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the "breeder" says Scotty mix

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the "breeder" says Scotty mix

Rather normal legs, lots of coat, that much white. I'd guess that you could
get something like that from spaniel x Parson Russell (not short-legged
Jack Russell, but the long-legged Parson-type version). I don't see
anything which would be a certain sign of Sctooish Terrier ancestry there.

Liisa

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the "breeder" says Scotty mix

Rather normal legs, lots of coat, that much white. I'd guess that you
could
get something like that from spaniel x Parson Russell (not short-legged
Jack Russell, but the long-legged Parson-type version). I don't see
anything which would be a certain sign of Sctooish Terrier ancestry there.

Coat looks rather soft also. And even somewhat curly. Wouldn't it be a
harder, stiffer coat if it came from a Scottish ancestor?

~~Judy

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the "breeder" says Scotty mix

Rather normal legs, lots of coat, that much white. I'd guess that you
could
get something like that from spaniel x Parson Russell (not short-legged
Jack Russell, but the long-legged Parson-type version). I don't see
anything which would be a certain sign of Sctooish Terrier ancestry
there.

Coat looks rather soft also. And even somewhat curly. Wouldn't it be a
harder, stiffer coat if it came from a Scottish ancestor?



coat is soft and somewhat curly, I suggest part poodle for that reason. I
never met a scotty so I am not sure about their coats

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coat is soft and somewhat curly, I suggest part poodle for that reason. I
never met a scotty so I am not sure about their coats

I'd probably go poodle also. Scottie coat is a completely different feel.
At least a "proper" Scottie coat - can't say if the BYB ones get soft. But
a Scottie coat should feel definitely wiry - and it doesn't have the curl.

Liisa can better address what changes would be most likely once they start
getting mixed.

But *I* would expect that hard straightish coat from a Scottie to be fairly
dominant. Even the completely ungroomed, BYB Scotties I've seen have had
that distinctive coat. I've never seen one look fluffy.

~~Judy

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the "breeder" says Scotty mix

a "scoodle"? ;-)

just looks like a cute little black dog to me. :-)

-kelly

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"MauiJNP" wrote in message
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the "breeder" says Scotty mix

a "scoodle"? ;-)


gotta love poodle mixes and the names people come up with


just looks like a cute little black dog to me. :-)

-kelly


thanks, I think she's cute too and she got a great personality to match!

"Judy" wrote in message
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"MauiJNP" wrote in message
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coat is soft and somewhat curly, I suggest part poodle for that reason.
I
never met a scotty so I am not sure about their coats

I'd probably go poodle also. Scottie coat is a completely different feel.
At least a "proper" Scottie coat - can't say if the BYB ones get soft.
But
a Scottie coat should feel definitely wiry - and it doesn't have the curl.

Liisa can better address what changes would be most likely once they start
getting mixed.

But *I* would expect that hard straightish coat from a Scottie to be
fairly
dominant. Even the completely ungroomed, BYB Scotties I've seen have had
that distinctive coat. I've never seen one look fluffy.

~~Judy



any chance of some Yorkie being in her mix? could explain the fluffiness?

"Judy" wrote in
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But a Scottie coat should feel definitely wiry - and it doesn't
have the curl.

Hard, straight and wiry. It doesn't look very long, but this breed is
trimmed for a show ring and so I'm not totally sure how long the coat will
grow, if this breed is genetically long-coated or not. The black dog in the
photos is clearly long-coated.

But *I* would expect that hard straightish coat from a Scottie to be
fairly dominant. Even the completely ungroomed, BYB Scotties I've seen
have had that distinctive coat. I've never seen one look fluffy.

Poodle coat type is still more dominant, and I'd expect a Poodle x Scottie
cross have much softer and wavier coat than a purebred Scottie.

But legs, look at those legs. Scotties are genetically short-legged dogs,
and this pup looks like it has normal (although shortish) legs.

Color is another thing: this much white. Scotties don't have ever (well, as
far as I know) more white than perhaps a very small spot on chest, and
although piebald Poodles do exist, they are rather rare and non-standard.
The pup looks like it was genetically either irish sisi (impossible if one
parent is a Scottie amd not too likely if one parent is a Poodle), or more
likely "false irish" Ssp or Ssw. In this case one parent should have that
piebald/extreme white gene and that's why I suggested a Parson parent.
Bearded breed, long-coated gene might exist in the gene pool, long legs,
and about all Parsons are spsp/spsw/swsw.

Liisa

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Hard, straight and wiry. It doesn't look very long, but this breed is
trimmed for a show ring and so I'm not totally sure how long the coat will
grow, if this breed is genetically long-coated or not. The black dog in
the
photos is clearly long-coated.

The few Scotties that I have known have been somewhere between minimally to
never groomed. The trimmed show coats are neater - which is the purpose, of
course. I can't say genetically what they are supposed to be or do but the
ones I saw ungroomed (except for brushing) weren't a whole lot longer than
the show coats. Stellar examples of their breed, they were not but they did
seem to have at least an approximation of a proper Scottie coat.

The other thing is, as Liisa mentioned, the leg length. And Scotties are
basically square bodied. Height at the withers is just slightly less than
length from withers to base of tail. With short legs. Poodles are very
different body shapes.

Poodle coat type is still more dominant, and I'd expect a Poodle x Scottie
cross have much softer and wavier coat than a purebred Scottie.

I *have* noticed that the poodle coat does seem to always carry through.

Color is another thing: this much white. Scotties don't have ever (well,
as
far as I know) more white than perhaps a very small spot on chest,

And actually, Scotties can be colors other than black.. But it IS unusual to
see one. The AKC standard reads "Black, wheaten or brindle of any color.
Many black and brindle dogs have sprinklings of white or silver hairs in
their coats which are normal and not be penalized. White can be allowed
only on the chest and chin and that to a slight extent only." They also
mention that soft, curly and fluffy are severely penalized.

That pup clearly has white and has definite white on the ruff and on the
feet. And from what I know and from what I think Liisa is saying, there's
very likely some poodle in there and not very likely any Scottie.

But it IS a cute little pup.

~~Judy