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No Cesar Millan here
Hi Y'all,
Mary Healey recommended a book called MINE by Jean Donaldson @ www.dogwise.com I do not recall who she was replying to or why and I do not know what thread it was. I thought it might be a book I would like to read. I had never been to that website but I do know that Jean Donaldson is a popular trainer/author. I know how to teach basic obedience. I want books on behavioral problems. The library and Barnes and Noble generally have books on Sit and Stay or How to housebreak your puppy etc. nothing I am interested in. While I was at the site I noticed they also have videos on dog . training, very pricey (not for me) I intend to order the book "Mine", does anyone else have any suggestions from that web site on dog aggression? Actually, I would be grateful for any book on that subject regardless of the location. I was just trying to do that one stop shopping. Thanks, Be Free, Judy |
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Judith Althouse wrote: I intend to order the book "Mine", does anyone else have any suggestions from that web site on dog aggression? Actually, I would be grateful for any book on that subject regardless of the location. Not sure of the site you are on. I am also interested in aggression. Jean Donaldson's "Culture Clash" includes a discussion of triggers and the bite threshold model, which I find useful. Daniel Tortora's "Help, This Animal is Driving Me Crazy" is out of print, but very informative. I didn't have trouble finding a copy. I think I used Amazon's used book service. HTH, Amy Dahl |
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Amy,
Thank you I saw that book you mentioned on there too "Culture Clash" by Jean Donaldson in addition to "Mine" by Jean Donaldson. When Mary posted the site she just said @Dogwise? I had never heard of it, did a search and found what looks to be a lot of interesting books. I am going to get both.....The book called Mine is only 12,95. Be Free, Judy |
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"Judith Althouse" wrote in message ... Hi Y'all, Mary Healey recommended a book called MINE by Jean Donaldson @ www.dogwise.com I do not recall who she was replying to or why and I do not know what thread it was. I thought it might be a book I would like to read. I had never been to that website but I do know that Jean Donaldson is a popular trainer/author. I know how to teach basic obedience. I want books on behavioral problems. The library and Barnes and Noble generally have books on Sit and Stay or How to housebreak your puppy etc. nothing I am interested in. While I was at the site I noticed they also have videos on dog . training, very pricey (not for me) I intend to order the book "Mine", does anyone else have any suggestions from that web site on dog aggression? Actually, I would be grateful for any book on that subject regardless of the location. I was just trying to do that one stop shopping. Thanks, Be Free, Judy. James O'heare books are recommended. http://www.dogpsych.com/ Alison |
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in thread : "Alison"
whittled the following words: "Judith Althouse" wrote in message ... Hi Y'all, Mary Healey recommended a book called MINE by Jean Donaldson @ www.dogwise.com I do not recall who she was replying to or why and I do not know what thread it was. I thought it might be a book I would like to read. I had never been to that website but I do know that Jean Donaldson is a popular trainer/author. I know how to teach basic obedience. I want books on behavioral problems. The library and Barnes and Noble generally have books on Sit and Stay or How to housebreak your puppy etc. nothing I am interested in. While I was at the site I noticed they also have videos on dog . training, very pricey (not for me) I intend to order the book "Mine", does anyone else have any suggestions from that web site on dog aggression? Actually, I would be grateful for any book on that subject regardless of the location. I was just trying to do that one stop shopping. Thanks, Be Free, Judy. James O'heare books are recommended. http://www.dogpsych.com/ Alison Just for the record. I do NOT like Jean Donaldson. I have "The Culture Clash" and had high expectations after reading all the hype about it. I won't bother buying her other books. Then again, I don't have dogs with aggression issues, either to people, or other dogs. And her referral to dogs as "lemon heads" only told me, that her relationship with dogs is superficial, and she doesn't either know them, or bother to develop a deep understanding relationship with them. Which is understandable, since she works in a shelter where dogs are transients, and problem dogs. No doubt those dogs "are" lemon heads. I have a beagle that is one of those too. I read her book with a chip on my shoulder, and I was incensed all the way through. Then, I am a number of one. Because it seems everyone recommends it. |
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diddy wrote: Just for the record. I do NOT like Jean Donaldson. I have "The Culture Clash" and had high expectations after reading all the hype about it. I won't bother buying her other books. Then again, I don't have dogs with aggression issues, either to people, or other dogs. And her referral to dogs as "lemon heads" only told me, that her relationship with dogs is superficial, and she doesn't either know them, or bother to develop a deep understanding relationship with them. Which is understandable, since she works in a shelter where dogs are transients, and problem dogs. No doubt those dogs "are" lemon heads. I have a beagle that is one of those too. I read her book with a chip on my shoulder, and I was incensed all the way through. Then, I am a number of one. Because it seems everyone recommends it. When I first read "The Culture Clash" I thought it was great. When I went to reread it a few years ago I saw a lot of the flaws in it. Such as claiming to be very objective and scientific and then using totally subjective language. And if I hear one more shiney, happy idjit refer to dogs as "lemon brains" I may be sitting on death row. As long as people don't take this book as the be all and end all of dog training there are some good nuggets in there. Beth |
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On 4 Sep 2006 08:48:33 -0700, "
, clicked their heels and said: As long as people don't take this book as the be all and end all of dog training there are some good nuggets in there. I started to read it 8 years ago, and just couldn't get through it. Ok - I was pretty sick at the time, so maybe I just couldn't concentrate on anything, but still - I found it pretty unreadable. It's still here - maybe I'll give it another go sometime. -- Janet Boss www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com |
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diddy wrote: Just for the record. I do NOT like Jean Donaldson. I have "The Culture Clash" and had high expectations after reading all the hype about it. I won't bother buying her other books. Then again, I don't have dogs with aggression issues, either to people, or other dogs. And her referral to dogs as "lemon heads" only told me, that her relationship with dogs is superficial, and she doesn't either know them, or bother to develop a deep understanding relationship with them. Which is understandable, since she works in a shelter where dogs are transients, and problem dogs. No doubt those dogs "are" lemon heads. I have a beagle that is one of those too. I read her book with a chip on my shoulder, and I was incensed all the way through. Then, I am a number of one. Because it seems everyone recommends it. Donaldson has an abrasive style, to be sure. Not only that, she dissed my profession (retriever training) through her condemnation of force fetching. I felt that the "lemon brain" business and some of the other more-or-less offensive stuff was a deliberate attempt to shake or prod the reader out of the assumption that dogs are humans in little fur suits. She is angry, I think, because she sees the common assumptions people make about dogs' understanding things in human terms as the source of much unpleasantness and unnecessary death. I respect her point of view, and can deal with the style. Her use of "install" where I would say "instill" is distracting, but that's a minor point. It's been awhile since I read it (I lent it to someone, but IIRC her attitude towards her own dogs is not transparent). I recommended the book specifically for the bite threshold model, which I find useful in characterizing aggression. I don't necessarily promote the whole book, although there's some other interesting stuff, like the study of novice handlers working experienced dogs, emphasizing the importance of feedback rate. Now, I personally find that in dealing with my Chesapeakes, I can't do without a certain amount of anthropomophism. At least, the models I can find to describe, and formulate a response to, certain behavior are based on analogies to human behavior or thought constructs. Also I get a kick out of what I perceive as dog's apparently _thinking_ while working, and really don't desire to have it all reduced to Skinner. I suspect you and I are similar in this. But I didn't take Donaldson's diatribes personally; I just take or leave what I find interesting, or not, in her book--and some things in I find really worthwhile. The above, "dogs do what works," and "control what the dog wants, control the dog." Amy Dahl |
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