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Our first club AKC agility trial & Cala OA--we did it! (long)



 
 
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Old December 6th 05, 01:22 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.breeds,rec.pets.dogs.behavior,rec.pets.dogs.activities
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Whew, what a weekend! Our local club just finished our first ever AKC
agility trial. We've been doing UKC shows for years so we are not
inexperienced. But this was lots more work, lots more organization, lots
more headaches.

It was my first time to ever chair a trial. It's been a very long
road--starting with me saying, 3 years ago, "well if I want an AKC trial
here, I'm going to need to be willing to step up to the plate to help it
happen." And indeed it took three years of red tape, paperwork, and more
red tape. Becoming an AKC agility club from the outside (without being a
breed/conformation club first) is a total and complete pain in the ass.
I think they have at least 6 copies of our membership and C&B up
there--every time you progress a step you need to send another one--it's
like, what do you all DO with this stuff? Can't you keep our stuff in
one place and share???

The decision to go for AKC status was a controversial one. Some club
members felt we should stay UKC. They felt that if we became an AKC
club, we would want to dump our UKC events. I, for one, will fight
that--I think UKC is a very important and under utilized venue. But we
are very, very lucky. We all like each other and get along, and are able
to be adults about things. So even the folks who are not real thrilled
about AKC pitched in and worked just as hard as everybody else. The
judge commented on how nice it was to work with a club that got along!

And Cala finished her Open Standard title. It was a bit of a hairy
run--we're having overall stay issues. She pulled out of a set of weaves
early and took the next jump because *I* jerked her out and sent her
there. So a refusal and wrong course all in about 2 seconds. Wrong
courses are our nemesis. We had no downed bars all weekend though.

Then there were the pigeons. Two fat, slow pigeons. Sitting in the Open
Jumpers ring. Out about 30 feet out from what was supposed to be a 180.
Strutting around and cooing and doing their pigeon thing. Cala took the
first jump of the 180, saw pigeons, and put on the afterburners. Now
this is a dog that I think will get close to 6 yards per second anyway,
but she shifted it up a gear. The fattest pigeon looked up to see a
black missle with teeth headed its way and thought "Oh. ****." And did.
And I yelled "CALA!!" Her head tipped just enough. Teeth clicked about
an inch from pigeon. And she came back and actually finished the course
in order, with her head STRAIGHT up in the air tracking those pigeons.
I'm surprised she didn't rack her chin on the tunnel. Never seen a dog
clear a 24" jump with it's head tilted back like that. Not a Q, but
certainly entertaining.

Next year we're bringing in a pellet gun Friday night...
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"Robin Nuttall" wrote in message
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It was my first time to ever chair a trial. It's been a very long
road--starting with me saying, 3 years ago, "well if I want an AKC trial
here, I'm going to need to be willing to step up to the plate to help it
happen." And indeed it took three years of red tape, paperwork, and more
red tape. Becoming an AKC agility club from the outside (without being a
breed/conformation club first) is a total and complete pain in the ass. I
think they have at least 6 copies of our membership and C&B up
there--every time you progress a step you need to send another one--it's
like, what do you all DO with this stuff? Can't you keep our stuff in one
place and share???


Ha! All of the paperwork is crazy, period! I've been trial chair for a
herding trial, plus other odd "official" jobs for an agility trial, and am
trying to decide if I want to secretary our obed/tracking club's VST test
this coming Spring. I suppose I could, only because VST entries are small,
compared to an agility or even an obed. trial.


And Cala finished her Open Standard title. It was a bit of a hairy
run--we're having overall stay issues.


Congratulations!

Next year we're bringing in a pellet gun Friday night...


Sounds warranted. I know we sometimes run NADAC in a big fairgrounds
building and there are almost always birds of some sort in there. Bodhi's
never noticed them, but I've seen several bird dogs that have!
Shelly w/ Coda & The Black Pack


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Shelly & The Boys wrote:


Ha! All of the paperwork is crazy, period! I've been trial chair for a
herding trial, plus other odd "official" jobs for an agility trial, and am
trying to decide if I want to secretary our obed/tracking club's VST test
this coming Spring. I suppose I could, only because VST entries are small,
compared to an agility or even an obed. trial.


Oh it was a real no-brainer about hiring a professional agility
secretary for our trial. We have a good one, and no way did we want to
deal with it. FWIW, UKC Obedience trial paperwork is MUCH worse than
AKC, mostly because it consists of a ton of forms that you have to fill
out by hand because they come on triplicate carbonless sheets. But our
obedience entries are small so that helps.


Sounds warranted. I know we sometimes run NADAC in a big fairgrounds
building and there are almost always birds of some sort in there. Bodhi's
never noticed them, but I've seen several bird dogs that have!


At Purina Farms the swallows love to dive-bomb dogs. There were also
sparrows around, but they weren't near as distracting as fat, black,
slow pigeons.
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"Robin Nuttall" wrote in message
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Whew, what a weekend! Our local club just finished our first ever AKC
agility trial.


Wow! Congratulations. It clearly was a lot of hard work. But the next one
should be easier, right?

The
judge commented on how nice it was to work with a club that got along!


High praise indeed. Because you KNOW those judges see everything.

And Cala finished her Open Standard title.


And double congratulations!

Then there were the pigeons.


You expect some traps built into the course. The ones the judges call
"challenges". I'm pretty sure we would have *not* pulled that one off.
*Maybe* Spenser but there is no way Sassy would have gone on with the course
until those birds got their butts in the air. Of course, she's fast enough
that she still might have made time.

Next year we're bringing in a pellet gun Friday night...


An excellent idea. Might even be a good thing to have around for the trial
also. I'm guessing there are times that either the judge or the secretary
could have found one handy at a trial.

Sounds like you had a great weekend.

~~Judy


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Old December 7th 05, 03:39 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.activities
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Judy wrote:
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Wow! Congratulations. It clearly was a lot of hard work. But the next one
should be easier, right?


I think so. Part of the stress of this one was all the little teeny
stuff--making sure our show kit was in order, we had enough pens, we got
the ribbons ordered, etc.




You expect some traps built into the course. The ones the judges call
"challenges". I'm pretty sure we would have *not* pulled that one off.
*Maybe* Spenser but there is no way Sassy would have gone on with the course
until those birds got their butts in the air. Of course, she's fast enough
that she still might have made time.


Oh they got their butts in the air all right--or Cala would have eaten
one. Then they were flapping and circling above the ring, hence her
doing the last 4 jumps and tunnel with her head twisted up in the air.


Next year we're bringing in a pellet gun Friday night...



An excellent idea. Might even be a good thing to have around for the trial
also. I'm guessing there are times that either the judge or the secretary
could have found one handy at a trial.

Well I'm not sure shooting a pigeon would be called child friendly
entertainment....so we better do it before we have crowds and kids.
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Robin Nuttall said in
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The
judge commented on how nice it was to work with a club that
got along!


Hah! Until you *don't* get along.

Congratulations on Cala's title. (Off courses are Friday's and
my nemesis, too. I'd expect no less out of a fast dog.)

As Judy saud, the hard part is over. Setting up the first trial
is tough. And expensive.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
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Rocky wrote:
Robin Nuttall said in
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The
judge commented on how nice it was to work with a club that
got along!



Hah! Until you *don't* get along.


Let's hope that never happens. Our local breed club is just nasty. I
think that for the most part performance people tend to be less
so--perhaps because money can't buy you Qs and running agility is
inherently humbling.


Congratulations on Cala's title. (Off courses are Friday's and
my nemesis, too. I'd expect no less out of a fast dog.)


Viva was pretty darn fast but very sticky--we almost never had off
courses. Cala runs very big and we are not yet a team. I have hope for
the future though--even with big off courses we're topping 5 yards per
second. The fastest doberman team in the U.S. is 5.5 (yes, slower than
fast BCs by at least .5 yps). I would love to beat that and I think we
can if we can get ourselves together and get smooth.

As Judy saud, the hard part is over. Setting up the first trial
is tough. And expensive.


Well it will be expensive for awhile. We still have some equipment needs
and mostly borrow from locals who own equipment. We need to buy
electronic timers, and our goal is to have a 2nd trailer (we just bought
one) and keep an entire set of 2 rings of equipment sitting on it just
for use at trials. That way we can have one trailer for UKC and one
trailer for AKC and the equipment doesn't get worn out.
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"Robin Nuttall" wrote in message
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Well it will be expensive for awhile. We still have some equipment needs
and mostly borrow from locals who own equipment. We need to buy
electronic timers, and our goal is to have a 2nd trailer (we just bought
one) and keep an entire set of 2 rings of equipment sitting on it just
for use at trials. That way we can have one trailer for UKC and one
trailer for AKC and the equipment doesn't get worn out.


The majority of trials I go to around here, the club has the equipment
brought in by a manufacturer/distributor. Including the electronic timers.
We went up to some run-throughs a couple of days before one trial - the club
was offering free run-throughs if at the end of the evening you helped move
their equipment out of the rings and out of the way of the trial.

I'm sure there's an expense to it (well, duh) but at least some of it is
offset by the supplier selling equipment at the trial. And it makes for
much faster adjustments and repairs to the electronic timers if there's an
expert setting them up.

Even that trial we went to in September (the one with the giant PMS cloud
hanging over it all weekend), the equipment supplier also was in charge of
the course builders. Man, that guy could set up a course fast. We had
timer problems off and on all weekend because of the rain but they were
quickly dealt with by having the expert right there.

It makes for much more standardized equipment - which makes competitors
happier. And makes them bitch less to the judges. One trial I can think of
that uses all their own equipment has some horrendous stuff. Legal but just
not completely fair to dogs (especially novice) who haven't trained on it.
HUGE winged jumps. All of them. (I'm talking Statue of Liberty.) And
chutes that have elaborate designs at the entrance. Somebody in that club
got just a little carried away with the table saw he got for Christmas one
year.

~~Judy


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Judy wrote:


The majority of trials I go to around here, the club has the equipment
brought in by a manufacturer/distributor. Including the electronic timers.
We went up to some run-throughs a couple of days before one trial - the club
was offering free run-throughs if at the end of the evening you helped move
their equipment out of the rings and out of the way of the trial.


Right. You're in the East or Northeast, correct? There are no
manufacturers who do this within 1000 miles of here (literally). Around
here, you buy your own equipment and maintain it.

Max 200 ain't going to drive to Columbia MO to do a 300 run trial.

I'm sure there's an expense to it (well, duh) but at least some of it is
offset by the supplier selling equipment at the trial. And it makes for
much faster adjustments and repairs to the electronic timers if there's an
expert setting them up.


Well we rented the electronic timers from the guy who invented them. HE
lives only 100 miles from here. So that's a no-brainer, though it will
soon be time for us to buy a set.


It makes for much more standardized equipment - which makes competitors
happier. And makes them bitch less to the judges. One trial I can think of
that uses all their own equipment has some horrendous stuff. Legal but just
not completely fair to dogs (especially novice) who haven't trained on it.
HUGE winged jumps. All of them. (I'm talking Statue of Liberty.) And
chutes that have elaborate designs at the entrance. Somebody in that club
got just a little carried away with the table saw he got for Christmas one
year.


Our contact equipment is a mixture of J&J and Max 200. A local lady
welded our jumps and the judge was raving over them and asking how she
could get some. Our wings are Max 200. The J&J teeter, brand new, was
actually a problem--apparently they weight them far to heavy at J&J. So
we had to reweight it and one of our members stayed up until 11:00
Friday drilling a metal plate of the correct weight. The judge also
didn't like our less-than-a-year-old aframe from Max 200--the slats
weren't rounded enough. So we'll fix that for next year. Even "top"
equipment manufacturers aren't perfect!

So no, we did NOT put crap on the floor. In the South, it's apparently
normal to do rebar weave poles. Now those, I think are crap. Poles
sticking up at all angles, wobbly bases, thanks no.

As for course builders--it took us an average of 10 minutes to change
courses, and all courses were set by 7:00 a.m. each morning.
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"Robin Nuttall" wrote in message
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Right. You're in the East or Northeast, correct? There are no
manufacturers who do this within 1000 miles of here (literally). Around
here, you buy your own equipment and maintain it.

Max 200 ain't going to drive to Columbia MO to do a 300 run trial.


Bummer. Because it does work pretty well. Guess we're lucky.

The judge also
didn't like our less-than-a-year-old aframe from Max 200--the slats
weren't rounded enough. So we'll fix that for next year. Even "top"
equipment manufacturers aren't perfect!


Yeah, and I'm hearing rumors that AKC is going to make some changes to what
is acceptable in tire jump bases also. It's hard to keep up with everybody.

So no, we did NOT put crap on the floor. In the South, it's apparently
normal to do rebar weave poles. Now those, I think are crap. Poles
sticking up at all angles, wobbly bases, thanks no.


Didn't mean to indicate anything about crap. Even that club here that uses
all the HUGE winged jumps and such has otherwise good equipment.

I do not think I'd be pleased with rebar weaves. The trials we did in
Florida (which we all know is not typical "south") had standard PVC weaves.
Can't remember what spacing they used. But I didn't have any complaints or
concerns about their equipment.

As for course builders--it took us an average of 10 minutes to change
courses, and all courses were set by 7:00 a.m. each morning.


You did *very* well indeed. A tribute to your organizational skills. What
it takes to set courses quickly is someone in charge who *really* knows how
to do it and enough hands to follow directions. Helps even more if they
know it all pretty much too. We have some trials we do that it can take
half an hour - I've seen up to an hour - to change a course. And that's
before the judge walks it. Gets frustrating, as I'm sure you know.

~~Judy


 




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