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Ouch. Stupid people suck.
So, here I am at a show and go, with Wylie and my puppy Katy and my nephew,
who is going to try running Wylie on a jumpers course. There are a load of practice obstacles, so we walk over for my nephew to get some practice with Wylie, waiting for the person using them to finish. As I stand with my puppy by my side, her dog leaves the obstacles and high-tails it over to Katy, who is normally pretty confident with other dogs but in this case rolled over immediately as the dog towered over her. The dog just went nuts on her, barely pulled off by the nitwit owner before doing any damage, but not quick enough to keep it from nailing me in the arm as I picked Katy up. Katy was screeching and scared but I couldn't find any actual injuries, and when I put her down to see if she was walking OK, the idiot comes BACK with her freaking dog straining on the leash to see if she was alright! Uh, yeah, but in about a minute you're gonna need an ambulance, asshat. Fortunately, she bounced back fairly quickly, and a few people brought their friendly dogs over for her to meet and she got lots of praise and cookies. She's pretty resilient, so I don't think there will be any lasting damage to her psyche, but I'm not thrilled about the wound I'm sporting on my arm, not bad but certainly painful. I later find out this dog has gone after puppies previously, as well as adult dogs, and the dimwit owner comes up to me saying "I'm working on it! How else can he learn if I don't bring him?" Gosh, I don't know, and I don't care, how you teach your dog not to be an asshole, but whatever you do, it isn't going to be at my dog's expense. Idjit. Christy |
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Ouch. Stupid people suck.
Christy wrote:
snip story I was at a show with my dog a number of years ago when a woman with a dog on a long flexi standing with her back to me allowed her dog to charge to the end of the flexi, knock my dog--who was in heel position next to me--on his back, and jump on him. Of course the leashes became entangled and my dog was yiping and her dog was growling. I was stunned and completely ineffectual, I admit, but a calm woman passing by stepped in and disentangled them. Then the woman with the agressor dog on the 15 or 20 foot flexi tried to blame it on ME!! Some people... |
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Ouch. Stupid people suck.
Christy wrote:
I later find out this dog has gone after puppies previously, as well as adult dogs, and the dimwit owner comes up to me saying "I'm working on it! How else can he learn if I don't bring him?" You bring him and make SURE he doesn't get to harrass puppies! Geez! Gosh, I don't know, and I don't care, how you teach your dog not to be an asshole, but whatever you do, it isn't going to be at my dog's expense. Idjit. Oh, I absolutely despise the "let me use your dog to teach my dog" attitude. A clueless owner lets their obnoxious dog start bouncing up to Cala. "She really doesn't like strange dogs in her face" I say as I back up, keeping myself between clueless idiot's dog and Cala. "Oh," Ms Clueless says, "Let her get him, it will serve him right and teach him a lesson." Okay, what part of get your stinking dog out of my dog's face is hard to understand? I don't WANT Cala to have to deal with this obnoxiousness. She's reactive because she was attacked several times as a puppy and she thinks the best defense is a good offense. She's reactive because dogs who rush into her space intimidate and scare her. So I'm supposed to allow that so someone else's dog can "learn a lesson?" And since I can't allow Cala to feel like she gets to take charge of those situations, I have to correct her if she reacts--because I can't afford to have her doing it even for just cause. The Doberman always gets the blame. What has helped tremendously tone down Cala's dog reactiveness is her understanding that I will run interference for her. She doesn't have to defend herself, I'll keep icky dogs away. |
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Ouch. Stupid people suck.
"Robin Nuttall" wrote in message news:7Yi4f.489774$xm3.5185@attbi_s21... You bring him and make SURE he doesn't get to harrass puppies! Geez! That would require having a brain and the ability to control her dog, neither of which were apparent. She's reactive because she was attacked several times as a puppy and she thinks the best defense is a good offense. She's reactive because dogs who rush into her space intimidate and scare her. Bodhi is the same way, and because he's small and was jumped by bigger dogs, he automatically assumes big dogs are trouble. He doesn't like any dogs intruding on his personal space, but if its a big pushy obnoxious dog, he will react and often be on the defensive even before they intrude. Obviously, this is something I have to be aware of and control, and frankly its easier to have a dog that isn't reactive - so I really hate the idea of having this happen again to this puppy. So I'm supposed to allow that so someone else's dog can "learn a lesson?" And since I can't allow Cala to feel like she gets to take charge of those situations, I have to correct her if she reacts--because I can't afford to have her doing it even for just cause. The Doberman always gets the blame. Yup. Even if Bodhi is blamed, he's not a "scary" dog, so its not that big of a concern except to me personally - it isn't looked at as a breed thing. However, since this is the fifty billionth dog of this particular breed that I've met that is dog aggressive, I'm a little tired of it. I know its not a breed thing, but a clueless owner with high drive uncontrolled dog thing, but its hard to avoid them in agility... Christy |
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Ouch. Stupid people suck.
Christy wrote:
"Robin Nuttall" wrote in message However, since this is the fifty billionth dog of this particular breed that I've met that is dog aggressive, I'm a little tired of it. I know its not a breed thing, but a clueless owner with high drive uncontrolled dog thing, but its hard to avoid them in agility... I'm not sure if it's dog aggression or dog reactivity coupled with the extreme herding instinct along with the whole clueless owner thing but I agree. |
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Ouch. Stupid people suck.
"Christy" wrote in message
news:ULh4f.1143$oy3.790@trnddc04... I later find out this dog has gone after puppies previously, as well as adult dogs, and the dimwit owner comes up to me saying "I'm working on it! How else can he learn if I don't bring him?" At every trial - and I'm guessing even at this show-n-go - the club has the right to make you take your aggressive dog and leave. YOU paid the club to have your dogs there and have the right to expect this sort of thing not to happen. I'm pretty sure I would have approached the club and request that the person and dog be asked to leave and not return until they could behave. Spectators aside, the marks on your arm should certainly be sufficient evidence. This is not the place to train her dog. I do understand it though. Spenser was leash lunged once by a standard poodle - clueless owner standing there in a crowd with a loose lead. He holds it against every poodle. (Although he doesn't seem to recognize the toys as poodles) I know that I have to be very vigilant if there is a poodle in the vicinity because he believes in first strike capability now. I even had to ask one poodle handler to move her poodle away from the entrance gate at a trial - they were blocking it and we were next dog in. Not a time I wanted to be reprimanding Spenser if it could be avoided. She made some comment about "aggressive dogs" and moved slightly away. ~~Judy |
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Ouch. Stupid people suck.
"Judy" wrote: I'm pretty sure I would have approached the club and request that the person and dog be asked to leave and not return until they could behave. Spectators aside, the marks on your arm should certainly be sufficient evidence. What she said. I would almost certainly have gone to the organizers and reported the incident - not as a matter of retalitation, but in order to prevent it happening again, *especially* since you were told it's not the first time the dog has behaved that way. I would *also* almost certainly have already told off the offending person WRT the fact that if she can't control her dog sufficiently to prevent the behaviour, she has NO business bringing him there and letting him off leash. And I most likely would have informed her that if she allowed it to happen again, I would be "correcting" her dog with a hard foot in the ribs, since I have a right to protect my own dog - so she'd better damn well make sure it didn't happen again if she doesn't want her dog kicked. I wouldn't be kidding, either. I'm very understanding and very tolerant most of the time about dogs with "issues", but NOT when the dog does something like that repeatedly and the owner is clueless. My personal policy is that I'd rather people think I'm a meanie than be "nice" to them and risk my dog - or anyone else's dog - getting hurt in a future encounter. I do understand it though. Spenser was leash lunged once by a standard poodle - clueless owner standing there in a crowd with a loose lead. He holds it against every poodle. (Although he doesn't seem to recognize the toys as poodles) I know that I have to be very vigilant if there is a poodle in the vicinity because he believes in first strike capability now. I even had to ask one poodle handler to move her poodle away from the entrance gate at a trial - they were blocking it and we were next dog in. Not a time I wanted to be reprimanding Spenser if it could be avoided. She made some comment about "aggressive dogs" and moved slightly away. ~~Judy |
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Ouch. Stupid people suck.
"Judy" wrote in message ... I'm pretty sure I would have approached the club and request that the person and dog be asked to leave and not return until they could behave. Spectators aside, the marks on your arm should certainly be sufficient evidence. This is not the place to train her dog. They did ask her to take the dog off the premises, though she stayed to work her other dog. Christy |
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Ouch. Stupid people suck.
On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:33:48 GMT Christy whittled these words:
Christy Christy, Did you get email from me? In the past my spam filter has managed to send responses into the ethersphere. I just want to make sure that didn't happen again. -- Diane Blackman There is no moral victory in proclaiming to abhor violence while preaching with violent words. http://dog-play.com/ http://dogplayshops.com/ |
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Ouch. Stupid people suck.
wrote in message ... On Sun, 16 Oct 2005 17:33:48 GMT Christy whittled these words: Christy Christy, Did you get email from me? In the past my spam filter has managed to send responses into the ethersphere. I just want to make sure that didn't happen again. Hi Diane - Nope, I sure didn't - I'll go to my web based mail server and check to see if its stuck in the spam folder that doesn't get downloaded. Christy |
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