I'm beginning to worry that Maui will never be trained completely. I am
constantly trying to reinforce his skills and obedience but he still doesn't
always listen. I am looking into getting some training assistance (in
addition to a second class), such as an ecollar but not as drastic. I found
this audible only collar and was wondering if these work at all to help
proof the commands and his listening. Any input appreciated.

http://www.petsmart.com/global/produ...130263559 495


If that doesn't work, do I need to consider this? I would hate to resort to
this but I would also hate to have a dog who is unreliable forever.

http://stores.channeladvisor.com/kc-...itemid=3524769


THANKS

"MauiJNP" wrote in :

I'm beginning to worry that Maui will never be trained completely.

What is that cute little fellow up to?

Just wondering what particular things you're having trouble with.

--
Catherine
& Zoe the cockerchow
& Queenie the black gold retriever
& Rosalie the calico

I'm beginning to worry that Maui will never be trained completely.

What is that cute little fellow up to?

Just wondering what particular things you're having trouble with.


Well, I will start on a positive note, his outside recall is really working
well! However, his inside manners aren't what they use to be. He won't
leave the garbage cans alone in any room (something I thought he outgrew)
and the other day, he got up onto the table when I ran to chase my nephew
(which he hasn't done in a long time as well). As for obedience stuff, he
is ignoring the stay command at least half of the time, particularily when
he has something I want to take away from him (like my nephews' toys he
shouldn't be chewing on). I try trading him for something else (which is
usually when he stays) but I don't always have something around at the
second to trade him so he will run off like it is a game of chase. For the
come command, he's at about 90% inside but it used to be higher too. He is
still not working through distractions that well and I would love to improve
on that.




--
Catherine
& Zoe the cockerchow
& Queenie the black gold retriever
& Rosalie the calico


On an unrelated topic, my brother brought a new puppy here yesterday after
he picked it up. It is so cute, it's black with a little bit of white on
one paw and around its neck (kinda looks like a collar). It's a Scotty mix
(he thinks part poodle too but isn't sure). His friend's neighbor was
giving them away for free due to it being an "accidental" breeding (it's 10
weeks old). Anyway, it really looks like it should be named Zoe so I have
been trying to convince them to use that name. They want to name it Molly
but this little ball of fire is too fiesty to be Molly.

"MauiJNP" wrote in message
...
Well, I will start on a positive note, his outside recall is really
working
well! However, his inside manners aren't what they use to be.

How old is he?

What you're describing sounds to me like teenager.

~~Judy

Well, I will start on a positive note, his outside recall is really
working
well! However, his inside manners aren't what they use to be.

How old is he?

What you're describing sounds to me like teenager.

~~Judy




he's almost 16 months old.

"MauiJNP" wrote in
:


I'm beginning to worry that Maui will never be trained completely.

What is that cute little fellow up to?

Just wondering what particular things you're having trouble with.


Well, I will start on a positive note, his outside recall is really
working well! However, his inside manners aren't what they use to be.
He won't leave the garbage cans alone in any room (something I
thought he outgrew) and the other day, he got up onto the table when I
ran to chase my nephew (which he hasn't done in a long time as well).
As for obedience stuff, he is ignoring the stay command at least half
of the time, particularily when he has something I want to take away
from him (like my nephews' toys he shouldn't be chewing on). I try
trading him for something else (which is usually when he stays) but I
don't always have something around at the second to trade him so he
will run off like it is a game of chase. For the come command, he's
at about 90% inside but it used to be higher too. He is still not
working through distractions that well and I would love to improve on
that.


I agree with Judy, and I think I recall that he is about a year old?
Maybe a bit of late adolescence? Maybe he thinks he's running the house
now? I find that from time to time, Zoe and I have to go back to first
principles -- and certainly, when behavior backslides, that's a good time
to start over and practice a lot. Like those stays -- sounds like you
might want to practice them at low-stimulation times so that he's
reminded of what you want.

I also wouldn't hesitate to take something away from him without trading
right away -- you don't have to have something in hand, you can just take
whatever he's chewing on and then go looking for the replacement.

On an unrelated topic, my brother brought a new puppy here yesterday
after he picked it up. It is so cute, it's black with a little bit of
white on one paw and around its neck (kinda looks like a collar).
It's a Scotty mix (he thinks part poodle too but isn't sure). His
friend's neighbor was giving them away for free due to it being an
"accidental" breeding (it's 10 weeks old). Anyway, it really looks
like it should be named Zoe so I have been trying to convince them to
use that name. They want to name it Molly but this little ball of
fire is too fiesty to be Molly.



We will be needing peectures.

Zoe's pretty trendy and I might have avoided it if I knew that in
advance. In my little corner of the world there's my Zoe (the REAL Zoe)
and then a whole bunch of Zoes who don't look like Zoes at all, including
Zoe the beagle and Zoe the boxer. Tiny Zoe, who is a blonde cockerpoo,
looks exactly like my Zoe only tiny and blonde. Therefore I believe she
is named correctly. She's also a little spitfire.

I recommend Chloe, which is what I wanted to name Zoe, but someone in my
book group has a daughter named Chloe, so I thought that wouldn't be
right.

Anyway, enjoy the new puppy in the family!

--
Catherine
& Zoe the cockerchow
& Queenie the black gold retriever
& Rosalie the calico

On Tue, 25 Oct 2005 14:16:43 -0400, MauiJNP wrote:

I'm beginning to worry that Maui will never be trained completely. I am
constantly trying to reinforce his skills and obedience but he still doesn't
always listen. I am looking into getting some training assistance (in
addition to a second class), such as an ecollar but not as drastic. I found
this audible only collar and was wondering if these work at all to help
proof the commands and his listening. Any input appreciated.

http://www.petsmart.com/global/produ...130263559 495


If that doesn't work, do I need to consider this? I would hate to resort to
this but I would also hate to have a dog who is unreliable forever.

http://stores.channeladvisor.com/kc-...itemid=3524769

What the e-collar trainers do - and I think it's a large part of why they
are so successful - is very carefully introduce the collar to the dog. In
a way that teaches the dog that he knows how to turn off the correction.

They call it "conditioning" the dog to the collar.

And it's not something you want to do from a book. Find someone who knows
what they're doing.

--
I swear eternal enmity against every form of tyranny over the mind of man.
- Thomas Jefferson

"MauiJNP" wrote in message
...

he's almost 16 months old.

That's a little older than I would expect the teenage stuff to hit but it's
still a thought.

I would have expected that around 9 months old, maybe ten, that he would
start acting like the dog equivalent of a teenager. Testing boundaries,
checking not only on what the rules are but on how exactly you are going to
insist on compliance. Looking for loopholes and exceptions to rules.

It's pretty common and would normally last for a month or two, maybe a
little more. I don't know when the brains shipments show up for poodles.
Spenser (schnauzer) got his in installments - some around a year old and
additional shipments would arrive every six months or so. I think the last
upgrade was sometime in late July and at four years old, this may complete
the set.

But if it is the teenage thing, the answer is complete consistency and
insistance on compliance. Sometimes it seems like they have completely
forgotten things that you KNOW they knew last month. It's almost like
starting with a puppy - except the learning curve is much faster. You're
reminding, not teaching from scratch.

At least that's one guess.

~~Judy

Max is the opposite - a complete gentlemen while indoors with perfect recall
and come. No indoor destruction what so ever (as I knock on wood). Just
sleeps in his chair.

Now - outside - a 180. 50% come - no recall and a complete menious to all
those non-human around him.

Imagine that.


"MauiJNP" wrote in message
...
I'm beginning to worry that Maui will never be trained completely. I am
constantly trying to reinforce his skills and obedience but he still
doesn't
always listen. I am looking into getting some training assistance (in
addition to a second class), such as an ecollar but not as drastic. I
found
this audible only collar and was wondering if these work at all to help
proof the commands and his listening. Any input appreciated.


http://www.petsmart.com/global/produ...130263559 495


If that doesn't work, do I need to consider this? I would hate to resort
to
this but I would also hate to have a dog who is unreliable forever.


http://stores.channeladvisor.com/kc-...itemid=3524769


THANKS

"buzzsaw" wrote in message
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Max is the opposite - a complete gentlemen while indoors with perfect
recall
and come. No indoor destruction what so ever (as I knock on wood). Just
sleeps in his chair.


that's how Maui used to be after he learned how to behave and before he
entered this new phase of crazy!


Now - outside - a 180. 50% come - no recall and a complete menious to
all
those non-human around him.


that's how Maui used to be too but now he listens better outside.


Imagine that.


"MauiJNP" wrote in message
...
I'm beginning to worry that Maui will never be trained completely. I am
constantly trying to reinforce his skills and obedience but he still
doesn't
always listen. I am looking into getting some training assistance (in
addition to a second class), such as an ecollar but not as drastic. I
found
this audible only collar and was wondering if these work at all to help
proof the commands and his listening. Any input appreciated.


http://www.petsmart.com/global/produ...130263559 495


If that doesn't work, do I need to consider this? I would hate to resort
to
this but I would also hate to have a dog who is unreliable forever.


http://stores.channeladvisor.com/kc-...itemid=3524769


THANKS