I love my pup but nothing is working bringing him out after meals, after
playtime and going for walks. I have put on a schedule and let him play out
in playpen and as soon as I put him in the crate he does his duties. I have
placed soiled scotowles with his urine and feces in a spot in the yard but
to no avail. What am I doing wrong?
l

In article fdpFg.16$Bu2.3@trndny02,
janet hodson wrote:
What am I doing wrong?

Letting him mess in his crate. Don't do that. I wasn't
kidding about setting aside a day dedicated to teaching him
to poop outside, and not putting him in his crate until he's
done it.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Bad policies lead to bad results.

"janet hodson" wrote in message:

What am I doing wrong?

Mostly, being impatient. You have something like 2 months worth of
ingrained habit to undo, and it is not going to happen overnight. As others
have said, your dog has been trained to go in the crate. Unless you want
your dog to eliminate in the crate (if you're litterbox training, you could
put it in there, I suppose), do not use a crate for him. For him, it is
*the* place for pooping/peeing.

If you have him on a schedule, you have some idea of when he is going to
eliminate. Take him out. If he doesn't, bring him back in, keep him
tethered to you or otherwise contain him somewhere where you can see him,
and watch out for signals that he wants to go. As soon as he shows signs of
wanting to relieve himself, rush him outside. If he does go, throw a party,
pet, praise, give him a treat, whatever makes him happy, and lets him know
that he's done good. If he doesn't go, bring him back inside and try again.

If he starts to go inside, interrupt him, take him out, and let him finish
up outside. Toilet training this dog is going to take vigilance,
consistency and time.

Suja

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 20:15:07 GMT, "janet hodson"
wrote:

I love my pup but nothing is working bringing him out after meals, after
playtime and going for walks. I have put on a schedule and let him play out
in playpen and as soon as I put him in the crate he does his duties. I have
placed soiled scotowles with his urine and feces in a spot in the yard but
to no avail. What am I doing wrong?

Have you had a chance to take a day of holding him and only letting
him down when he is outside? He thinks he is being such a good boy by
going just where he was trained to. I'd take him off your hands in a
minute. He will be a great dog once you can set up a time to let him
know that outside is okay, too. But you are going to have to make it
so he can't possibly go unless he is outside and that means being out
there with him all day if that's what it takes or holding him if he
needs to be indoors so he can't go and will need to go when you take
him out.


--
Paula
"Anyway, other people are weird, but sometimes they have candy,
so it's best to try to get along with them." Joe Bay

I understand what everyone is saying but when I am cooking or taking a
shower I can't have him tetherred to me and I have no other way to make sure
that he doesn't hurt himself other than putting him in the crate.
"Paula" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 20:15:07 GMT, "janet hodson"
wrote:

I love my pup but nothing is working bringing him out after meals, after
playtime and going for walks. I have put on a schedule and let him play
out
in playpen and as soon as I put him in the crate he does his duties. I
have
placed soiled scotowles with his urine and feces in a spot in the yard but
to no avail. What am I doing wrong?

Have you had a chance to take a day of holding him and only letting
him down when he is outside? He thinks he is being such a good boy by
going just where he was trained to. I'd take him off your hands in a
minute. He will be a great dog once you can set up a time to let him
know that outside is okay, too. But you are going to have to make it
so he can't possibly go unless he is outside and that means being out
there with him all day if that's what it takes or holding him if he
needs to be indoors so he can't go and will need to go when you take
him out.


--
Paula
"Anyway, other people are weird, but sometimes they have candy,
so it's best to try to get along with them." Joe Bay

In article 9OqFg.2516$Vo.568@trndny09,
janet hodson wrote:
I understand what everyone is saying but when I am cooking or taking a
shower I can't have him tetherred to me

You can when you're cooking (or for one day you can forgo
proper meal preparation and either eat nukular food or
prepared food). You can also skip a shower until he poops.
I've done this, and while you may have to wait until
afternoon to give yourself a proper scrubbing, being a
little stanky for a few hours isn't going to kill you.
The tradeoff is: inconvenience for a day (probably 1/2 day)
OR a dog that isn't housetrained.
--
Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis -

Bad policies lead to bad results.

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:02:45 GMT, "janet hodson"
wrote:

I understand what everyone is saying but when I am cooking or taking a
shower I can't have him tetherred to me and I have no other way to make sure
that he doesn't hurt himself other than putting him in the crate.

Why can't you put him *outside* then? Say, inside an X-pen? Where the
*only* place he could "go" while you were showering, cooking, etc.,
would be on the grass?

In fact, you should think about staying outside with him as much as
possible right now, so that he has no choice but to start "going" on
the grass. Yes, even all day long, if possible. If you can't stay out
there with him all day, put him somewhere (in the X-pen, for example)
where you can see him from inside the house and then go about your
chores.

Until he becomes as classically conditioned to "going" on grass as he
already is to "going" in his crate, you're not going to make any
progress.

None. Nada. Zilch. Zero.

So I'm going to repeat what I told you after your very first post: The
crate is your enemy right now. Stop using it!

That is, you've *got* to get him to start "going" on grass, period.

Use *your* brain to figure out other ways to make that happen, too.

That's what it's for, isn't it?

I don't want to hear anymore excuses from you about why you can't do
this and you can't do that. It's getting old.

You managed to get yourself into this mess, and now it's up to you to
get yourself out. You've been given a lot of good advice already, now
stop whining and get with the freakin' program!


"Paula" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 20:15:07 GMT, "janet hodson"
wrote:

I love my pup but nothing is working bringing him out after meals, after
playtime and going for walks. I have put on a schedule and let him play
out
in playpen and as soon as I put him in the crate he does his duties. I
have
placed soiled scotowles with his urine and feces in a spot in the yard but
to no avail. What am I doing wrong?

Have you had a chance to take a day of holding him and only letting
him down when he is outside? He thinks he is being such a good boy by
going just where he was trained to. I'd take him off your hands in a
minute. He will be a great dog once you can set up a time to let him
know that outside is okay, too. But you are going to have to make it
so he can't possibly go unless he is outside and that means being out
there with him all day if that's what it takes or holding him if he
needs to be indoors so he can't go and will need to go when you take
him out.

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

If only Bush wasn't president, this sort of thing would never happen:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/italy/stor...851875,00.html
France to send cooks, can-can dancers, and mimes to augment UN forces in Lebanon, but no actual soldiers!
http://www.wtkr.com/Global/story.asp?S=5290403&nav=0oa8
Who's next?
http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/1...-months-later/
Corruption of faith?
http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...rticle_id=5764
Why diplomacy is almost always a sham:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...Lebano n&only
There will be no "peaceful solution":
http://www.dailypundit.com/2006/08/r...le_thing_1.php
Do you know what happens when bad behavior is reinforced and rewarded?
http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2006/08...-disaster.html
Five Minutes to Midnight:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/pos...Y0M2ZiMGFkNGI=
Let the Jews Die:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=23822
Well, *this* certainly isn't good news:
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash4.htm
The Brink of Madness. A familiar place.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...Q4OWMzNDhmMzk=
Obsession: Radical Islam’s War with the West (a must-see movie!):
http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/

I don't need your negative advice but I do want to thank everyone else for
the kind thoughts anda dvice and guess what it finally payed off. I stayed
outdoors with him for 45 minutes and he finally defecated in the grass.
Maybe the beginning. Thanks again.
"Handsome Jack Morrison" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:02:45 GMT, "janet hodson"
wrote:

I understand what everyone is saying but when I am cooking or taking a
shower I can't have him tetherred to me and I have no other way to make
sure
that he doesn't hurt himself other than putting him in the crate.

Why can't you put him *outside* then? Say, inside an X-pen? Where the
*only* place he could "go" while you were showering, cooking, etc.,
would be on the grass?

In fact, you should think about staying outside with him as much as
possible right now, so that he has no choice but to start "going" on
the grass. Yes, even all day long, if possible. If you can't stay out
there with him all day, put him somewhere (in the X-pen, for example)
where you can see him from inside the house and then go about your
chores.

Until he becomes as classically conditioned to "going" on grass as he
already is to "going" in his crate, you're not going to make any
progress.

None. Nada. Zilch. Zero.

So I'm going to repeat what I told you after your very first post: The
crate is your enemy right now. Stop using it!

That is, you've *got* to get him to start "going" on grass, period.

Use *your* brain to figure out other ways to make that happen, too.

That's what it's for, isn't it?

I don't want to hear anymore excuses from you about why you can't do
this and you can't do that. It's getting old.

You managed to get yourself into this mess, and now it's up to you to
get yourself out. You've been given a lot of good advice already, now
stop whining and get with the freakin' program!


"Paula" wrote in message
. ..
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 20:15:07 GMT, "janet hodson"
wrote:

I love my pup but nothing is working bringing him out after meals, after
playtime and going for walks. I have put on a schedule and let him play
out
in playpen and as soon as I put him in the crate he does his duties. I
have
placed soiled scotowles with his urine and feces in a spot in the yard
but
to no avail. What am I doing wrong?

Have you had a chance to take a day of holding him and only letting
him down when he is outside? He thinks he is being such a good boy by
going just where he was trained to. I'd take him off your hands in a
minute. He will be a great dog once you can set up a time to let him
know that outside is okay, too. But you are going to have to make it
so he can't possibly go unless he is outside and that means being out
there with him all day if that's what it takes or holding him if he
needs to be indoors so he can't go and will need to go when you take
him out.

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

If only Bush wasn't president, this sort of thing would never happen:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/italy/stor...851875,00.html
France to send cooks, can-can dancers, and mimes to augment UN forces in
Lebanon, but no actual soldiers!
http://www.wtkr.com/Global/story.asp?S=5290403&nav=0oa8
Who's next?
http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/1...-months-later/
Corruption of faith?
http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...rticle_id=5764
Why diplomacy is almost always a sham:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...Lebano n&only
There will be no "peaceful solution":
http://www.dailypundit.com/2006/08/r...le_thing_1.php
Do you know what happens when bad behavior is reinforced and rewarded?
http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2006/08...-disaster.html
Five Minutes to Midnight:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/pos...Y0M2ZiMGFkNGI=
Let the Jews Die:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=23822
Well, *this* certainly isn't good news:
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash4.htm
The Brink of Madness. A familiar place.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...Q4OWMzNDhmMzk=
Obsession: Radical Islam's War with the West (a must-see movie!):
http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:53:21 GMT, "janet hodson"
wrote:

I don't need your negative advice

Apparently you did. And it worked, didn't it?

but I do want to thank everyone else for
the kind thoughts anda dvice and guess what it finally payed off. I stayed
outdoors with him for 45 minutes and he finally defecated in the grass.

And if you'd done what you were asked to do, oh, about a week or so
ago, you could have saved yourself a lot of aggravation.

Maybe the beginning.

Not unless you follow through and keep at it.

Just ONE MISTAKE will set you back to Square One.

I repeat: ONE MISTAKE!

Spend as much time as you can outside with your dog, praise him
profusely whenever he "goes" in the grass, and totally forget where
you put that crate (for at last a few months). And never, ever let him
out of your sight when you're inside.

"Handsome Jack Morrison" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:02:45 GMT, "janet hodson"
wrote:

I understand what everyone is saying but when I am cooking or taking a
shower I can't have him tetherred to me and I have no other way to make
sure
that he doesn't hurt himself other than putting him in the crate.

Why can't you put him *outside* then? Say, inside an X-pen? Where the
*only* place he could "go" while you were showering, cooking, etc.,
would be on the grass?

In fact, you should think about staying outside with him as much as
possible right now, so that he has no choice but to start "going" on
the grass. Yes, even all day long, if possible. If you can't stay out
there with him all day, put him somewhere (in the X-pen, for example)
where you can see him from inside the house and then go about your
chores.

Until he becomes as classically conditioned to "going" on grass as he
already is to "going" in his crate, you're not going to make any
progress.

None. Nada. Zilch. Zero.

So I'm going to repeat what I told you after your very first post: The
crate is your enemy right now. Stop using it!

That is, you've *got* to get him to start "going" on grass, period.

Use *your* brain to figure out other ways to make that happen, too.

That's what it's for, isn't it?

I don't want to hear anymore excuses from you about why you can't do
this and you can't do that. It's getting old.

You managed to get yourself into this mess, and now it's up to you to
get yourself out. You've been given a lot of good advice already, now
stop whining and get with the freakin' program!
[...]

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

If only Bush wasn't president, this sort of thing would never happen:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/italy/stor...851875,00.html
France to send cooks, can-can dancers, and mimes to augment UN forces in Lebanon, but no actual soldiers!
http://www.wtkr.com/Global/story.asp?S=5290403&nav=0oa8
Who's next?
http://hotair.com/archives/2006/08/1...-months-later/
Corruption of faith?
http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...rticle_id=5764
Why diplomacy is almost always a sham:
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/webl...Lebano n&only
There will be no "peaceful solution":
http://www.dailypundit.com/2006/08/r...le_thing_1.php
Do you know what happens when bad behavior is reinforced and rewarded?
http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2006/08...-disaster.html
Five Minutes to Midnight:
http://corner.nationalreview.com/pos...Y0M2ZiMGFkNGI=
Let the Jews Die:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles...e.asp?ID=23822
Well, *this* certainly isn't good news:
http://www.drudgereport.com/flash4.htm
The Brink of Madness. A familiar place.
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...Q4OWMzNDhmMzk=
Obsession: Radical Islam’s War with the West (a must-see movie!):
http://www.obsessionthemovie.com/

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 22:02:45 GMT, "janet hodson"
wrote:

I understand what everyone is saying but when I am cooking or taking a
shower I can't have him tetherred to me and I have no other way to make sure
that he doesn't hurt himself other than putting him in the crate.

Can you enlist help? If there are any kids in your neighborhood, I am
sure they would be more than happy to play with your puppy while you
get a few things done. I've never met a kid who wouldn't gladly sit
on the couch holding and petting a toy breed puppy while you cook or
take a shower. It is a royal pain to untrain something that has been
so strongly trained in, but once you have a breakthrough, you're in!

I still am not sure why you don't just go with the crate pooping while
he's indoors, though, since you originally wanted a dog that was
litter box trained. You can just use an x-pen instead of a crate for
confining him and when he works up to free run of the house, just
leave the crate as his potty.

--
Paula
"Anyway, other people are weird, but sometimes they have candy,
so it's best to try to get along with them." Joe Bay