 months old and has never had a litter. She also has stopped barking non stop at our neighbor's dogs and pig.. does not bark at eveyr car that drives by and has stopped jumping on people. she's even starting to ignore our cat who has lived on her dome litter box and our window sill (literally) for over a year and a half. She also does her commands on cue.. and doesn't look for a treat. From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." Subject: The Amazing Jerry's take on psychobabble Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 12:13:44 -0400 You might improve the learning of folk who actually live with and train dogs to do useful things if you excluded everyone who uses psychobabble from your lists. I recommend to all of you who wish to taste the flavor of sensible animal behaviorists to read THE MISBEHAVIOR OF ORGANISMS, Breland and Breland. This married pair of psychologists began the long trail of highly trained animals who are symbolized by Shamu eating a mackrel from a girl's hand instead of eating the much more tasty pretty girl who is exactly the size of the natural food of killer whales, seals. Yum! The essay, by the way, is a chapter in B.F. Skinner's summing up book, CUMULATIVE RECORD. They include a sentence which more or less says, "unless you understand the personal history of the particular animal, and the history of this animal's species and group, the developmental history of the animal, you cannot effectively train the animal. Pigs root and hen's scratch, if you try to train hens without scratching or pigs without scratching or pigeons without pecking, you aren't going to have much success. A conditional reflex is one which is learned, the original primitive reflex occurs no matter what the history of the animal, and is hard wired. If you train the animal to respond, say by ringing a bell immediately before turning on a bright light, then you've taught the animal and made his native reflex of pupil constriction conditional upon the ringing of a bell. Thorndyke added some terminology to this kind of training and insisted that when you train the animal to make gross motor responses that this learning is "instrumental", the animal takes action and uses an instrument. The Russian word translated as "conditional" in all other contexts was mistranslated by Pavlov's American translator, Horsley Gannt, as "conditioned" and so American psychology went haring after phantasmagora. The major theorists for the development of the language of operant conditioning are Edward Thorndike, John Watson, and B=2E F. Skinner. Their approach to behaviorism played a major role in the development of American psychology. They proposed that learning is the result of the application of consequences; that is, learners begin to connect certain responses with certain stimuli. This connection causes the probability of the response to change (i.e., learning occurs.) Thorndike labeled this type of learning instrumental. Using consequences, he taught kittens to manipulate a latch (e.g., an instrument). Skinner renamed instrumental as "operant" because in this learning, one is "operating" on, and is influenced by, the environment. Where classical conditioning illustrates S--R learning, operant conditioning is often viewed as R--S learning since it is the consequence that follows the response that influences whether the response is likely or unlikely to occur again. It is through operant conditioning that voluntary responses are learned. One should note that Russian Psychology did very well without the operant language, and only pettifogging university professors ought to worry about what kind of label we attach to the learning. Pfui! Even Skinner understood this! And please note if you saw the original movie, THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE, you saw a Chinese psychologist who was based on Andrew Salter, CONDITIONED REFLEX THERAPY. Alas, Salter didn't have a Ph.D., but he basically rescued us from the long Freudian nightmare and returned psychotherapy to a scientific basis. Alas, the 2nd movie didn't even cite Salter as a source. "...all the highest nervous activity, as it manifests itself in the conditional reflex, consists of a continual change of these three fundamental processes -- excitation, inhibition and disinhibition." Ivan P. Pavlov George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R.S.H. What's important is, "does Shamu reliably eat the fish and not the pretty girl?" George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D., F.R. From: "George von Hilsheimer, Ph.D." To: Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2005 5:38 PM Subject: Doggy advice Scott, Jerry Howe forwarded me the letter below. I'm glad that you referred negatively to Jerry's habit of CAPITALIZING and HOWEING everything. I personally hate this habit of his. I think it is his way of diluting his authority - IME he is a very modest fellow. However, contrary to your sneer, he is very competent at living with dogs. I thought I'd list a series of actions which I found on the list, folk asking advice on what to do about dogs doing this and that, for example: whining, humping, hunching, pacing, self mutilation - paw licking, side sucking, spinning, prolonged barking, barking at shadows, overstimulated barking, fighting, bullying other dogs, compulsive digging, compulsive scratching, compulsive chewing, frantic behavior, chasing light, chasing shadow, stealing food, digging in garbage can, loosing house (toilet) training. inappropriate fearfulness aggression. The thing that is fascinating to me, as an ethologist who graduated from college 50 years ago and has spent all of the intervening time working with animals (including the human animal), is that you never see any of these behaviors in wild dingoes, jackals, coyotes or wolves, you don't even see these behaviors in hyenas (who aren't dog related). You see these behaviors in human managed animals, especially animals who live with neurotic hysterical humans. As Sam Corson (Pavlov's last student) demonstrated for nearly 50 years at Ohio University (Oxford, O.) there is no treatment more useful for dogs than tender loving care. George von Hilsheimer, Ph. D., F. R. S. H., Diplomate, Academy of Behavioral Medicine "Linda" wrote in message news: I have been trying for the last 18 months to help my dog who became fear aggressive at 18 month of age. I do not know what started the problem but he came aggressive first with dogs and then began lunging and snapping at people. Until this time he loved everyone and could play with any dog. He was well socialized ad I took him with me everywhere. At 13 months he passed the Canine Good Citizens Test except he could let me leave him. I had used clicker training to teach him manners and tricks but it was not working on his aggression problem. I took him to vets who suggested a low protein diet, trainers who charged $800 to only make him worse. They tried to use a prong collar and he froze, urinated and tried to climb on my head to help him. they then suggested a shock collar I knew this approach was not working as he was becoming more aggressive. I took him to an animal behaviorist with Ph. D. 400 miles away who told me to "KEEP HIM SAFE" and read a book on the fearful canine. I tried another trainer who tried to use a nylon chock collar but it only made him worse. I read hundreds of books,"CULTURE CLASH", "DOG ARE FROM NEPTUNE", "THE OTHER END OF THE LEASH", ETC looking for help. We finally went to Purdue University Small Animal Behavior Clinic and they said he had fear aggression, punishment would not work, use the gentle leader and when out walking and he got stressed have the people stop until he could get in control using treats, and work on clicker training. At that point I knew more about clicker training and using the gentle leader than they did! Nothing was working--he would not come when I called him and would run away when I tried to catch him. I was afraid to walk him even in the neighborhood as we had become that "mean dog and women who hasn't trained her dog" I went to four trainers in both Michigan and Florida who were trainer/specialists in aggression and the last two were so afraid of him they could not approach him. No one said I should give up on him and kill him but they would say "You have to realize he is dangerous and you are responsible for him." *(You got LUCKY, Linda... They coulda got Sunshine DEAD on us. Damned near did... too.) As last resort I tried the internet again--I had had on going discussions with trainers from Triple Crown and Dr Meister with out any help-and I found the ad to Doggy Do Right and messaged Jerry to ask if this might help my dog. He said solving the aggression problem was EZ but I could not believe him even when I downloaded the manual. The name of the method was right I was at my Wits End. I had been working for 18 months! Using the can sound three time he came, and still comes from anywhere with the command-"comegoodboy" Next I tried the can when walking him--when he saw a dog three blocks away he went off-lunging and snapping-I used the can sound and he looked at me like uhn? I used it three more times and we got to the other dog- -the looked at me wagging his tail--the other person looked at me like why are shaking that can but just walked on by. When ever I try to explain about the sound people look at me like "you must be out of your mind" The results can make a believer!!! Three weeks since beginning the Wits End Training Manual program I walked him without the gentle leader in a busy shopping area with many dogs. He just seemed to not notice any one. When people talked to him or ask his name he would look at then and wag his tail and let then pet him. I still can not believe the change in him--we can now enjoy life out in public. If I had not found the Wits End method I know there was no hope for him and he would have hurt someone Through all this he never growled at me, guarded his toys or food or showed any sign of aggression with me. My goal is to get the message out to all dog lovers that dogs can be trained fast, easily and problems solved with out force, pain, food or anything but sound and praise!!!! I know most people would have given up on him a long time ago but he was and is my life. Solving the problem was EZ but only with the right approach-sound and praise. I know because I tried everything else and nothing worked!!! =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3 D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D From: Linda Daniel To: Jerry Howe Sent: Monday, January 06, 2003 1:06 AM Subject: - dog aggression Thanks for writing--I would be happy to do almost anything to get your approach out to dog owners as I know it would save so many lives. I know at times I was so frustrated I thought of giving up on Sunshine but of course I never would have but many people would have. The world just does not know you can train a dog in just a few sessions and actually solve problems. We will be here until late April and we really have no plans- -just to enjoy the warmth and sun of Florida, so any time you could meet us would be great. I drive so I would be happy to come to you anytime anywhere! We went to Celebration today and two little poodles got right into his face and he just sat there--I GOT a little scared but he handled it just fine.--a couple of times people would ask his name and want to pet him and he just went to them tail wagging and rolled over for them rub his tummy. He really just is not concerned about people passing, even those on rollerblades! I have always used a gentle leader in public but he spent most of time rubbing his face on the grass--today I used his collar and he was so much happier!! Only problem is he will stop to smell and I can not get stopped soon enough to keep the leash loose. He never pulled ahead of me but when he gets into smelling I have a hard time getting him going--at times I think he could smell a blade of grass for 10 minutes. I can never thank you enough for giving Sunshine back!!!!! I wrote to Purdue and told them about him being able to walk in a crowd with out the /gentle leader and not having a problem with other people and dogs. I told them their advice did not work. Their advice was to use the gentle leader at all times and when he was around people or dogs to have him sit and reward with treats--one really good suggestions was to have people coming toward us stop when he got stressed or aroused and not move until we backed away- - can you just see me yelling at people to stop on the street until I get his attention with treats. They also suggested the possibility of using drugs-prozac- but thought he was too dangerous as the drug would make him less fearful and then he might attack or become more sure of himself and become dominate aggressive. Just had to share their great advice with you but I am sure you have heard it all--even I am becoming an expert on bad advice. ---------------------------------- ("`-''-/").___..--''"`-._ `6_ 6 ) `-. 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