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Old September 19th 06, 05:32 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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Default Giardia and Autoimmune disease help please

I took my 2 3 year old german shepherd females to a training boot camp
when I got them back they both had a severe case of giardia. After 2
rounds of Albon & Panacur, then 2 rounds of Metrondiazole, the diarrhea
finally stopped after over a month of treatment.

They still had soft stools but a snap test came back negative so the vet
put them on 40 mg Prednisone thinking the digestive system was irratated
by the long period of time they had it. After 20 days of this we started
to tapper them off the Prednisone, the stools had become about 50% normal
& 50% soft.
On the day I was suppose to start giving the dogs Prednisone
every other day one of the dogs started limping on her front right leg.
I took her to the vet and he stopped the Prednisone and put her on Rimadyl.

She immediately began throwing up and acting lethargic. I assumed it was
the new medicine causing this so I cut the dosage in half. Still she got
worse after 3 days she was so bad I took her to a new vet where she was
tested positive for Giardia (as was the other dog),she was admitted for
a fever of unknown origin and hydration. Both dogs were given Panacur &
Metrondiazole at the same time and this finally cured the soft stools.

While admitted to the hospital the dog was given many tests and all came
back negative. She was released and after 2 days was back in for a fever
and lethargy again. Finally I took her to a specialist and he ran all kinds
of tests, and all came back negative. He put her back on the prednisone and
she finally stablilized. Finally the regular vet did an ANA autoimmune test
and she came back positive with a count of 3500.

After 1 month of high dosages of several steroids she had to be put down
because of pain from swelling joints and open sores on her feet.

The trainning kennel I took them to paid a portion of the first vet bill,
but now have denied any responsibility for the Giardia. They say that
since it takes 2 weeks before symptoms show up, that my dogs had to have
been infected prior to being boarded there.I spent over $6000 on the
Giardia and trying to save the dog from the autoimmune problem, plus
$1500 on the trainning.

Both dogs are house dogs and only went out in our fenced in back yard for
play time or to relieve themselves. Neither dog had ever had any health
problems or diarrhea prior to going to this kennel.

I live in central Florida, and the kennel is located in this area also.

My question is does anyone have experience or knowledge in a case of
Giardia contributing to the onset of Autoimmune disease?

Any help or guidance I can get would be greatly appreciated.
None of the vets that attended to the dogs seem to want to give me an
opinion, they all simply say they don't know what the cause was.

Thanks
Steve


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Old September 20th 06, 03:02 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health,rec.pets.dogs.behavior,alt.animals.dog,alt.med.veterinary,alt.pets.dogs.labrador
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"Steve" wrote in message
...
I took my 2 3 year old german shepherd females to a training boot camp


HOWE did they do? Do you think they're pupperly trained?

when I got them back they both had a severe case of giardia.


Giardia is WON funny critter and it's ubiquitHOWES to boot.
It's opportunistic as well, thriving on critters with a compromised
auto immune system. HOWEver in the majority of cases in heelthy
critters it goes unnoticed with no symptoms and is self limiting.

A HEELTHY immune system WON'T succumb to Giardia
UNLESS they're WALLOWING IN FILTH. {) : ~ )

After 2 rounds of Albon & Panacur, then 2 rounds of Metrondiazole,
the diarrhea finally stopped after over a month of treatment.


That's shitty {} : ~ (

It can be hard to treat. Giardia is a bug critters get from
eating poop, wild critters and stuff like water that's got
dead critters in it. Probiotics are worth a try. Psyllium
seems to help. There's more drug info below...

They still had soft stools


All that stuff can upset the digestive system pretty good.
That's HOWE COME the probiotics and psyllium may
heelp {) : ~ )

but a snap test came back negative


That's a pretty neat test.

so the vet put them on 40 mg Prednisone thinking the digestive
system was irratated by the long period of time they had it.


That's dangerHOWES medecine.

After 20 days of this we started to tapper them off the Prednisone,
the stools had become about 50% normal & 50% soft.


That's not normal. Perhaps it's anXXXIHOWESNESS?

Mike Richards, DVM:


Prednisone is known to produce a "steroid psychosis" in some
people. To the best of my knowledge, no one really knows for
sure if this occurs in dogs, but I believe that it does.

I have seen two or three dogs with really strange behavior
when they were on prednisone that cleared up consistently
when they were not on prednisone.

Corticosteroids like prednisone probably do not shorten the
lifespan when used judiciously. They do have several side
effects, including lowering the immune response, increasing
drinking, urinating and appetite and predisposing dogs to
diabetes and possibly pancreatitis.

Again, using prednisone every other day makes all of the
side effects less likely to occur.

Prednisone and other corticosteroids may cause other side effects, as
well.
Hairloss, dullness or thinning of the haircoat is occasionally seen in
cats.
Thinning of the skin and increased susceptibility to skin infections
may
occur. Panting is commonly seen in dogs as a side effect of
corticosteroid
use and is seen less frequently in cats, as well. We have had a couple
of
feline patients who developed diarrhea as a side effect of prednisone
usage.
Ulcers are reported to occur sometimes after corticosteroid usage but I

don't recall seeing this problem in any of our patients.

Generalized immune suppression can occur, particularly at higher
corticosteroid doses or with frequent administration of
corticosteroids.
This is the side effect that we worry the most about in cats, as there
is
some evidence that corticosteroids can make it possible for dormant
feline
leukemia virus or herpes virus infections to reappear. It is a good
idea to
watch carefully for signs of illness when it is necessary to use
corticosteroids in a cat and to report any signs of illness to your vet
as
soon as possible.

Corticosteroid may lead to an increased incidence of pancreatitis in
dogs
but I am not sure if this problem occurs in cats. Use of cortisones
makes it
harder to control insulin dosages in diabetic pets and they may even
help to
induce diabetes in susceptible pets.

In people, corticosteroid induced pyschoses are reported. I honestly
think
that this occasionally occurs in pets but have no real scientific data
to
support that belief. Still, if your cat starts hiding out all day, is
more
aggressive, or exhibits any recognizable behavioral changes it would be

worthwhile to report them to your vet.

There are probably other side effects that I haven't thought of.
Sometimes
when I look at the lists of things that corticosteroids do that aren't
good
for the patient it is hard to understand why we use them."

On the day I was suppose to start giving the dogs Prednisone
every other day one of the dogs started limping on her front
right leg.


That's curiHOWES.

I took her to the vet and he stopped the Prednisone
and put her on Rimadyl.


That can be DEADLY:

Rimadyl is not recommended for animals with known bleeding
disorders and should not be used if a dog has preexisting liver
disease, inflammatory bowel disease, or a known tendency towards
gastrointestinal ulceration.

In fact, these are some of the side effects reported in a small
number of cases involving the use of Rimadyl. Rimadyl
should never be given along with any other non-steroidal
anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID) such as aspirin, or along
with any corticosteroid hormones such as prednisone,
prednisolone, or dexamethasone.

Rimadyl Given Simultaneously with Prednisone; No
Baseline Tests Done; Side Effects Warnings Not Given...
Fatal Outcome From an E-mail received November 28, 2001

snip

She immediately began throwing up and acting lethargic.


Naaah?

I assumed it was the new medicine causing this so I cut the
dosage in half. Still she got worse after 3 days she was so bad
I took her to a new vet where she was tested positive for Giardia


Could be they got a new EXXXPOSURE.

(as was the other dog),she was admitted for a fever of unknown
origin and hydration. Both dogs were given Panacur &
Metrondiazole at the same time and this finally cured the soft stools.


Looks like you're done with it.

While admitted to the hospital the dog was given many tests
and all came back negative. She was released and after 2 days
was back in for a fever and lethargy again. Finally I took her
to a specialist and he ran all kinds of tests, and all came back
negative.

He put her back on the prednisone and she finally stablilized.


Till the next time.

Finally the regular vet did an ANA autoimmune test
and she came back positive with a count of 3500.


That's Greek.

After 1 month of high dosages of several steroids she had
to be put down because of pain from swelling joints and
open sores on her feet.


That's INSANE.

The trainning kennel I took them to paid a portion of the first vet bill,


As they probably shoulda.

but now have denied any responsibility for the Giardia.


Well your dogs DID get it again after leavin. Perhaps
they didn't get it at all from the kennel?

They say that since it takes 2 weeks before symptoms show up,
that my dogs had to have been infected prior to being boarded
there.


Could be.

I spent over $6000 on the Giardia and trying to
save the dog from the autoimmune problem,


That's incredible.

plus $1500 on the trainning.


It'd be hard to prove they done anything wrong.

Both dogs are house dogs and only went out in our fenced
in back yard for play time or to relieve themselves.


They can get giardia from bunny poops.

Neither dog had ever had any health problems
or diarrhea prior to going to this kennel.


It'd be nearly impossible to be certain they got it from the kennel.

Incubation period for Giardia: Symptoms generally begin
1-2 weeks after being infected. (Source: excerpt from Giardiasis:
DPD)
Duration of Giardia: Up to a month without treatments;

I live in central Florida,


LikeWIZE.

and the kennel is located in this area also.


My question is does anyone have experience or knowledge
in a case of Giardia contributing to the onset of Autoimmune
disease?


No, it's the other way arHOWEND.

Any help or guidance I can get would be greatly appreciated.


HOWE long were your dogs in the kennel? THAT MIGHT
be able to prove if they were infected there or not.

None of the vets that attended to the dogs seem
to want to give me an opinion,


There's no case against the kennel. If anything the
veterinary treatment PROBABLY contributed to
her auto immune DIS-EASE.

they all simply say they don't know what the cause was.


She'd been on repeated treatments of P-HOWERFUL drugs
KNOWN and DESIGNED TO DEBILITATE the autoimmune
system {) : ~ ( .

Thanks


You're welcome

Steve


I'm Jerry Howe, The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
G-R-A-N-D
Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard {) ; ~ )

Flagyl & Metronidazole are the same drug.

They're for giardia... but you CANNOT GET
OVER IT if your dog EATS INFECTED POO!!!

Special warnings about this medication

If you experience seizures or numbness or tingling in
your arms, legs, hands, or feet, remember that you should
stop taking Flagyl and call your doctor immediately.

If you have liver disease, make sure the doctor is aware
of it. Flagyl should be used with caution.

Active or undiagnosed yeast infections may appear or
worsen when you take Flagyl.

Two serious side effects that have occurred with Flagyl
are seizures and numbness or tingling in the arms, legs,
hands, and feet. If you experience either of these symptoms,
stop taking the medication and call your doctor immediately.

More common side effects may include:
Abdominal cramps, constipation, diarrhea, headache, loss of
appetite, nausea, upset stomach, vomiting

Less common side effects may include:
Blood disorders, confusion, dark urine, decreased sex drive,
depression, difficulty sleeping, dizziness, dry mouth (or
vagina or vulva), fever, flushing, furry tongue, hives,
inability to hold urine, increased production of pale urine,
inflamed mouth or tongue, inflammation of the rectum, irritability,
lack of muscle coordination, metallic taste, occasional joint
pain, pain during sexual intercourse, painful or difficult
urination, pelvic pressure, rash, stuffy nose, vertigo, weakness,
yeast infection (candida) in vagina

Recommended dosage

ADULT

Trichomoniasis

One-day treatment: 2 grams of Flagyl, taken as a single dose
or divided into 2 doses (1 gram each) taken in the same day.

Seven-day course of treatment: 250 milligrams 3 times daily
for 7 consecutive days.

Acute Intestinal Amebiasis (Acute Amebic Dysentery)

The usual dose is 750 milligrams taken by mouth 3 times daily
for 5 to 10 days.

Amebic Liver Abscess

The usual dose is 500 milligrams or 750 milligrams taken by
mouth 3 times daily for 5 to 10 days.

Common Side Effects:
Check with your doctor if any of the following
sideeffects continue or are bothersome:

Diarrhea
dizziness or lightheadedness
headache
loss of appetite
nausea or vomiting
stomach pain or cramps

USES OF THIS MEDICATION

Metronidazole is an antibiotic especially effective against
anaerobic infections (infections that grow without the presence
of oxygen.) In addition, it has anti-inflammatory properties in
the large intestine and is a very effective anti-diarrhea medication.
It is an effective antibiotic against certain protozoal infections,
especially GIARDIA.

A common use of this medication would be the treatment of colitis,
which may or may not be caused by inflammatory bowel disease.

HOW THIS MEDICATION WORKS

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/body_metronidazole.html

The normal tissues of our bodies depend on the presence of oxygen
for survival and, indeed, we have an elaborate circulatory system
to see that oxygen is transported throughout our bodies. In other
words, our cells live aerobically.

Abscessed tissues and tumors with poor central circulation do not
receive blood supply and oxygen. Only bacteria that can live without
oxygen can survive in these areas. These bacteria are called
"anaerobic" bacteria.

In anaerobic conditions, the metronidazole molecule changes so as to
inhibit the DNA repair enzymes that normally would repair cells. This
means death for anaerobic bacteria but no effect on aerobic tissues.

Metronidazole is also used in radiotherapy for cancer as this DNA
effect can sensitize anaerobic tumor tissues to radiation making a
smaller dose of radiation more effective.

Metronidazole is able to modify cell mediated immunity so as to
normalize excessive immune reactions, especially in the large
intestine. We do not know how metronidazole is able to do this.

----------------------------------

http://www.marvistavet.com/html/panacur.html

BRAND NAME: PANACUR

AVAILABLE IN
ORAL SUSPENSION
AND GRANULES

BACKGROUND

The care of animals has always included the management
of internal parasites. As technology has progressed,
the medications developed have become more and more
broad in the spectrum of parasites they can eradicate.

Fenbendazole is a member of the benzimidizole group of
anti-parasite medications which makes it a relatively
broad spectrum product.

HOW THIS MEDICATION IS USED

Fenbendazole (often abbreviated "FBZ") is used in both
large and small animals. In dogs, it is useful against
roundworms, hookworms, and the more difficult to treat
whipworms. It is effective against the Taenia species
of tapeworm but not against the Common tapeworm Dipylidium
Dcaninum.

It is also effective against giardia, a protozoan and
several species of lungworm and even some flukes.

Fenbendazole is rarely required for feline use but can
certainly be used safely in the cat.

Fenbendazole is not approved by the FDA for use in the cat, however.

SIDE EFFECTS

Some animals experience vomiting/nausea after deworming.

INTERACTIONS WITH OTHER DRUGS

There are no significant drug interactions in small animal use.

CONCERNS AND CAUTIONS

Fenbendazole is considered safe for use in pregnancy in all
species.

Treatment is necessary for three consecutive days.

Treatment may require a second course depending on which
parasite is being treated.

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Old September 20th 06, 03:23 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health,rec.pets.dogs.behavior,alt.animals.dog,alt.med.veterinary,alt.pets.dogs.labrador
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WELCOME to The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW Wits' End Dog, Child, Kat And Horse Training
Method Manual Forums {); ~ )

I'm Jerry Howe, The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard {) ; ~ )

Here's your own FREE COPY of The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin
Insanely Simply Amazing Grand Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And
Horsey Wizard's

The *666* Edition Of Your Own
FREE COPY
Of
The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply Amazing
GRAND
Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard's
100% CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL
FREE WWW
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"Steve" wrote in message
...
I took my 2 3 year old german shepherd females to a training boot camp


HOWE did they do? Do you think they're pupperly trained?

when I got them back they both had a severe case of giardia.


Giardia is WON funny critter and it's ubiquitHOWES to boot.
It's opportunistic as well, thriving on critters with a compromised
auto immune system. HOWEver in the majority of cases in heelthy
critters it goes unnoticed with no symptoms and is self limiting.

A HEELTHY immune system WON'T succumb to Giardia
UNLESS they're WALLOWING IN FILTH. {) : ~ )

After 2 rounds of Albon & Panacur, then 2 rounds of Metrondiazole,
the diarrhea finally stopped after over a month of treatment.


That's shitty {} : ~ (

It can be hard to treat. Giardia is a bug critters get from
eating poop, wild critters and stuff like water that's got
dead critters in it. Probiotics are worth a try. Psyllium
seems to help. There's more drug info below...

They still had soft stools


All that stuff can upset the digestive system pretty good.
That's HOWE COME the probiotics and psyllium may
heelp {) : ~ )

but a snap test came back negative


That's a pretty neat test.

so the vet put them on 40 mg Prednisone thinking the digestive
system was irratated by the long period of time they had it.


That's dangerHOWES medecine.

After 20 days of this we started to tapper them off the Prednisone,
the stools had become about 50% normal & 50% soft.


That's not normal. Perhaps it's anXXXIHOWESNESS?

Mike Richards, DVM:


Prednisone is known to produce a "steroid psychosis" in some
people. To the best of my knowledge, no one really knows for
sure if this occurs in dogs, but I believe that it does.

I have seen two or three dogs with really strange behavior
when they were on prednisone that cleared up consistently
when they were not on prednisone.

Corticosteroids like prednisone probably do not shorten the
lifespan when used judiciously. They do have several side
effects, including lowering the immune response, increasing
drinking, urinating and appetite and predisposing dogs to
diabetes and possibly pancreatitis.

Again, using prednisone every other day makes all of the
side effects less likely to occur.

Prednisone and other corticosteroids may cause other side effects, as
well.
Hairloss, dullness or thinning of the haircoat is occasionally seen in
cats.
Thinning of the skin and increased susceptibility to skin infections
may
occur. Panting is commonly seen in dogs as a side effect of
corticosteroid
use and is seen less frequently in cats, as well. We have had a couple
of
feline patients who developed diarrhea as a side effect of prednisone
usage.
Ulcers are reported to occur sometimes after corticosteroid usage but I

don't recall seeing this problem in any of our patients.

Generalized immune suppression can occur, particularly at higher
corticosteroid doses or with frequent administration of
corticosteroids.
This is the side effect that we worry the most about in cats, as there
is
some evidence that corticosteroids can make it possible for dormant
feline
leukemia virus or herpes virus infections to reappear. It is a good
idea to
watch carefully for signs of illness when it is necessary to use
corticosteroids in a cat and to report any signs of illness to your vet
as
soon as possible.

Corticosteroid may lead to an increased incidence of pancreatitis in
dogs
but I am not sure if this problem occurs in cats. Use of cortisones
makes it
harder to control insulin dosages in diabetic pets and they may even
help to
induce diabetes in susceptible pets.

In people, corticosteroid induced pyschoses are reported. I honestly
think
that this occasionally occurs in pets but have no real scientific data
to
support that belief. Still, if your cat starts hiding out all day, is
more
aggressive, or exhibits any recognizable behavioral changes it would be

worthwhile to report them to your vet.

There are probably other side effects that I haven't thought of.
Sometimes
when I look at the lists of things that corticosteroids do that aren't
good
for the patient it is hard to understand why we use them."

On the day I was suppose to start giving the dogs Prednisone
every other day one of the dogs started limping on her front
right leg.


That's curiHOWES.

I took her to the vet and he stopped the Prednisone
and put her on Rimadyl.


That can be DEADLY:

Rimadyl is not recommended for animals with known bleeding
disorders and should not be used if a dog has preexisting liver
disease, inflammatory bowel disease, or a known tendency towards
gastrointestinal ulceration.

In fact, these are some of the side effects reported in a small
number of cases involving the use of Rimadyl. Rimadyl
should never be given along with any other non-steroidal
anti-inflammatory drug (NSAID) such as aspirin, or along
with any corticosteroid hormones such as prednisone,
prednisolone, or dexamethasone.

Rimadyl Given Simultaneously with Prednisone; No
Baseline Tests Done; Side Effects Warnings Not Given...
Fatal Outcome From an E-mail received November 28, 2001

snip

She immediately began throwing up and acting lethargic.


Naaah?

I assumed it was the new medicine causing this so I cut the
dosage in half. Still she got worse after 3 days she was so bad
I took her to a new vet where she was tested positive for Giardia


Could be they got a new EXXXPOSURE.

(as was the other dog),she was admitted for a fever of unknown
origin and hydration. Both dogs were given Panacur &
Metrondiazole at the same time and this finally cured the soft stools.


Looks like you're done with it.

While admitted to the hospital the dog was given many tests
and all came back negative. She was released and after 2 days
was back in for a fever and lethargy again. Finally I took her
to a specialist and he ran all kinds of tests, and all came back
negative.

He put her back on the prednisone and she finally stablilized.


Till the next time.

Finally the regular vet did an ANA autoimmune test
and she came back positive with a count of 3500.


That's Greek.

After 1 month of high dosages of several steroids she had
to be put down because of pain from swelling joints and
open sores on her feet.


That's INSANE.

The trainning kennel I took them to paid a portion of the first vet bill,


As they probably shoulda.

but now have denied any responsibility for the Giardia.


Well your dogs DID get it again after leavin. Perhaps
they didn't get it at all from the kennel?

They say that since it takes 2 weeks before symptoms show up,
that my dogs had to have been infected prior to being boarded
there.


Could be.

I spent over $6000 on the Giardia and trying to
save the dog from the autoimmune problem,


That's incredible.

plus $1500 on the trainning.


It'd be hard to prove they done anything wrong.

Both dogs are house dogs and only went out in our fenced
in back yard for play time or to relieve themselves.


They can get giardia from bunny poops.

Neither dog had ever had any health problems
or diarrhea prior to going to this kennel.


It'd be nearly impossible to be certain they got it from the kennel.

Incubation period for Giardia: Symptoms generally begin
1-2 weeks after being infected. (Source: excerpt from Giardiasis:
DPD)
Duration of Giardia: Up to a month without treatments;

I live in central Florida,


LikeWIZE.

and the kennel is located in this area also.


My question is does anyone have experience or knowledge
in a case of Giardia contributing to the onset of Autoimmune
disease?


No, it's the other way arHOWEND.

Any help or guidance I can get would be greatly appreciated.


HOWE long were your dogs in the kennel? THAT MIGHT
be able to prove if they were infected there or not.

None of the vets that attended to the dogs seem
to want to give me an opinion,


There's no case against the kennel. If anything the
veterinary treatment PROBABLY contributed to
her auto immune DIS-EASE.

they all simply say they don't know what the cause was.


She'd been on repeated treatments of P-HOWERFUL drugs
KNOWN and DESIGNED TO DEBILITATE the autoimmune
system {) : ~ ( .

Thanks


You're welcome

Steve


I'm Jerry Howe, The Sincerely Incredibly Freakin Insanely Simply
A-M-A-Z-I-N-G
G-R-A-N-D
Puppy, Child, Pussy, Birdy And Horsey Wizard {) ; ~ )

Flagyl & Metronidazole are the same drug.

They're for giardia... but you CANNOT GET
OVER IT if your dog EATS INFECTED POO!!!

Special warnings about this medication

If you experience seizures or numbness or tingling in
your arms, legs, hands, or feet, remember that you should
stop taking Flagyl and call your doctor immediately.

If you have liver disease, make sure the doctor is aware
of it. Flagyl should be used with caution.

Active or undiagnosed yeast infections may appear or
worsen when you take Flagyl.

Two serious side effects that have occurred with Flagyl
are seizures and numbness or tingling in the arms, legs,
hands, and feet. If you experience either of these symptoms,
stop taking the medication and call your doctor immediately.

More common side effects may include:
Abdominal cramps, constipation, diarrhea, headache, loss of
appetite, nausea, upset stomach, vomiting

Less common side effects may include:
Blood disorders, confusion, dark urine, decreased sex drive,
depression, difficulty sleeping, dizziness, dry mouth (or
vagina or vulva), fever, flushing, furry tongue, hives,
inability to hold urine, increased production of pale urine,
inflamed mouth or tongue, inflammation of the rectum, irritability,
lack of muscle coordination, metallic taste, occasional joint
pain, pain during sexual intercourse, painful or difficult
urination, pelvic pressure, rash, stuffy nose, vertigo, weakness,
yeast infection (candida) in vagina

Recommended dosage

ADULT

Trichomoniasis

One-day treatment: 2 grams of Flagyl, taken as a single dose
or divided into 2 doses (1 gram each) taken in the same day.

Seven-day course of treatment: 250 milligrams 3 times daily
for 7 consecutive days.

Acute Intestinal Amebiasis (Acute Amebic Dysentery)

The usual dose is 750 milligrams taken by mouth 3 times daily
for 5 to 10 days.

Amebic Liver Abscess

The usual dose is 500 milligrams or 750 milligrams taken by
mouth 3 times daily for 5 to 10 days.

Common Side Effects:
Check with your doctor if any of the following
sideeffects continue or are bothersome:

Diarrhea
dizziness or lightheadedness
headache
loss of appetite
nausea or vomiting
stomach pain or cramps

USES OF THIS MEDICATION

Metronidazole is an antibiotic especially effective against
anaerobic infections (infections that grow without the presence
of oxygen.) In addition, it has anti-inflammatory properties in
the large intestine and is a very effective anti-diarrhea medication.
It is an effective antibiotic against certain protozoal infections,
especially GIARDIA.

A common use of this medication would be the treatment of colitis,
which may or may not be caused by inflammatory bowel disease.

HOW THIS MEDICATION WORKS

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The normal tissues of our bodies depend on the presence of oxygen
for survival and, indeed, we have an elaborate circulatory system
to see that oxygen is transported throughout our bodies. In other
words, our cells live aerobically.

Abscessed tissues and tumors with poor central circulation do not
receive blood supply and oxygen. Only bacteria that can live without
oxygen can survive in these areas. These bacteria are called
"anaerobic" bacteria.

In anaerobic conditions, the metronidazole molecule changes so as to
inhibit the DNA repair enzymes that normally would repair cells. This
means death for anaerobic bacteria but no effect on aerobic tissues.

Metronidazole is also used in radiotherapy for cancer as this DNA
effect can sensitize anaerobic tumor tissues to radiation making a
smaller dose of radiation more effective.

Metronidazole is able to modify cell mediated immunity so as to
normalize excessive immune reactions, especially in the large
intestine. We do not know how metronidazole is able to do this.

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BRAND NAME: PANACUR

AVAILABLE IN
ORAL SUSPENSION
AND GRANULES

BACKGROUND

The care of animals has always included the management
of internal parasites. As technology has progressed,
the medications developed have become more and more
broad in the spectrum of parasites they can eradicate.

Fenbendazole is a member of the benzimidizole group of
anti-parasite medications which makes it a relatively
broad spectrum product.

HOW THIS MEDICATION IS USED

Fenbendazole (often abbreviated "FBZ") is used in both
large and small animals. In dogs, it is useful against
roundworms, hookworms, and the more difficult to treat
whipworms. It is effective against the Taenia species
of tapeworm but not against the Common tapeworm Dipylidium
Dcaninum.

It is also effective against giardia, a protozoan and
several species of lungworm and even some flukes.

Fenbendazole is rarely required for feline use but can
certainly be used safely in the cat.

Fenbendazole is not approved by the FDA for use in the cat, however.

SIDE EFFECTS

Some animals experience vomiting/nausea after deworming.

INTERACTIONS WITH OTHER DRUGS

There are no significant drug interactions in small animal use.

CONCERNS AND CAUTIONS

Fenbendazole is considered safe for use in pregnancy in all
species.

Treatment is necessary for three consecutive days.

Treatment may require a second course depending on which
parasite is being treated.

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