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Old August 7th 06, 05:29 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Robin Lynn Frank
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Our older dog is 4-1/2 year old neutered male Golden Retriever mix. He has
been getting rather sedentary and obviously bored. We thought it might be a
good idea to get him a companion. We rescued a 3 month old Border Collie
mix. Her disposition is friendly but not "in your face" and she is
submissive. She wants to be friendly with him, but when ever she
approaches, he either gives her a low rumbling growl or leaves for another
room.

He will bark at her, not only if she plays with any of the toys he never
bothers with, but if she plays with her own toys. The pup has been in the
household for 3 days now. I realize that getting the older dog over his
apparent jealousy can take quite a while. Is there anything we can do to
help that process? We make sure he gets plenty of attention. Suggestions
are welcome.


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Old August 7th 06, 05:49 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Handsome Jack Morrison
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On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:29:40 GMT, "Robin Lynn Frank"
wrote:

Our older dog is 4-1/2 year old neutered male Golden Retriever mix. He has
been getting rather sedentary and obviously bored.


Question: Why did you allow him to become sedentary and bored?

We thought it might be a
good idea to get him a companion.


Question: Are you sure that you're not the one who wanted the
"companion"?

We rescued a 3 month old Border Collie
mix. Her disposition is friendly but not "in your face" and she is
submissive. She wants to be friendly with him, but when ever she
approaches, he either gives her a low rumbling growl or leaves for another
room.


Question: Why didn't you find out how your GR would receive the new
dog before you actually got her?

Question: How does your GR generally react to other dogs?

Question: Did you ever try to find out?

He will bark at her, not only if she plays with any of the toys he never
bothers with, but if she plays with her own toys.


Question: What do you do when he barks at her?

The pup has been in the
household for 3 days now. I realize that getting the older dog over his
apparent jealousy can take quite a while.


Question: Are you known for your patience?

Is there anything we can do to
help that process? We make sure he gets plenty of attention.


Question: Do you think it might have made him less sedentary and bored
if you had given him a lot of attention beforehand?

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It's over an hour long, so make some popcorn, crack open a beer, and take a good, hard look at what's coming.

Or...you can keep your head stuck in the sand.
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Old August 7th 06, 08:04 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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"Robin Lynn Frank" wrote in message
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Our older dog is 4-1/2 year old neutered male Golden Retriever mix. He

has
been getting rather sedentary and obviously bored. We thought it might be

a
good idea to get him a companion. We rescued a 3 month old Border Collie
mix. Her disposition is friendly but not "in your face" and she is
submissive. She wants to be friendly with him, but when ever she
approaches, he either gives her a low rumbling growl or leaves for another
room.

He will bark at her, not only if she plays with any of the toys he never
bothers with, but if she plays with her own toys. The pup has been in the
household for 3 days now. I realize that getting the older dog over his
apparent jealousy can take quite a while. Is there anything we can do to
help that process? We make sure he gets plenty of attention. Suggestions
are welcome.

===========================
Maybe if you are unable to find the time to walk your golden, you should
hire someone to do it. It sounds as though the dog is very bored. The
breed, Border Collie, is very active and must be exercised a lot or they
will drive you crazy; possibly training the dogs, expecially the collie, to
fetch a ball or frisbee would help.
You have to be very careful when introducing a new dog to your family dog,
especially a young dog to an older dog; I don't consider 4-1/2 old though.
They should be introduced for the first time in a neutral area; not your
retriever's domain. That is his home; his toys; his family and he most
likely does not wish to share them with a pain-in-the-neck intruder pup. I
would keep them in separate areas of the yard and house for about a week,
where they can see each other and smell each other. I know of a family who
had an old golden retriever, who almost killed a sheltie pup that the family
had bought. The golden otherwise did not have a mean bone in its body, but
when the owner was not looking the old dog attacked the puppy, so they had
to sell the sheltie to another family. In my case, I had an old Chow Chow
who never bothered anyone, but was not afraid of anyone or any dog. I
adoped my previous Rottie who was very tough. My Chow was a male; she was a
female and she did not like all dogs as well as being female dominant. I
introduced the two near each other in a neutral territory. Then I kept the
Rottie in a fenced in area inside my fenced in yard. Finally we let them
out together after a week, and the Rottie was smart enough to know not to
push the Chow around; she had respect for the old Chow. The Chow at that
time was 13 years old and barely able to stand. I think this is a nice
story about the two of them. They never played together, and the Rottie
gave the Chow his space; they did nothing together and she kept an eye on
the Chow at all times. One day I heard a loud WOOF then another WOOF.
Anyone that knows Rotties knows they only bark for a reason; they are very
quiet dogs. I looked out in the yard to see the Rottie looking back up at
me; she was sitting right next to the Chow who had fallen spread eagle on
the ice in the yard and could not get up. The Rottie actually was calling
me to help him. That happened twice another day also; both times the Rottie
called me to help the Chow. That was near the end of the Chow's life; we
only had him about a month more after that. But I have never gotten over
the respect the Rottie had for the senior Chow Chow. It was extremely
moving. The Rottie was 5 years old at that time. She also has since passed
from cancer, and I now have another Rottie age 4, whom I adoped 2 years ago.



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Old August 7th 06, 08:43 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Robin Lynn Frank
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"Handsome Jack Morrison" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:29:40 GMT, "Robin Lynn Frank"
wrote:

Our older dog is 4-1/2 year old neutered male Golden Retriever mix. He
has
been getting rather sedentary and obviously bored.


Question: Why did you allow him to become sedentary and bored?

snip
Question: If you don't have an answer, why did you bother to reply?

Question: What is the point of politicizing a newsgroup supposedly devoted
to dog behavior?


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Old August 7th 06, 08:45 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.breeds,rec.pets.dogs.health,alt.animals.dog,rec.pets.dogs.rescue,rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Robin Lynn Frank
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HOWEDY Robin Lynn Frank,

Nice handle.

I'm Jerry Howe, The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard {) ; ~ )

I think you've been off your meds too long to provide any information of
value. Thanks anyway.


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Old August 7th 06, 08:52 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Janet B
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On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:43:43 GMT, "Robin Lynn Frank"
, clicked their heels and said:

Question: If you don't have an answer, why did you bother to reply?


HJM means well, and he's trying to figure out why your dog has gotten
to this point. Elaborating, what do you do with your dog?
Socialization? Training? Outings? Life?

Dogs who are understimulated can easily become rugs instead of
thriving animals. They tend to shut off the skills that are useful in
living with other animals and people.

I think he asked good questions when asking if your dog has canine
friends, likes other dogs, is comfortable with them, etc. getting a
new dog FOR your dog is never a good idea. Knowing your dog would
love a companion and you wanting another companion to ADD to the
things you do with your current dog, would be something good.

A for instance - several years ago, when I had just one dog (a
Golden), we went to training classes, a park every day, cared for
other dogs in our home. He enjoyed having another dog in his home and
I enjoyed doing things with my dog and knew I had time and energy to
do things with another one as well. The second dog, while enriching
for my Golden's life, was not to solve a problem, but to enhance our
already pleasant canine-humans life.

A decision to get another dog should be when you have time for two,
not because you don't have time for one. We may be off the mark
assuming that, but that's what HJM (and myself) are trying to find
out. I would have worked on dog #1 first, and only gotten a companion
if all indicators pointed that as a nice addition.

Question: What is the point of politicizing a newsgroup supposedly devoted
to dog behavior?


THAT, I stay out of ;-D

--
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Old August 7th 06, 08:58 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Handsome Jack Morrison
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On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 19:43:43 GMT, "Robin Lynn Frank"
wrote:

"Handsome Jack Morrison" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 16:29:40 GMT, "Robin Lynn Frank"
wrote:

Our older dog is 4-1/2 year old neutered male Golden Retriever mix. He
has
been getting rather sedentary and obviously bored.


Question: Why did you allow him to become sedentary and bored?

snip
Question: If you don't have an answer, why did you bother to reply?


Question: What is it about answering questions that you don't enjoy?

Question: Have you ever been arrested?

Question: Do you always have trouble finding clues?

Question: When, say, your veterinarian (insert the name of the expert
of your choice here) asks you questions, do you normally:

a. throw rocks at him?
b. ask him stupid questions in response?
c. ask him why he's asking you so many questions?
d. answer them?

Question: If your answer isn't "d," how have you managed to survive
for this long?

Question: You're a lucky guy, aren't you?

Question: What is the point of politicizing a newsgroup supposedly devoted
to dog behavior?


Question: What is it about the First Amendment that pisses you off so
much?

Question: Are you, too, a proud member of the "reality based
community"?

Question: Do you live in Indiana?

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

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Reuters admits altering Beirut photo!
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...286966,00.html

Hezbollah is using the UN as its bitch.
http://jameshudnall.com/blog.php?/we..._un_is_a_joke/

The Brink of Madness. A familiar place.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...Q4OWMzNDhmMzk=

Obsession: Radical Islam’s War with the West (a must-see movie!):
http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/

If you don't want your own DVD, you can view the movie he
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...78181614&hl=en

It's over an hour long, so make some popcorn, crack open a beer, and take a good, hard look at what's coming.

Or...you can keep your head stuck in the sand.
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Old August 7th 06, 09:03 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
Handsome Jack Morrison
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On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 15:52:11 -0400, Janet B
wrote:

[...]
HJM means well


Not necessarily...

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

Hezbollah Video Dating Service:
http://www.adammutterperl.com/video/hezbollah.mov

Norwegian Author: "Israel Is History"
http://ace.mu.nu/archives/189524.php

Reuters admits altering Beirut photo!
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...286966,00.html

Hezbollah is using the UN as its bitch.
http://jameshudnall.com/blog.php?/we..._un_is_a_joke/

The Brink of Madness. A familiar place.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...Q4OWMzNDhmMzk=

Obsession: Radical Islam’s War with the West (a must-see movie!):
http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/

If you don't want your own DVD, you can view the movie he
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...78181614&hl=en

It's over an hour long, so make some popcorn, crack open a beer, and take a good, hard look at what's coming.

Or...you can keep your head stuck in the sand.
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Old August 7th 06, 09:47 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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"Janet B" wrote in message
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A decision to get another dog should be when you have time for two,
not because you don't have time for one.


This right here is the best and most succinct way I've ever heard this put.
And, its exactly what I was thinking when I read the original post.

I take care of a 4.5 year old Golden that I've known since he was 9 weeks
old. Of all the things this dog is, sedentary would NOT be one of them. Not
that he's hyper (thank dawg that's been over for years), and he has
developed into a fairly mellow dog. But that mellowness is accentuated with
at least one set of extended ball playing in the park, and one walk that's
at least an hour long. The rest of his outside time varies and often
revolves around potty breaks. Any less socialization, training and exercise
and he would have turned into a lump on the couch ages ago. As it stands
now, he's a spectacular dog.

Tara


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Old August 7th 06, 09:57 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.behavior
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Robin Lynn Frank wrote:

Question: If you don't have an answer, why did you bother to reply?

Question: What is the point of politicizing a newsgroup supposedly devoted
to dog behavior?


LOL, you might just fit in around here.

I am by no means knowledgeable about interdog relationships,
introducing new dogs, and stuff like that, but I do have one
suggestion for the problems affecting your older dog: more
structure.

You say he receives plenty of attention. You don't say what kind,
and I could be totally off base, but he might act less bored,
sedentary, and jealous if he got more mental and physical
challenge. If you don't take him out for walks, that's an
activity most dogs seem to really enjoy and benefit from.
Training is another. Training sessions can be very short,
5-10 minutes, but dogs with aptitude (and Goldens are in
that category) really seem to get a lot of benefit from the
focused attention and the greater communication they get
during training.

Special games, ball-playing sessions, hide-and-seek games,
and so forth can also improve quality of life and exercise level.
Probably the greatest benefit would be if he had a session
regularly at a set time of day, by himself (without the other
dog).

Something to try.

Amy Dahl

 




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