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How to deal with neighbor's dog barking
Hi,
I have an elderly widow neighbor who has a min-pin (or mix thereof as it seems a little heavier). I'm very good friends with her, and her dog. The dog loves everyone, including me. If something would happen to my neighbor, a good chance I may be adopting the dog. I would like to know what I can do, training wise, when the dog is let out and he comes to the corner of her yard closest to my house, and right next to my bedroom window. He barks seemingly to get my attention, but will go there and bark as he can see any other activity on the street near my house. So a good alert watchdog I guess. However, I'm a late sleeper due to too many second shift jobs in my life, so what can I do, in a friendly way to dissuade the dog from barking by "my" corner? I was thinking of getting a dog whistle, as I'm sure he can hear that thru the glass window just as good as I can hear his shrill barking? Will that work, or another approach? My neighbor is very loving towards the dog, and she has a hard time controlling the dog barking herself, even if I or someone else comes over, the dog will have a barking fit when people leave, and when it's in her house, it's deafening. Like the dog wants your attention and don't want to see you go. She generally puts him in his cage, when someone is leaving, but again, that shrill loud bark! (He'll bark and jump also if not put in the cage). She has tried a collar that makes a high pitched noise when he barks, as well as a stand alone unit that does something similar, and even turned the collar on the "high" setting. This does not phase the little guy one bit, he'll just keep barking (and jumping!). What can we do to quiet him down? Thanks. -- |
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How to deal with neighbor's dog barking
"Michelle" said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior: Take a tin can (pop can) and put a few pennies in it. When the dog starts to bark shake the can - but don't let him see you do it. It will startle the dog and he will stop barking. When he stops barking offer him a treat. Make sure you shake it loudly and that he doesn't see you do it. Do it each time he has a barking fit. Evenutally he will associate his barking with the loud noise and will stop barking. Reward his good behaviour with treats. Dogs learn from positive reinforcement. They also learn from a combination of punishment and reinforcement - which is what you've described in your shake can advice. -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. |
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How to deal with neighbor's dog barking
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 13:06:30 -0400, "DK1000"
wrote: [] I would like to know what I can do, training wise, when the dog is let out and he comes to the corner of her yard closest to my house, and right next to my bedroom window. He barks seemingly to get my attention, but will go there and bark as he can see any other activity on the street near my house. Min pins can be virtual barking machines, especially the ones that haven't been properly OBEDIENCE TRAINED. So a good alert watchdog I guess. However, I'm a late sleeper due to too many second shift jobs in my life, so what can I do, in a friendly way to dissuade the dog from barking by "my" corner? In the short run, if she's your friend, I'd ask her to better coordinate the times that she lets her min pin out in the yard. And if the fence leaves something to be desired, as far as security (escapability, etc.) goes, I'd warn your friend that she probably shouldn't let him out in the yard when she's not there to *supervise* him. She could easily come out to an empty yard one day. And her supervison will have a *much* bigger impact on the dog, if she OBEDIENCE TRAINS him first. Everything starts with good OBEDIENCE TRAINING. I was thinking of getting a dog whistle, as I'm sure he can hear that thru the glass window just as good as I can hear his shrill barking? Will that work, or another approach? My neighbor is very loving towards the dog, and she has a hard time controlling the dog barking herself, Perhaps too "loving"? It's not un unusual for a novice dog owner to confuse being loving with being much too permissive. That is, they're so loving that they forget that dogs, even very small ones, REQUIRE discipline, too. My guess is that your friend is much too permisive with this dog, which, if he is a min pin, can lead to problems (such as barking and destructive behaviors). even if I or someone else comes over, the dog will have a barking fit when people leave, and when it's in her house, it's deafening. Like the dog wants your attention and don't want to see you go. She generally puts him in his cage, when someone is leaving, but again, that shrill loud bark! (He'll bark and jump also if not put in the cage). She has tried a collar that makes a high pitched noise when he barks, as well as a stand alone unit that does something similar, and even turned the collar on the "high" setting. This does not phase the little guy one bit, he'll just keep barking (and jumping!). What can we do to quiet him down? Ditch the collar and find yourself (or your friend) a good OBEDIENCE TRAINING class, or seek the services of a professional trainer. Your friend's vet can probably aim you in the right direction. The cure to all the barking, chewing, etc. will be found in some good OBEDIENCE TRAINING. Don't look for a quick fix, cuz there ain't one. Good luck! PS: You might want to get yourself a good breed book on the min pin. It'll help to prepare you for what to expect, should you eventually decide to take him. If you're not prepared to OBEDIENCE TRAIN this little dog, you should at last be prepared for years and years of barking, destructiveness. etc., as well as all the fun, affection, etc. -- Handsome Jack Morrison |
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How to deal with neighbor's dog barking
Thanks everybody for the input so far. I'll try the pennies in a pop can
thing, good suggestion. I don't think she'll get professional obedience training, but maybe I can urge her into bring more strict with the dog. I forgot to mention that, that the dog is one and a half years old, she got him at about 8 weeks, and yes, she does have a fenced yard (4 feet high), but the dog keeps digging under certain areas and dig get out a couple of times, as well as his constant jumping when he's barking at something such as a squirrel, cat, dog, etc. He can jump as high as the fence, but doesn't quite (yet) know how to thrust himself forward and grab on. I warned her he'll probably figure it out soon, and should get a leash that's got plenty of slack, that if he does jump, he won't go far or hang himself, but she says she's not worried about that now. She may see an empty back yard one of these days. Will something like a dog whistle still help, from inside my bedroom, if I stand near the window. So I don't have to get dressed and go outside every time. Maybe if we train him with the pop can and pennies, he'll still recognize the sound from inside my house, I'm sure he'll hear it if I shake the can hard enough by the window. I'd say he's only about 7 or 8 feet from my bedroom window, and he barks right at it, he knows I'm there. "DK1000" wrote in message ... Hi, I have an elderly widow neighbor who has a min-pin (or mix thereof as it seems a little heavier). I'm very good friends with her, and her dog. The dog loves everyone, including me. If something would happen to my neighbor, a good chance I may be adopting the dog. I would like to know what I can do, training wise, when the dog is let out and he comes to the corner of her yard closest to my house, and right next to my bedroom window. He barks seemingly to get my attention, but will go there and bark as he can see any other activity on the street near my house. So a good alert watchdog I guess. However, I'm a late sleeper due to too many second shift jobs in my life, so what can I do, in a friendly way to dissuade the dog from barking by "my" corner? I was thinking of getting a dog whistle, as I'm sure he can hear that thru the glass window just as good as I can hear his shrill barking? Will that work, or another approach? My neighbor is very loving towards the dog, and she has a hard time controlling the dog barking herself, even if I or someone else comes over, the dog will have a barking fit when people leave, and when it's in her house, it's deafening. Like the dog wants your attention and don't want to see you go. She generally puts him in his cage, when someone is leaving, but again, that shrill loud bark! (He'll bark and jump also if not put in the cage). She has tried a collar that makes a high pitched noise when he barks, as well as a stand alone unit that does something similar, and even turned the collar on the "high" setting. This does not phase the little guy one bit, he'll just keep barking (and jumping!). What can we do to quiet him down? Thanks. -- |
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How to deal with neighbor's dog barking
On Fri, 30 Jun 2006 15:36:16 -0400, "DK1000"
wrote: Thanks everybody for the input so far. I'll try the pennies in a pop can thing, good suggestion. I don't think she'll get professional obedience training, but maybe I can urge her into bring more strict with the dog. Then she, and you, deserve all the problems that will only keep INTENSIFYING in nature. Being "strict" with a dog, without knowing how, will only cause more problems, not less. I forgot to mention that, that the dog is one and a half years old, she got him at about 8 weeks, and yes, she does have a fenced yard (4 feet high), but the dog keeps digging under certain areas and dig get out a couple of times, Practice makes perfect, EH? as well as his constant jumping when he's barking at something such as a squirrel, cat, dog, etc. He can jump as high as the fence, but doesn't quite (yet) know how to thrust himself forward and grab on. I warned her he'll probably figure it out soon, You can bet the freakin' farm on it. and should get a leash that's got plenty of slack, that if he does jump, he won't go far or hang himself, but she says she's not worried about that now. She may see an empty back yard one of these days. If she's really your friend, and you care anything at all about the *dog,* you'll have what I like to call a "Come to Jesus" session with her. ASAP. When this little escape artist finally does figure out how to get out of the yard, you'll never see him again. And because he isn't used to traffic, he'll probably end up under the tire of a Fed-Ex truck. Will something like a dog whistle still help, Only if you know how to use it, and if the dog understands what it means. That's what OBEDIENCE TRAINING can provide. from inside my bedroom, if I stand near the window. So I don't have to get dressed and go outside every time. Maybe if we train him with the pop can and pennies, he'll still recognize the sound from inside my house, I'm sure he'll hear it if I shake the can hard enough by the window. I'd say he's only about 7 or 8 feet from my bedroom window, and he barks right at it, he knows I'm there. Actually, what I'm going do is, I'm going to start praying for your friend's little dog. He deserves a more responsible owner. sigh -- Handsome Jack Morrison |
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How to deal with neighbor's dog barking
Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:
PS: You might want to get yourself a good breed book on the min pin. It'll help to prepare you for what to expect, should you eventually decide to take him. If you're not prepared to OBEDIENCE TRAIN this little dog, you should at last be prepared for years and years of barking, destructiveness. etc., as well as all the fun, affection, etc. Here's what I'm learning about Min Pins. They tend to be territorial, and many bark. They are extremely active and smart little guys and I can sure see where if they were left to their own devices for too long, they would, um, bark. A lot. They also tend to be biters. In fact, my breeder told me that often in the show ring judges don't look hard at the mouth because the little sh*ts bite! Now I happen to own an exceptional, wonderful, super Min Pin. I am totally ga-ga over this little guy. He's quiet in the crate, a bit territorial in his crate or car at shows (we're working on that!) He loves people, loves other dogs, and does NOT bite. Now, how do you imagine *that* happened? |
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How to deal with neighbor's dog barking
My neighbor's is a play biter, sometimes he'll instigate a mock war, he
never bites hard, but likes mock fighting and he mouths you but doesn't clamp hard or anything. He also instigates tug of war, and growls a lot, but never bites people, again just play biting. Only problem he'll instigate tug if you have like long hanging sleeves on your coat, or an area he can grab. I don't mind this if it's one of his toys for that purpose. I have a lot of fun with the little guy. Only problem he always thinks you're playing. If you go to pick him up, many times he'll initiate a play biting session and play hard to pick up as he moves around too much. Once you grab him, he's like a baby, loves to be held, and he's usually very calm then, even falling asleep in your arms. He's also calm if you have to pick him up and carry him (after you get him), seems like he knows better than to start biting and squirming when he's being carried 4 feet or so above the ground. He also weighs about 18 pounds. I read somewhere that min pins only weigh up to 12 pounds. We would like to break him of the habit of jumping on people when they leave, he gets so excited that he nips sometime, but he probably doesn't mean to, just too excited. "Robin Nuttall" wrote in message news:Ybkpg.808020$084.594116@attbi_s22... Handsome Jack Morrison wrote: PS: You might want to get yourself a good breed book on the min pin. It'll help to prepare you for what to expect, should you eventually decide to take him. If you're not prepared to OBEDIENCE TRAIN this little dog, you should at last be prepared for years and years of barking, destructiveness. etc., as well as all the fun, affection, etc. Here's what I'm learning about Min Pins. They tend to be territorial, and many bark. They are extremely active and smart little guys and I can sure see where if they were left to their own devices for too long, they would, um, bark. A lot. They also tend to be biters. In fact, my breeder told me that often in the show ring judges don't look hard at the mouth because the little sh*ts bite! Now I happen to own an exceptional, wonderful, super Min Pin. I am totally ga-ga over this little guy. He's quiet in the crate, a bit territorial in his crate or car at shows (we're working on that!) He loves people, loves other dogs, and does NOT bite. Now, how do you imagine *that* happened? |
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How to deal with neighbor's dog barking
I brought a can with pennies over there, and my neighbor says she tried that
when the dog was a puppy and it didn't work. When I tried it a few times yesterday, it made him bark more, he must think I want to play. I don't think my neighbor will shell out for obedience training, she's 80 yrs old and on a fixed income. What I'm really worried about is the dog tripping her, he's done it before, as he's so packed with energy. And she lives alone. He's a solid 18 pound muscle, so probably heavier than most min pins, and about a year and a half old. My neighbor will sit on her front steps sometimes with the dog on about a 12 foot chain on a post in the middle of the lawn, just short of him reaching the sidewalk, but he can come to us on the porch. Last summer one night, good thing I came outside, as the dog wrapped his chain around her feet when she was going to get him to take him inside for the night. I found her face down in the grass with the dog licking her face. She was lucky - that time -, just badly shaken up. It's not really the right dog for her, but she loves the little guy. He'll chew up important papers in her house, and pull a plate of food off the kitchen table when she gets distracted. Her sister gave her the dog as a puppy as it was so rambunctious, and the sister got a little "Foo Foo" type lap dog. Everybody loves the dog around here, as it's "so cute" they say, and he has a lot of "personality". I always end up playing with the dog, the dog seems to love everybody, even though he likes his play fighting and tug which I posted about elsewhere in this thread. "Rocky" wrote in message ... "Michelle" said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior: Take a tin can (pop can) and put a few pennies in it. When the dog starts to bark shake the can - but don't let him see you do it. It will startle the dog and he will stop barking. When he stops barking offer him a treat. Make sure you shake it loudly and that he doesn't see you do it. Do it each time he has a barking fit. Evenutally he will associate his barking with the loud noise and will stop barking. Reward his good behaviour with treats. Dogs learn from positive reinforcement. They also learn from a combination of punishment and reinforcement - which is what you've described in your shake can advice. -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. |
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How to deal with neighbor's dog barking
"DK1000" said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior: I brought a can with pennies over there, and my neighbor says she tried that when the dog was a puppy and it didn't work. When I tried it a few times yesterday, it made him bark more, he must think I want to play. Yes, that's one of the problems with poorly timed or inappropriate distractions - they can easily increase the behaviour. One dog's "penny can distraction" is another dog's "scary sound from hell" or yet another dog's "cool, a new toy." For what it's worth, I consider a penny can a fairly harsh form of distraction, even when used properly - appropriate mainly for extremely even-temperament dogs after better distractions have failed. I don't think my neighbor will shell out for obedience training, she's 80 yrs old and on a fixed income. What about if you split the cost and *you* take the dog to class? You both need some hands-on feedback. Shelters, rescues, and municipal animal services departments often offer very good and inexpensive obedience courses. -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. |
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How to deal with neighbor's dog barking
On Sat, 01 Jul 2006 01:27:20 GMT, Robin Nuttall
wrote: [] Now I happen to own an exceptional, wonderful, super Min Pin. I am totally ga-ga over this little guy. He's quiet in the crate, a bit territorial in his crate or car at shows (we're working on that!) He loves people, loves other dogs, and does NOT bite. Now, how do you imagine *that* happened? Robin, let me guess. He has an owner with a clue? One who provides him with exercise, obedience training, activities, etc? Is that about right? Unfortunately, Tuck's owner is clueless, and Tuck's future is going to be grim, IMO. -- Handsome Jack Morrison |
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