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Old August 25th 06, 03:30 PM posted to sci.med,rec.pets.dogs.health
Nehmo
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Default Euthanizing dogs by pumping air into their veins?

Is this a method of killing a dog? As I understand, a needle is
inserted in a vein, and air is pumped in, by an aquarium pump perhaps.
The heart stops. Do vets use this method? Is it painless for the dog?
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Old August 26th 06, 12:10 AM posted to sci.med,rec.pets.dogs.health
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Default Euthanizing dogs by pumping air into their veins?


"Nehmo" wrote in message
ups.com...
Is this a method of killing a dog? As I understand, a needle is
inserted in a vein, and air is pumped in, by an aquarium pump perhaps.
The heart stops. Do vets use this method? Is it painless for the dog?


..............Never heard of it as a method of euthanasia. It's an air
embolism. The heart stops because the blood flow is stopped as the air is
stuck in the small blood vessels in the lungs.

California says it's not an acceptable method of euthansia for horses:
http://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/vetext...TH-HORSES.HTML

University of Missouri:
http://oar.missouri.edu/oar/insideoa...umaneACU12.htm
*Air embolism - inhumane and unacceptable except in the anesthetized
animal;*

Rutgers considers it acceptable only in anesthetized animals:
http://las.rutgers.edu/manual/ch10.htm#I

Most of the sites I read consider it unacceptable except in anesthetized
animals. And if you have anesthetic available an overdose of that would
work just as well. Unless you don't have enough and it's some kind of
emergency and you're out in the boonies.

buglady
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Old August 26th 06, 06:02 AM posted to sci.med,rec.pets.dogs.health
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Default Euthanizing dogs by pumping air into their veins?

"Nehmo" wrote:
Is this a method of killing a dog? As I understand, a needle is
inserted in a vein, and air is pumped in, by an aquarium pump perhaps.
The heart stops. Do vets use this method? Is it painless for the dog?
--
(||) Nehmo (||)


Should humans who advocate this try it out on themselves first?


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Old August 27th 06, 06:56 PM posted to sci.med,rec.pets.dogs.health,alt.animals.dog,alt.med.veterinary,rec.pets.dogs.breeds
Knut J Bjuland
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Default Euthanizing dogs by pumping air into their veins?

Why bother is is much easier to use pentorbital and better and
Medetomidin and Butorphanol for premeditation. You have to use at least
10 l air to kill a horse. It is unethical and it much better to use an
lethal injection after premeditation. It as least what I am taught to
use with euthanasia on dogs.

wrote:
HOWEDY diddler you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin
mental case,

diddy wrote:
in thread ups.com:
"Nehmo" whittled the following words:

Is this a method of killing a dog? As I understand, a needle is
inserted in a vein, and air is pumped in, by an aquarium pump perhaps.
The heart stops. Do vets use this method? Is it painless for the dog?


Probably not as PAINLESS as BLUDGEONING or shootin it as diddler
prefers:

From: diddy )
Subject: Dog Shot,
Neighbor Charged, Anchorage AK

Date: 2002-11-08 07:00:27 PST

(and if the dog was penned quietly outside, what
was it doing in his yard?)

I shot a neighbors dog one night for chasing my
horses and called him to help me find it. I would
do the same for threatening my dog.

My husband shot a dog that had been tearing up
trash up and down our road for years making an
unbelievable mess.

When we finally killed the culprit, the whole road
cheered. Animal control had never been able in
years to catch this critter. (we think it was feral it
was certainly unkempt enough to have been....
and it had been shot at by MANY of the neighbors,
but it never frightened it off enough to keep it from
NOT tearing up the road the next trash day)

---------------------------------

But then again, sometimes there ain't nuthin left to FINISH MURDERIN
when a critter's been in diddler's strangle / leg hold trap {} : ~ (
:


DIDDY ON CATS (shoot, don't trap)

From: diddy )
Subject: Fur Auction Ohio State Trappers
Association Xenia
Ohio Feb 15 2002
Newsgroups: alt.animals.furtrapping
Date: 2002-02-16 12:06:21 PST

If I can get him away from the Olympics, I'll have
him answer that. He doesn't know how to change the
identity on the computer, so if "I" answer this
post... it's really Jeff. And no.... we went to
watch.

He sold nothing. btw.. are these "CATS" feral
domestic cats? (sorry not familiar with Oklahoma) (I
just shoot the DSH cats. Jeff caught a couple cats
last summer while nuisance trapping an orchard,
but it wasn't intentional) -- diddy

BUT IF YOU DO TRAP, DO IT RIGHT (The cat went
nuts....they weren't supposed to go ape, to get
themselves in this situation).

-------------------------------------


BTW, The Bends ( a very painful condition known to divers and mountain
climbers) is simply air bubbles in theveins. A mountain climber died of the
bends just last week.


No it ain't diddler, you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal
murderin ignorameHOWES:

"Since 80% of the air we breathe is nitrogen, our blood is full of
dissolved nitrogen.
The bends happens when the pressure on a person is lowered quickly.
Suddenly
at lower pressure, the blood can no longer hold all the nitrogen it's
holding, so
some of the nitrogen comes out of the blood as little bubbles. These
bubbles can
block the capillaries in the body and stop the flow of blood, which is
why the bends
are so dangerous."

Talkin abHOWET dangerHOWES, eh diddler?:



All the "awful"-ness was caused by diddy. Just as all
the awfulness of the blood coming out of Reka's rectum
was caused by diddy and her INSANE need to prevent
her dog with "getting away" with anything (such as telling
diddy she was deathly ill).

Only she led you to believe that she was the hero.

Kind2dogs wrote:

That's fine. I like to hear all different opinions.
Now about that rescues dog doing such, how
long was he alone for,to do such destruction?


diddy wrote:

I think 4 hours or so, I had put him in a supposedly
"Secure" place, while I had to leave. When I got
home, he had trashed my house. From then on,
when I left, he got put in the horse stall.

He trashed my horse stall.

He then got a new horse stall, wore a E-collar,
I electrified the perimeter of the stall and we
were finally able to contain him while we worked
on his escape problems.

Once he learned that I was more determined to
defeat him, he finally subdued. But escaping, to
him was a game.

Both of us had a throughly miserable time during
the stand off. The dog is actually now a very good
citizen. He just had to meet someone more determined,
and stubborn and willing to go the distance to do what it
took, before he would stop

Like I said, I thought he and I were going
to grow old together.

I am not going to go into exactly where we
went before we got that accomplished.

Let's just say it was "ugly"

---------------------------


Did you offer a PRAYER when your dogs MURDERED the
veterinarian's office kitty kat you was BORROWIN
for your retarded kid's class on RESPONSIBLE HANDLING?:

From: diddy )
Subject: What would you do in this situation?
Date: 2002-05-31 14:49:22 PST

Actually, I borrowed the vets office kitten once for
a couple days for school education on pet care
and safe handling as well as responsible pet
ownership.

I kept the kitten over night in a crate within a
crate and yet my dog (yes, Angelic Danny, as well
as Taya and Toby tore that kittne to threads from
between the crate bars. (apparently he stuck his
paws through the crate to bat at the dogs.

I was out doing yard work and rushed in to
find the little kittens pieces and parts being
torn through by ALL the dogs.

I called my girl friend to come get my dogs. I
screamed displeasure, and stalked out with the
kitten. Danny, et al spent 3 days in a kennel until
I finally felt like I could interact with them
without doing bodily harm.

All three dogs were never touched, but knew
they had done something so unspeakable that
I wouldn't associate with them and they got
banished.

To this day, Taya (mom and Dad's dog) and
Danny will not look at a cat. When confronted
with one, Danny wees himself and cowers hiding
behind me for help.

I'm not saying this would work this way with all
dogs, But mom and dad now have a house cat, and she
has never been harmed by any of the dogs. Danny is
there all the time, unsupervised, and has no
interest in harming the cat.



Did you EAT that DEAD DOG you MURDERED for tryin to
steal GARBAGE, diddler? Do you EAT those DEAD KATS
you MURDER for PLEASURE on accHOWENT of YOU HATE KATS?:

From: diddy
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 10:03:57 -0400
Subject: News from the world of dog
Lushious Lugs wrote:

Our Diddy is a particularly passionate dog lover, ex breeder
and rescuer ~ she's crazy for the furry fiends ~ take it as
a compliment.


Actually I apologize. I do hate wicked outbursts like that.
Especially on ADD. I saw her attacking Dianna, and my passions
got the better of me.

I only compromised myself, and I am sorry.

Regarding animals. I love Dogs. I'm crazy about dogs. But I hate
cats. So please exclude me from the furry friends blanket and move
me over to the dogs side.

I was bitten by a rabid cat once, and lost a horse also bitten by
another rabid cat. It wasn't the cats fault that it was rabid. It
was the owners fault that they allowed the cat to be unvaccinated
(for one) and that it was allowed off their property. If you like
your cat then you keep them home PROTECTED.

I have no problems with someones housecat when they are IN THEIR
HOUSE and the thing leaves me alone, and I don't see it on tables
and counters and it's not in the middle of whatever you are doing
at the time.

Cats aren't my thing, I hate them.

When I enter a cat owning home, I avoid their cat, but respect their
right to love whatever pet they responsibly care for. As soon as they
throw the cat outside, knowing the perils they subject their cats to,
I then know they do not love that cat as much as they profess.

So please, make no assumptions, that because I love dogs,
I am NOT equally enamored or respectful of cats.

I run an animal damage control trapline every morning (on a legal
animal depredation permit) This morning I caught 3 cats. Two were
immediately dispatched, but one seemed like a owned cat (and the
cat was caught on a property line fence abutting someones yard)

At great peril, I released this cat, who tried to scratch and
bite at every attempt to release it, and finally dodging claws,
I cut her loose.

She immediately came up and started purring. It would have been
much easier and less risky to dispatch this cat also, but I
suspected it was someone's pet.

They never would have known what happened to their cat. If
they cared truly, it would have been kept in the house away
from harm.

I can't say the other two cats this morning were that fortunate.

Nor were the cats the day before. Also there are untold amount of
cats feeding the local coyote population (one of the permit
population reduction target species in the, along with raccoon,
possums and skunks)

Cats are considered feral animals, and because they are not protected
by licenses, and have a huge impact on rabbit populations and song
birds, most farmers kill all cats that are not theirs.

It reduces disease spread into their own cat population.

I encountered a pack of wild dogs. The farmer instructed me
to shoot these dogs on sight. Apparently the neighboring
farmers are also trying to target this feral pack of dogs.

Flame away if you like, but that does not change the REAL fact,
that you are not going to change me, or people like me who target
cats off their property. I am not going to argue right or wrong.

It just IS. That's life. For all your infuriation at the concept
your cat is in danger every time it leaves it's house. It IS in
danger. No arguements. That's just the way it is.

You will never convince me, or anyone else quietly thinning
the cat population otherwise.

-------------------------


Here's diddler at her best. "Let's just say it was UGLY":

"Franticly And Desperately Demanding To Go Out,
I Finally Put Her In The barn, Locked Securely In A
Horse Stall For The Night," diddler

diddy )
Subject: Oh My God

Two nights ago, Reka started acting frantic about 11pm.
I let her out. It's coyote breeding season, and she is
fascinated by them. I assumed she wanted to go out and
listen to them howling. I brought her in, and she spent
the night franticly** and desperately demanding to go out.

After about 4am, I finally put her in the barn, locked
securely in a horse stall for the night.

She came in by morning, and had a normal active, playful
day. Last night, at 11pm, She franticly DEMANDED to go
out. I let her out, and brought her in. At midnight, she
DEMANDED to be let out. I let her out, but I went out
to the barn and got a crate, and decided she could
spend the rest of the night in the crate. We were NOT
going to do a repeat of the previous night AGAIN.

At 3am, she whined so loudly, I then decided not to
allow her to set a precedence of this type of behavior.
So I took her crate out to the heated gun shop and
decided to let her act out her bad behavior in peace,
and send a message that her obnoxious behavior
was not going to be tolerated.

This morning at 6am, I went out, and she had vomited
(normal looking dog food) and defecated in her crate
(not normal for Reka, but then, She normally didn't
sleep in a crate, NEVER gets corrected (she never does
anything to GET corrected for) and was probably nerves
from the outside experience, plus reprimand and solitary
confinement.)

I let her in the house while I cleaned the cage. Hoping
I had made my point. She acted healthy and normal, and
playful and chipper. But then I noticed a spot of blood on
the bathroom linoleum and in the bathtub. I was the last to
take a bath, so I knew REKA was the last in the tub.

That blood didnt come from me, so it HAD to come from
Reka. Thinking about her nearing the end of her heat cycle,
I still didnt think a lot about it. I thought her obnoxious
behavior the past couple nights WAS her heat cycle..
and corresponding coyote breeding season.

Then while feeding her breakfast, I saw the whole story.
She had blood (fresh) streaming from her RECTUM. UhOh.

I had her at the vets office this morning before he
opened. He just said her intestines were all bunched
up with huge air pockets.

Was there any chance that she ate strings of carpets? I
said, last Thursday we took a plastic tarp out of the yard
that we had over the grill to protect it from the weather
because she was chewing it. That would explain
EVERYTHING.

The strings are binding and bunching up her intestines,
cutting her internally and tying her intestines in knots as
it works its way through.

Reka is in a very critical situation. She is going to
require extensive and expensive surgery that I cant
afford. I will manage.

Even with the surgery, her condition will be critical
for awhile. Scary thoughts. I would never have
treated her the way I did last night, if I had even a
clue that she was sick. I feel so badly.
--
diddy

------------------------------------


"diddy" wrote in message
...
in thread :
(Marshall Dermer) whittled the following words:


Sad. Why do we love them so?

Because you will never again in your life
experience so much honor, nobility, honesty,
loyalty, and altruistic caring.and true love.


diddy wrote:

I certainly was NOT going to keep him, Nor was
I going to throw him away. I was going to go the
distance and get him back home (we fixed some
other problems while he was here) He's now a
happy and great dog, although I wasn't so fond
of him when he first came, and although we grew
close, the whole experience was not among my
fondest memories, until the end.

I needed to redirect his energies. He used escape for
entertainment. Once I gave him very many jobs to do,
and taught him LOTS of positive job skills to redirect
his energies. Once he found positive alternatives, he
finally forgot his negative behaviors which were severely
entrenched by the time I got him.

The first 6 months were awful for both of us.

------------------------------*--------------



All the "awful"-ness was caused by diddy. Just as all
the awfulness of the blood coming out of Reka's rectum
was caused by diddy and her INSANE need to prevent
her dog with "getting away" with anything (such as telling
diddy she was deathly ill).

Only she led you to believe that she was the hero.

Kind2dogs wrote:
That's fine. I like to hear all different opinions.
Now about that rescues dog doing such, how
long was he alone for,to do such destruction?


diddy wrote:

I think 4 hours or so, I had put him in a supposedly
"Secure" place, while I had to leave. When I got
home, he had trashed my house. From then on,
when I left, he got put in the horse stall.

He trashed my horse stall.

He then got a new horse stall, wore a E-collar,
I electrified the perimeter of the stall and we
were finally able to contain him while we worked
on his escape problems.

Once he learned that I was more determined to
defeat him, he finally subdued. But escaping, to
him was a game.

Both of us had a throughly miserable time during
the stand off. The dog is actually now a very good
citizen. He just had to meet someone more determined,
and stubborn and willing to go the distance to do what it
took, before he would stop.

Like I said, I thought he and I were going
to grow old together.

I am not going to go into exactly where we
went before we got that accomplished.

Let's just say it was "ugly"

------------------------------



Whoops, Danny And Taya run away from
unsecured yard and imbecile owner.

Will they survive life out in
the wilderness our amongst the coyote traps?

Will they get mistaken for coyotes and sold
to the highest bidder at the fur auction?



Or will they live again to do a help dummy
diddy do a demonstration on safe and
responsible pet ownership in the
kitchen with the vet's office kitten?

Stay tuned, fans...



From: Kathy Levee )
Subject: Off Topic --MISSING DOGS
Date: 1999/04/14

I realize this has absolutely nothing to do with
Disney. Parks, but since those of us on this
newsgroup are from all over the country, I thought
you would understand this one time intrusion. We
are desperate to find these dogs....Please, if you
have any information, contact the e-mail address
at the bottom of the note. Thank you for your
understanding.........

Karyl Parks' (aka diddler) dog Danny - Ch. Alpha's
Decorum (I think that is his correct registered name) is
missing . For those that have never met Danny -
he is very special. Both trained for Search and
Rescue


You'd think the dog could find his
own way back to his HOWES???

as well as service dog trained, CDX, etc.


But IT can't find ITS way back to his own HOWES?

He does all the things that service dogs do


Like run HOWET on his people and not return?

from opening doors, turning on lights, getting
clothes and shoes.


You FORGOT MURDERIN the vet's office kitty kat
and escaping and destructively chewing a rug and
gettin locked in a box in an HOWEtbuilding to muffle
his CRYING till he was SHITTIN BLOOD and went in
for intestinal obstruction.

He is a marvel.


Naaah. You want a MARVEL? Marvel at that
STUPID KAT that PAINICKED when diddler
snared IT in her leg hold STRANGLE / CHOKE
choke trap. She'd have BLUDGEONED IT had
IT not been wearin a collar. Perhaps she was
lookin for a REWARD, bein a SUBSISTANCE
hunter and all.

He is nine years old but does not
show his age - he is about 60 pounds 22 1/2
inches, dark face. By tomorrow I will have a
picture available.

Monday night he was put out to do his business
along with Taya another elkie. At 10:00pm - both
he and Taya were gone from Karyl's yard.

She heard nothing and the gate was open but
opened inward. Danny was neutered in the last
year so is not of any use to anyone for breeding.

Karyl has handed out over 1,200 flyers today -
gone to the schools where Danny was well
known - he did demonstrations, talked to
neighbors and combed the neighborhood.

She lives in farm
country outside Greenville, Ohio.

Danny is a tall elkie - very handsome -
microchipped. I am looking for a picture I took
when he visited here two years ago. He was not
wearing a collar when lost. Karyl will talk to
postal workers, garbage truck drivers, county
road crews, meter readers, tomorrow - has
already contacted law enforcement and shelters.

Please for anyone in the area or who can cross
post this to other lists do it. This dog is Karyl's
life and she can not imagine life without him.

Taya - also an elkhound her parents dog - spayed
female five years old. Small size - I think only
about 18 inches. They could be together or
separate - Taya did have a collar on. Do not
know if she is microchipped.

Karyl's email is

Thank you for your understanding......we're
posting this to every list we are involved with
and pray for their safe return.


Ummm, better RETHINK THAT. Your PAL diddler
is a Satanist or somethin weird like that.

Kathy

==============================*===



You call tying the dog to a wall training, diddler, like
HOWE you trained your fence to train your dog?

diddy wrote:

"I admit our system fails occasionally"

We have a beagle. Before we got our last one, we
knew what to expect and spent a year re-enforcing the fence.


"I admit our system fails occasionally"

What we did.


"I admit our system fails occasionally"

Double fencing, hardware cloth lined on the inside.
Wood ties under gates. A chicken wire apron extending
out into the yard 12 inches. (hog ringed to the upright
fencing). We chose chicken wire because it was flexible
and ground conforming. grass grows right over it, making
it invisible and easy to mow over. It's tacked down by tent
stakes every 10 inches. (this is our most considerable
investment)


"I admit our system fails occasionally"

The problems with it is that it eventually disintegrates,
rusts, pulls apart and need repair a lot. We placed tile
blocks over the top, because the tent stakes stick up,
and sometimes get hit by the lawnmower.


"I admit our system fails occasionally"

Overall, it's a pretty decent system and works
MOST of the time.


"I admit our system fails occasionally"

The beagle is persistent, and tends to work the inner
fencing, that's flimsy down, or tear it, making exit holes.
We recently cut down a couple yard trees that broke down
sections of the fence and they need re-enforcement.


"I admit our system fails occasionally"

When the weather breaks, a whole new fence
is in order, but the system works MOST of the time.


"I admit our system fails occasionally"

We did install an underground perimeter E-fence
at the fence line, and found a single strand 12 inch
high electric cattle fence around the perimeter was
just as effective, cheaper, less bothersome (no need
to wear heavy e-collars.. especially that mess up coats),
but both needed occassional maintenence.


"I admit our system fails occassionally"

What we did.


"I admit our system fails occassionally"

I admit our system fails occassionally, especially
when snow drifts are over the top of the fences
and erase any identifiable fenceline.


"I admit our system fails occassionally"

We installed (BEFORE getting the beagle) a 100
foot trolly line that crosses the yard.


"I admit our system fails occassionally"

This is a safe, effective restraint system that has
always worked when immediate repairs or extra
security is desired.

If I go away and leave the beagle outside. He goes
to the trolly line, whether the containment system
is currently working or not.


"I admit our system fails occassionally"

It's great for emergency situations, and the $17
last resort system gets used for the beagle far
more than I ever expected. It still allows reasonable
exercise range of area and mobility. The elkhounds
and the beagle still play avidly, and it's the cheapest
piece of mind security ever.


"I admit our system fails occassionally"

A trolly tether system is the best for temporary
containment while discovering where the leak
is. In the snow, it's easy to discover the
leak. In the summer, it's more difficult.


"I admit our system fails occassionally"

I do not like, or use our current underground collar system


"I admit our system fails occassionally"

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Old August 29th 06, 09:41 PM posted to sci.med,rec.pets.dogs.health,alt.animals.dog,alt.med.veterinary,rec.pets.dogs.breeds
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Default Euthanizing dogs by pumping air into their veins?

"Knut J Bjuland" a écrit dans le message de news:
...
Why bother is is much easier to use pentorbital and better and
Medetomidin and Butorphanol for premeditation. You have to use at least
10 l air to kill a horse. It is unethical and it much better to use an
lethal injection after premeditation. It as least what I am taught to
use with euthanasia on dogs.
cut



Quoting all the bullsh*t from the mor*n doesn't help...


 




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