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Old January 23rd 06, 10:29 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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Melanie L Chang wrote:
Digital cameras are fun, but I think I might be a photography Luddite.


It's easier to get good results with a cheap film camera
than it is with a cheap digital camera, but a decent digital
camera is, I think, every bit as capable as a decent film
camera. Taking the pictures is one piece of it; getting the
results out of the camera is another, and arguably larger
piece. I'm really happy to put darkroom work behind me. I
think you could probably spend hours and hours trying to
deal with contrast issues in the "grin" photo, but with a
decent digital image editor you could get what you want
relatively quickly.

But there's definitely something nice about the feel of a
good film camera, and how it handles.
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Old January 23rd 06, 11:55 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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Melanie L Chang wrote:
I don't know if I agree with that. You know way more than I do, so I'm
probably missing a lot, but I think it helps that with digital you can
take a zillion shots without any real penalty.


Cheap digital cameras, and older ones, have problems like
serious shutter lag that make it really hard to recover if
you miss a shot, which you often do because of the shutter
lag. They tend to be kind of unresponsive in general (slow
focus, slow aperture changes, etc.) Some of them have
really crappy color, too, and that's kind of hard to recover
from. They can be excellent for snapshots but it tends to
be hard to take really good pictures with them. But these
days a good digital camera handles like a good SLR.

I have an old, crappy digital camera. I kind of hate it but
I'm living with it.

It makes it more likely
that you'll end up with at least a few good shots. Even a crappy digital
camera can also kind of speed up the learning curve because you see what
you shoot immediately after you shoot it.


Well, I don't know. I find it hard to really see what I've
got on those dinky screens, and there's nothing like
spending a bunch of time staring at prints and trying to
figure out what works and what doesn't.

I've always been a moron about post-processing my digital photos. I'll
maybe resize and crop using Photoshop, but that's it. Partly because I'm
ignorant, and partly because I'm lazy, whatever comes out of the camera
tends to be what I keep.


Wait until you start spending time in the darkroom. Maybe
you'll enjoy it more than photoshopping - it's certainly a
lot more tactile. Still, ultimately you don't have as much
control (unless you're a way huge wizard) and it's kind of
wasteful.

(I don't
know about resolution; my understanding is that no digital camera of any
quality can approach the resolution of a good film camera with an
excellent lens -- not currently, anyway.)


I think they probably do for most purposes. Digital stuff
is digitized. The conversion process (or in the case of
CCDs, the capture process) basically samples analog input.
When CDs first came out a guy I worked with refused to buy
a CD player because he felt he could hear the difference
between the continuous analog music from vinyl and sampled
music on CD. Digitizing images raises pretty much the same
issues. If your "sampling" is dense enough it's nearly
impossible for humans to detect that it's not analog. For
example, these days over half the long distance telephone
calls made in the US pass over a VoIP trunk, in which the
voice is digitized at a sampling rate of 80 frames per
second. I'd be very surprised if you noticed. Similarly,
with an 8mp camera it would be pretty surprising if you
could tell that a picture taken with it didn't come from a
film camera.
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