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The Monks of New Skete, The Art of Raising a Puppy
I picked this book up in the discard bin at the library for a buck. I
am currently working with my 13 month old dog, who has the basics mostly down. Is there anything in this book that will help me with her, or is it strictly puppy specific? I plan to give it to a friend who is getting a new puppy, but thought I might read it first if it might help me. |
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The Monks of New Skete, The Art of Raising a Puppy
On 15 Oct 2006 17:17:15 -0700, "Lynne"
wrote: I picked this book up in the discard bin at the library for a buck. I am currently working with my 13 month old dog, who has the basics mostly down. Is there anything in this book that will help me with her, or is it strictly puppy specific? If your dog is 13 mo, already has the basics down, you're not going to get much help from the book. I plan to give it to a friend who is getting a new puppy, but thought I might read it first if it might help me. Good book, and just right for a new puppy owner, IMO. As far as what might help *you* now, what are your objectives? -- Handsome Jack Morrison |
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The Monks of New Skete, The Art of Raising a Puppy
On 15 Oct 2006 17:17:15 -0700, "Lynne"
wrote: I picked this book up in the discard bin at the library for a buck. I am currently working with my 13 month old dog, who has the basics mostly down. Is there anything in this book that will help me with her, or is it strictly puppy specific? I plan to give it to a friend who is getting a new puppy, but thought I might read it first if it might help me. I got that book when I got my first puppy and got a lot out of it. Many things in it have been shown to not be the best way to handle a dog with time, however, so it probably isn't the best book to start out with. Better to start with something else and read the Monks when you have a better sense of what to use and what to discard in favor of more effective methods. The alpha roll, for example, is still used by some people, but can be a big problem for novices and there are other things that are not problematic that you can do to accomplish the same relationship of authority. -- Paula "Anyway, other people are weird, but sometimes they have candy, so it's best to try to get along with them." Joe Bay |
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The Monks of New Skete, The Art of Raising a Puppy
On Oct 15, 9:59 pm, Handsome Jack Morrison
wrote: If your dog is 13 mo, already has the basics down, you're not going to get much help from the book. That's what I was wondering. Thank you. I'll pass it along to my friend. As far as what might help *you* now, what are your objectives? In general, I want to work with Roxy so that she is more consistent. I really haven't "trained" her since she was a pup because she is "good enough" for our family's lifestyle. I just reinforce what she already knows with praise or treats. She responds well to both. She knows and obeys: sit, down, off, come, quiet, go potty, go get it, drop it, up (to get on the bed, couch, or in the car), leave the kitty alone, and shake. She knows most of these with hand signals, as well as verbally. She also knows "stay" but we're working on that one right now because she doesn't stay long. She is VERY good off leash in the woods, where we spend quite a lot of time. She sticks with me really well, but I don't really have to tell her to do so. I would be completely happy with all of this, except I am looking at adopting a 2nd dog and I want Roxy to be more consistent before we bring another dog home. Specifically, my goals a 1) down/stay with distractions (which I think I have a good handle on achieving, we just have to work on it) 2) "come" the first time I say it when she is barking her fool head off at *whatever* 3) I'd also like to get her to be able to calm down when something outside has her worked up, hackles and howls galore (typically my neighbors loose dogs in our front yard sigh) 4) better manners when visitors come to the door. She is a jumper and a licker, which I love, but my mother especially doesn't enjoy this. 5) finally, Roxy is TOO friendly with other dogs. She loves all dogs, all sizes, and even all demeanors. I am afraid this may get her hurt one day. My friend's GSD has disciplined Roxy when her puppy antics get too much, but Roxy doesn't seem to have any dog sense at all and will even run up to 2 snarling dog leashed to a tree (thankfully these were my friend's dogs and I knew they wouldn't hurt her). I suspect working on #2 will resolve this concern I have. I think that's it. The class I was going to sign up for is too basic according to the instructor, and so I am going to work with her on my own for now. I'm very excited to adopt another dog, and I think I have found her (a Golden), but I imagine training 2 dogs at once is difficult at best, and I think I just need some practical advice on how to achieve my above goals with Roxy. A good book recommendation will work! |
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The Monks of New Skete, The Art of Raising a Puppy
On Oct 15, 10:20 pm, Paula wrote:
Better to start with something else and read the Monks when you have a better sense of what to use and what to discard in favor of more effective methods. Maybe I won't give this book to my friend afterall. The alpha roll, for example, is still used by some people, but can be a big problem for novices and there are other things that are not problematic that you can do to accomplish the same relationship of authority. Ha! If I tried an alpha roll on Roxy at this point, she'd go into full play mode. She's only 35 lbs, but we wrestle on a regular basis and it's second only to running in the woods on her list of favorite things to do with me. |
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The Monks of New Skete, The Art of Raising a Puppy [jerry]
A Poor Shepherd Boy And His Dog At His Masters Feet wrote: HOWEDY lynne you pathetic miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin mental case, Lynne wrote: I picked this book up in the discard bin at the library for a buck. Ever WONder HOWE COME the library is THRHOWEIN HOWET a valuable dog trainin book written by the most highly respected drunken animal murderin pathetic con artist frauds in the PUPPY MILL BUSINESS, lynne? What the hell are you TALKING ABOUT? What, are you a ****ing 7-year old? Can't you speak CORRECTLY? You sound like a complete IMBECILE, you moron you. ****ing idiot... |
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The Monks of New Skete, The Art of Raising a Puppy
On 15 Oct 2006 19:38:47 -0700, "Lynne"
wrote: [] She knows and obeys: sit, down, off, come, quiet, go potty, go get it, drop it, up (to get on the bed, couch, or in the car), leave the kitty alone, and shake. She knows most of these with hand signals, as well as verbally. She also knows "stay" but we're working on that one right now because she doesn't stay long. She is VERY good off leash in the woods, where we spend quite a lot of time. She sticks with me really well, but I don't really have to tell her to do so. I would be completely happy with all of this, except I am looking at adopting a 2nd dog and I want Roxy to be more consistent before we bring another dog home. Specifically, my goals a 1) down/stay with distractions (which I think I have a good handle on achieving, we just have to work on it) Then repeat your training, but do it with distractions this time. The same kinds of distractions you feel you might encounter, or want to be prepared for. For example, she "sits" well in your living room. Now train her to "sit" well in your yard (with the kinds of distractions one might encounter there (squirrels, birds, etc.). Then take it to the park. Train her to "sit" in crowded areas of the park, where skateboarders, loud children, etc abound. And so on. That's how reliability is built, Lynne. 2) "come" the first time I say it when she is barking her fool head off at *whatever* That's just a measure of how consistent you are in reinforcing her recalls. None of that "Come, Fido!", "COME, Fido!", "No, COME FIDO!", "Damnit, COME FIDO!" crap. One refusal and you *immediately* go get her and correct her. Period. 3) I'd also like to get her to be able to calm down when something outside has her worked up, hackles and howls galore (typically my neighbors loose dogs in our front yard sigh) Again, that's a measure of reinforcing your commands using distractions. For example, loose dogs in your yard. You'll probably need a friend with dogs to help you out. 4) better manners when visitors come to the door. She is a jumper and a licker, which I love, but my mother especially doesn't enjoy this. She can't jump if she's in a "sit," right? Again, this is where it pays to use distractions again. E.g., your friends playing like "visitors." Or the mailman. Etc. 5) finally, Roxy is TOO friendly with other dogs. She loves all dogs, all sizes, and even all demeanors. I am afraid this may get her hurt one day. That's pretty much a management problem, not a training problem. My friend's GSD has disciplined Roxy when her puppy antics get too much, but Roxy doesn't seem to have any dog sense at all and will even run up to 2 snarling dog leashed to a tree (thankfully these were my friend's dogs and I knew they wouldn't hurt her). I suspect working on #2 will resolve this concern I have. Yep. That's why the RECALL is the most important command your dog will ever learn. And it should be constantly reinforced, in the house, in the yard, out at the park, etc., several times a day. I think that's it. The class I was going to sign up for is too basic according to the instructor, and so I am going to work with her on my own for now. I think you've got more than enough knowledge and ability, you just need to repeat everything you've already taught her, but do it using DISTRACTIONS this time. And you'll probably need some help from your friends, and their dogs. This is one of the biggest advantages that professional trainers have over amateurs. Help, and better facilities. I'm very excited to adopt another dog, and I think I have found her (a Golden), but I imagine training 2 dogs at once is difficult at best, and I think I just need some practical advice on how to achieve my above goals with Roxy. A good book recommendation will work! Just MORE TRAINING, this time using distractions, will get you where you want to go, in my opinion. Anyway, good luck! -- Handsome Jack Morrison |
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The Monks of New Skete, The Art of Raising a Puppy
On 15 Oct 2006 19:48:08 -0700, "Lynne"
wrote: On Oct 15, 10:20 pm, Paula wrote: Better to start with something else and read the Monks when you have a better sense of what to use and what to discard in favor of more effective methods. Maybe I won't give this book to my friend afterall. It's a *great* book for your friend. It's a classic, in fact. The alpha roll, for example, is still used by some people, but can be a big problem for novices and there are other things that are not problematic that you can do to accomplish the same relationship of authority. Ha! If I tried an alpha roll on Roxy at this point, she'd go into full play mode. She's only 35 lbs, but we wrestle on a regular basis and it's second only to running in the woods on her list of favorite things to do with me. So tell her to forgo the alpha roll. The book has probably helped to create more well-mannered puppies than probably all other puppy books combined. -- Handsome Jack Morrison |
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The Monks of New Skete, The Art of Raising a Puppy
Handsome Jack Morrison wrote: [] Just MORE TRAINING, this time using distractions, will get you where you want to go, in my opinion. Anyway, good luck! -- Handsome Jack Morrison Thank you, Jack! One more question: what is a good, effective correction for a dog who is not on a leash? I want to say "no" less... When Roxy is on her leash (with a flat collar), I snap it and she straightens up (most of the time). Should I put a leash on her for our training sessions and continue to correct her that way, or is there something else any of you would recommend? She's a bit thick-skulled FWIW. Reminds me of a lab we had many many years ago. As to the book, I will give it to my friend with the advice to skip the alpha roll. Thanks again. |
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The Monks of New Skete, The Art of Raising a Puppy
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