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Old September 25th 03, 08:12 PM
mickael
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Lynn K. wrote:


Most often the receptionist will immediately recognize the name and
say something like "Oh, the Smith's did everything they could for
their aged Fido. I'm so glad they're getting another dog. They're
wonderful owners." On occasion I'll hear something like "We've
treated 4 of their prior car hit dogs because they allow their pets to
run free, and they never paid any of the bills or authorized
treatment." That's stuff that the potential adopter isn't going to
volunteer.



Did you do a vet check on this dog?
Did you do a home visit for the people who wanted to adopt this dog?
Do you volunteer to your clients that you murder great, flashy,
dynamite, titled border collies because of fear of your insurance rates
going up?


----------------------------------
Lynn K, kills a great dog
----------------------------------

Exactly. A couple of years ago I evaluated a BC bitch in rescue who had
gotten in 20-25 bites on her foster family the 1st day in their home.
The problem was that there were a whole slew of people lined up who
wanted her because she was a dynamite herding dog, titled before she was
2, flashy, etc.. Most of these people were single women

[editor's note, like Melanie Lee Chang, who would
have had ZERO problems with this dog, even though
she's 1/10th the trainer Michael is]

into competitive herding who had no children or plans to have any.

Testing the dog revealed that she had a safety zone of about 3 ft and
would use her mouth to drive out anyone who came within that space
(other than whoever was holding her leash). She also would not tolerate
any entrance to her airspace. The deciding factor was that eye contact
was also a trigger and the severity of the bite increased with eye's
moved lowerer to her level. IOW, the shorter the person, the harder the
bite, and kids were shortest of all."

[This is HOWE lynn KillMooreDogs seals a
a dog's fate and this is HOWE SHE KILLS
DOGS. She kills them with WORDS, not with
poison. She lets sucker animal lovers or
sucker volunteers do the dirty work of
poisoning them and dumping their bodies,
after she condemns them to death with
her "evaluation"] --editor's note


We decided that even if we could feel perfectly safe with a person and
situation we placed her into, she still had to live in a world where
there were children and we couldn't, in good conscience, put a known
risk like her into that world. People's lives and situation change and
any adopter might have future contact with children that they don't have
at present.

She was put down.


[because of Lynn K.s Passionate concerns about
LIABILITY INSURANCE, the ONLY thing she cares
about, besides her REPUTATION as an "animal
lover" BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA!!!] --editor's note

Lynn K.

---------------------------------------------

MOOOOORE DOG KILLING FROM LYNN KILLMAKOS





LYNN K. "I'LL PUT A BITER DOWN AS FAST AS ANYONE"


==============================================
On her role in killing dogs in the SF Bay area, a role she claims she
doesn't play anymoore.
==============================================


"I'll put down a biter as fast as anyone - provided I have seen the
behavior and know that the dog is in fact a biter."
--Lynn K.

-----------------------------

"I've been in dogs for over 40 years and worked with
many rescue organizations and with shelters in 3 states. I've
been in the position of evaluating court-seized dogs in bite
cases."
--Lynn K.

------------------------------


No. I evaluated Hera. It wasn't all poor upbringing and management.

Lynn K.


--------------------------

Exactly. A couple of years ago I evaluated a BC bitch in rescue who had
gotten in 20-25 bites on her foster family the 1st day in their home.
The problem was that there were a whole slew of people lined up who
wanted her because she was a dynamite herding dog, titled before she was
2, flashy, etc.. Most of these people were single women

[editor's note, like Melanie Lee Chang, who would
have had ZERO problems with this dog, even though
she's 1/10th the trainer Michael is]

into competitive herding who had no children or plans to have any.

Testing the dog revealed that she had a safety zone of about 3 ft and
would use her mouth to drive out anyone who came within that space
(other than whoever was holding her leash). She also would not tolerate
any entrance to her airspace. The deciding factor was that eye contact
was also a trigger and the severity of the bite increased with eye's
moved lowerer to her level. IOW, the shorter the person, the harder the
bite, and kids were shortest of all."

[This is HOWE lynn KillMooreDogs seals a
a dog's fate and this is HOWE SHE KILLS
DOGS. She kills them with WORDS, not with
poison. She lets sucker animal lovers or
sucker volunteers do the dirty work of
poisoning them and dumping their bodies,
after she condemns them to death with
her "evaluation"] --editor's note


We decided that even if we could feel perfectly safe with a person and
situation we placed her into, she still had to live in a world where
there were children and we couldn't, in good conscience, put a known
risk like her into that world. People's lives and situation change and
any adopter might have future contact with children that they don't have
at present.

She was put down.


[because of Lynn K.s Passionate concerns about
LIABILITY INSURANCE, the ONLY thing she cares
about, besides her REPUTATION as an "animal
lover" BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA!!!] --editor's note

Lynn K.
---------------------------


"I had a somewhat similar situation 2 weeks ago. I got a call from the
city pound informing me that a dog that had once been in our Humane
Society program had been picked up and was scheduled to die the next
day. After much research, I found out that the dog was never really one
of ours, but that a foster home we had briefly used, then fired, took a
litter, let most die needlessly, and this was the sole survivor. I got
the dog extended 24 hours, sent 6 interested parties to the pound to see
the dog, and ran to the pound to let them know the owner's contact info.
It turns out that they knew well who the owner was - over 20
complaints against her and the dog had been picked up twice that month.
She went to Mexico for a long vacation and left the dog in the back
yard, trusting neighbors to throw food over the fence. To make it
worse, I evaluated the dog as unsafe, and then the dog went for a kennel
worker and was declared unsafe by the pound, and only available to us.
The pound would not let the owner reclaim the dog, even if she were
available to do so. So that left me with -
- a dog with unclear legal ownership
- an unsuitable owner who wanted the dog, but couldn't have the dog
- an unadoptable dog for the general public
- a dog that couldn't go to anyone who would be able to help him
- and no foster homes or resources to take him into our rescue program.

The dog died. And I had to tell that irresponsible owner on her return
why her dog had to die."

Lynn K.

[it's always a tragedy and the dog
just up and dies. But Lynn KILL
won't mention her part in the
killing. She condemned that innocent
dog to death simply because it got lost.
But Lynn Kill will ignore that.
Lynn K always blames
someone else when she is involved in
killing a perfectly good dog.

The organizations Lynn K is
a part of GET PAID TO KILL DOGS,
and somebody has to make up stupid
reasons to kill perfectly good dogs
Because the STATE is paying those
"shelters" to ELIMINATE dogs & puppies
Lynn K. plays a role in that capacity,
despite her lies and denials. The STATE
needs those dogs dead, and Lynn Kill
helps them achieve their objective, like
she did in her part in the confiscation
and murder of the lost dog in the case
above. The dog HAD TO DIE, because Lynn
KILL said so.]
--editor's note

-----------------------------


Shows you what you know. It was SF, not LA, and I evaluated Hera.
She was fear aggressive. Period. No training of any kind on that
dog, much to the DA's chagrin because he wanted to be able to charge
them with Murder 2.

Lynn K.

[Hera was one of the dogs involved in the San Francisco Diane Whipple
dog fatality. Lynn K. frequently brags that she was involved in
evaluating that dog. That dog, of course, was killed]
--editor's note


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



There's several threads going on now in .behavior about dominance problems.

In one of them (HELP! Life or Death...) I gave the 21 management rules I
use for a dominant dog. For real hardcases, the other option is to
escalate to a full NILIF regime. Frankly, any dog that doesn't respond
to either of those options is a rogue, unsafe, and should be destroyed.

Lynn K.


[Lynn K. does not pull any punches
when it comes to killing dogs or
recommending that they be killed for
not getting with the program, or for
jumping up and playing with volunteers
at one of her "shelters"

ARRRRRRRGH!!!] --editor's note
----------------------------------------



Lynn K.


--
michael
reporting live...
http://dogtv.com

http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg
http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg
http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg
http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg
http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg



================================================== ======
SHELLY IS THE ONLY ONE WHO DOESN'T THINK HATTIE IS STARVING

"when i got harriet she was emaciated, so i asked my vet for advice on
slowly adding weight to her. six months later i took harriet in for her
spring check-up and my vet was surprised that at how thin she still was."
--shelly couv.rette


"raises hand i've been told by three different vets that
harriet (53lbs) is *way* too skinny. we're still
vet-shopping, BTW."

--shelly couv.rette

"if you really can't resist
it when your dog pulls the "i'm starving!" routine G, you can give
him some frozen green beans or a small amount of plain pureed pumpkin.
i would also suggest putting the food out of his sight. i keep my
food--still inside the bags, which are tightly rolled down--inside
trash cans in the closed laundry room. that keeps it fresh and keeps
it out of my dogs' sight."

--shelly couv.rette

"heh. i get the opposite response. people think that poor little
harriet is positively starved to death. i've actually had people stop
me in the pet supply shop and tell me that i need to fatten her up!"

--shelly couv.rette


"i think that may be part of the problem. who wants to go to a
vet who tells you you're hurting your .widdle precious? i
think the other part is that some vets really don't *realize*
that what they consider proper weight is fat. after having
been told by a couple of vets that my dogs are too thin, i've
got a dim view of vets on that topic."

--shelly couv.rette

"my mom is kinda that way, but not *as* bad. she thinks that harriet is
awfully skinny, so feeding her table snax is okay. she tells me that
just a bite won't hurt."

--shelly couv.rette


NOBODY IS STARVING FAT PI.G SHELLY

NOBODY WILL STOP SHELLY ON THE STREET
AND TELL HER SHE IS STARVING HERSELF
shelly's fat face
http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette/Wshelly2.jpg
================================================== =====


There are a lot of big fat women on these groups who starve their dogs
out of vanity, but shelly is a special case.

shelly is moor.e than a little bit beyond the pale

Shelly has OCD, and maybe she's just a little obsessive about measuring
out extra tiny and discrete portions with a tiny measuring cup, or
counting out pieces of green bean or pumpkin that she gives her dogs
when they give her the "I'm Starving" routine. When grandma tried to
give Hattie a snack, shelly probably went apeshit, because it was in
violation of her Obsessive need to oversee every tiny calorie that goes
into her widdle precious' mouth.

shelly's a special case, a special kind of dog abuser.







Lynn K.

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  #2  
Old September 25th 03, 08:12 PM
mickael
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Default



Lynn K. wrote:


Most often the receptionist will immediately recognize the name and
say something like "Oh, the Smith's did everything they could for
their aged Fido. I'm so glad they're getting another dog. They're
wonderful owners." On occasion I'll hear something like "We've
treated 4 of their prior car hit dogs because they allow their pets to
run free, and they never paid any of the bills or authorized
treatment." That's stuff that the potential adopter isn't going to
volunteer.



Did you do a vet check on this dog?
Did you do a home visit for the people who wanted to adopt this dog?
Do you volunteer to your clients that you murder great, flashy,
dynamite, titled border collies because of fear of your insurance rates
going up?


----------------------------------
Lynn K, kills a great dog
----------------------------------

Exactly. A couple of years ago I evaluated a BC bitch in rescue who had
gotten in 20-25 bites on her foster family the 1st day in their home.
The problem was that there were a whole slew of people lined up who
wanted her because she was a dynamite herding dog, titled before she was
2, flashy, etc.. Most of these people were single women

[editor's note, like Melanie Lee Chang, who would
have had ZERO problems with this dog, even though
she's 1/10th the trainer Michael is]

into competitive herding who had no children or plans to have any.

Testing the dog revealed that she had a safety zone of about 3 ft and
would use her mouth to drive out anyone who came within that space
(other than whoever was holding her leash). She also would not tolerate
any entrance to her airspace. The deciding factor was that eye contact
was also a trigger and the severity of the bite increased with eye's
moved lowerer to her level. IOW, the shorter the person, the harder the
bite, and kids were shortest of all."

[This is HOWE lynn KillMooreDogs seals a
a dog's fate and this is HOWE SHE KILLS
DOGS. She kills them with WORDS, not with
poison. She lets sucker animal lovers or
sucker volunteers do the dirty work of
poisoning them and dumping their bodies,
after she condemns them to death with
her "evaluation"] --editor's note


We decided that even if we could feel perfectly safe with a person and
situation we placed her into, she still had to live in a world where
there were children and we couldn't, in good conscience, put a known
risk like her into that world. People's lives and situation change and
any adopter might have future contact with children that they don't have
at present.

She was put down.


[because of Lynn K.s Passionate concerns about
LIABILITY INSURANCE, the ONLY thing she cares
about, besides her REPUTATION as an "animal
lover" BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA!!!] --editor's note

Lynn K.

---------------------------------------------

MOOOOORE DOG KILLING FROM LYNN KILLMAKOS





LYNN K. "I'LL PUT A BITER DOWN AS FAST AS ANYONE"


==============================================
On her role in killing dogs in the SF Bay area, a role she claims she
doesn't play anymoore.
==============================================


"I'll put down a biter as fast as anyone - provided I have seen the
behavior and know that the dog is in fact a biter."
--Lynn K.

-----------------------------

"I've been in dogs for over 40 years and worked with
many rescue organizations and with shelters in 3 states. I've
been in the position of evaluating court-seized dogs in bite
cases."
--Lynn K.

------------------------------


No. I evaluated Hera. It wasn't all poor upbringing and management.

Lynn K.


--------------------------

Exactly. A couple of years ago I evaluated a BC bitch in rescue who had
gotten in 20-25 bites on her foster family the 1st day in their home.
The problem was that there were a whole slew of people lined up who
wanted her because she was a dynamite herding dog, titled before she was
2, flashy, etc.. Most of these people were single women

[editor's note, like Melanie Lee Chang, who would
have had ZERO problems with this dog, even though
she's 1/10th the trainer Michael is]

into competitive herding who had no children or plans to have any.

Testing the dog revealed that she had a safety zone of about 3 ft and
would use her mouth to drive out anyone who came within that space
(other than whoever was holding her leash). She also would not tolerate
any entrance to her airspace. The deciding factor was that eye contact
was also a trigger and the severity of the bite increased with eye's
moved lowerer to her level. IOW, the shorter the person, the harder the
bite, and kids were shortest of all."

[This is HOWE lynn KillMooreDogs seals a
a dog's fate and this is HOWE SHE KILLS
DOGS. She kills them with WORDS, not with
poison. She lets sucker animal lovers or
sucker volunteers do the dirty work of
poisoning them and dumping their bodies,
after she condemns them to death with
her "evaluation"] --editor's note


We decided that even if we could feel perfectly safe with a person and
situation we placed her into, she still had to live in a world where
there were children and we couldn't, in good conscience, put a known
risk like her into that world. People's lives and situation change and
any adopter might have future contact with children that they don't have
at present.

She was put down.


[because of Lynn K.s Passionate concerns about
LIABILITY INSURANCE, the ONLY thing she cares
about, besides her REPUTATION as an "animal
lover" BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA!!!] --editor's note

Lynn K.
---------------------------


"I had a somewhat similar situation 2 weeks ago. I got a call from the
city pound informing me that a dog that had once been in our Humane
Society program had been picked up and was scheduled to die the next
day. After much research, I found out that the dog was never really one
of ours, but that a foster home we had briefly used, then fired, took a
litter, let most die needlessly, and this was the sole survivor. I got
the dog extended 24 hours, sent 6 interested parties to the pound to see
the dog, and ran to the pound to let them know the owner's contact info.
It turns out that they knew well who the owner was - over 20
complaints against her and the dog had been picked up twice that month.
She went to Mexico for a long vacation and left the dog in the back
yard, trusting neighbors to throw food over the fence. To make it
worse, I evaluated the dog as unsafe, and then the dog went for a kennel
worker and was declared unsafe by the pound, and only available to us.
The pound would not let the owner reclaim the dog, even if she were
available to do so. So that left me with -
- a dog with unclear legal ownership
- an unsuitable owner who wanted the dog, but couldn't have the dog
- an unadoptable dog for the general public
- a dog that couldn't go to anyone who would be able to help him
- and no foster homes or resources to take him into our rescue program.

The dog died. And I had to tell that irresponsible owner on her return
why her dog had to die."

Lynn K.

[it's always a tragedy and the dog
just up and dies. But Lynn KILL
won't mention her part in the
killing. She condemned that innocent
dog to death simply because it got lost.
But Lynn Kill will ignore that.
Lynn K always blames
someone else when she is involved in
killing a perfectly good dog.

The organizations Lynn K is
a part of GET PAID TO KILL DOGS,
and somebody has to make up stupid
reasons to kill perfectly good dogs
Because the STATE is paying those
"shelters" to ELIMINATE dogs & puppies
Lynn K. plays a role in that capacity,
despite her lies and denials. The STATE
needs those dogs dead, and Lynn Kill
helps them achieve their objective, like
she did in her part in the confiscation
and murder of the lost dog in the case
above. The dog HAD TO DIE, because Lynn
KILL said so.]
--editor's note

-----------------------------


Shows you what you know. It was SF, not LA, and I evaluated Hera.
She was fear aggressive. Period. No training of any kind on that
dog, much to the DA's chagrin because he wanted to be able to charge
them with Murder 2.

Lynn K.

[Hera was one of the dogs involved in the San Francisco Diane Whipple
dog fatality. Lynn K. frequently brags that she was involved in
evaluating that dog. That dog, of course, was killed]
--editor's note


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



There's several threads going on now in .behavior about dominance problems.

In one of them (HELP! Life or Death...) I gave the 21 management rules I
use for a dominant dog. For real hardcases, the other option is to
escalate to a full NILIF regime. Frankly, any dog that doesn't respond
to either of those options is a rogue, unsafe, and should be destroyed.

Lynn K.


[Lynn K. does not pull any punches
when it comes to killing dogs or
recommending that they be killed for
not getting with the program, or for
jumping up and playing with volunteers
at one of her "shelters"

ARRRRRRRGH!!!] --editor's note
----------------------------------------



Lynn K.


--
michael
reporting live...
http://dogtv.com

http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg
http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg
http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg
http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg
http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg



================================================== ======
SHELLY IS THE ONLY ONE WHO DOESN'T THINK HATTIE IS STARVING

"when i got harriet she was emaciated, so i asked my vet for advice on
slowly adding weight to her. six months later i took harriet in for her
spring check-up and my vet was surprised that at how thin she still was."
--shelly couv.rette


"raises hand i've been told by three different vets that
harriet (53lbs) is *way* too skinny. we're still
vet-shopping, BTW."

--shelly couv.rette

"if you really can't resist
it when your dog pulls the "i'm starving!" routine G, you can give
him some frozen green beans or a small amount of plain pureed pumpkin.
i would also suggest putting the food out of his sight. i keep my
food--still inside the bags, which are tightly rolled down--inside
trash cans in the closed laundry room. that keeps it fresh and keeps
it out of my dogs' sight."

--shelly couv.rette

"heh. i get the opposite response. people think that poor little
harriet is positively starved to death. i've actually had people stop
me in the pet supply shop and tell me that i need to fatten her up!"

--shelly couv.rette


"i think that may be part of the problem. who wants to go to a
vet who tells you you're hurting your .widdle precious? i
think the other part is that some vets really don't *realize*
that what they consider proper weight is fat. after having
been told by a couple of vets that my dogs are too thin, i've
got a dim view of vets on that topic."

--shelly couv.rette

"my mom is kinda that way, but not *as* bad. she thinks that harriet is
awfully skinny, so feeding her table snax is okay. she tells me that
just a bite won't hurt."

--shelly couv.rette


NOBODY IS STARVING FAT PI.G SHELLY

NOBODY WILL STOP SHELLY ON THE STREET
AND TELL HER SHE IS STARVING HERSELF
shelly's fat face
http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette/Wshelly2.jpg
================================================== =====


There are a lot of big fat women on these groups who starve their dogs
out of vanity, but shelly is a special case.

shelly is moor.e than a little bit beyond the pale

Shelly has OCD, and maybe she's just a little obsessive about measuring
out extra tiny and discrete portions with a tiny measuring cup, or
counting out pieces of green bean or pumpkin that she gives her dogs
when they give her the "I'm Starving" routine. When grandma tried to
give Hattie a snack, shelly probably went apeshit, because it was in
violation of her Obsessive need to oversee every tiny calorie that goes
into her widdle precious' mouth.

shelly's a special case, a special kind of dog abuser.







Lynn K.

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Lynn K.


  #3  
Old September 26th 03, 03:27 PM
Mental Hea_lth Helper
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default Home Visit Checklist?



Gwen Watson wrote:


"sighthounds etc." wrote:


Again, you're missing a huge point. A home visit for many groups is
not a home 'check'. It is a personal interview in the environment in
which the adopted dog will live.

Mustang Sally



No I am not missing that point as I have said in several
posts that I understand whys and why fors. I guess
I need to copy and paste all them so it can be
seen. They ARE necessary. One can't be
too careful and it is just part of how a
responsible rescue works. It is a MUST.
Yet..................

I am just saying there is, especially after 911
a huge population of people who have
become cautious and leery of ppl
in their homes. Which to me could
hurt dogs in a rigid rescue situation.

I know Lab rescue is FULL! Always FULL.
So a vast majority never make it to rescue
but instead they are at shelters and *many* times
they are getting euthanized. Now of course
the irresponsible BYB's are to blame for
this in most cases.



Nobody is to blame for killing dogs but the people who kill them, Gwen.
We could do the same thing with children, but we don't kill children out
of "kindness" when they don't have a home or because of "lack of space
and resources" and we don't blame the mothers for the children we kill,
because we don't kill the children.

We kill dogs because we get paid to kill dogs. Sally will explain that
to you.

Any questions?

Backyard breeders don't kill dogs. People like Sally do, while she sat
on the Board, as president, of the Animal Protection League.

Sally has lots of blood on her hands. A Backyard breeder makes dogs
live. Sally and her ilk make them dead.

m life
live..
dogtv. dott com






Though I suspect
there have been enough ppl obtain
from responsible breeders as well
and a dog still ends up in a shelter.

Gwen


  #4  
Old September 26th 03, 03:27 PM
Mental Hea_lth Helper
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default



Gwen Watson wrote:


"sighthounds etc." wrote:


Again, you're missing a huge point. A home visit for many groups is
not a home 'check'. It is a personal interview in the environment in
which the adopted dog will live.

Mustang Sally



No I am not missing that point as I have said in several
posts that I understand whys and why fors. I guess
I need to copy and paste all them so it can be
seen. They ARE necessary. One can't be
too careful and it is just part of how a
responsible rescue works. It is a MUST.
Yet..................

I am just saying there is, especially after 911
a huge population of people who have
become cautious and leery of ppl
in their homes. Which to me could
hurt dogs in a rigid rescue situation.

I know Lab rescue is FULL! Always FULL.
So a vast majority never make it to rescue
but instead they are at shelters and *many* times
they are getting euthanized. Now of course
the irresponsible BYB's are to blame for
this in most cases.



Nobody is to blame for killing dogs but the people who kill them, Gwen.
We could do the same thing with children, but we don't kill children out
of "kindness" when they don't have a home or because of "lack of space
and resources" and we don't blame the mothers for the children we kill,
because we don't kill the children.

We kill dogs because we get paid to kill dogs. Sally will explain that
to you.

Any questions?

Backyard breeders don't kill dogs. People like Sally do, while she sat
on the Board, as president, of the Animal Protection League.

Sally has lots of blood on her hands. A Backyard breeder makes dogs
live. Sally and her ilk make them dead.

m life
live..
dogtv. dott com






Though I suspect
there have been enough ppl obtain
from responsible breeders as well
and a dog still ends up in a shelter.

Gwen


  #5  
Old September 26th 03, 03:27 PM
Mental Hea_lth Helper
external usenet poster
 
Posts: n/a
Default



Gwen Watson wrote:


"sighthounds etc." wrote:


Again, you're missing a huge point. A home visit for many groups is
not a home 'check'. It is a personal interview in the environment in
which the adopted dog will live.

Mustang Sally



No I am not missing that point as I have said in several
posts that I understand whys and why fors. I guess
I need to copy and paste all them so it can be
seen. They ARE necessary. One can't be
too careful and it is just part of how a
responsible rescue works. It is a MUST.
Yet..................

I am just saying there is, especially after 911
a huge population of people who have
become cautious and leery of ppl
in their homes. Which to me could
hurt dogs in a rigid rescue situation.

I know Lab rescue is FULL! Always FULL.
So a vast majority never make it to rescue
but instead they are at shelters and *many* times
they are getting euthanized. Now of course
the irresponsible BYB's are to blame for
this in most cases.



Nobody is to blame for killing dogs but the people who kill them, Gwen.
We could do the same thing with children, but we don't kill children out
of "kindness" when they don't have a home or because of "lack of space
and resources" and we don't blame the mothers for the children we kill,
because we don't kill the children.

We kill dogs because we get paid to kill dogs. Sally will explain that
to you.

Any questions?

Backyard breeders don't kill dogs. People like Sally do, while she sat
on the Board, as president, of the Animal Protection League.

Sally has lots of blood on her hands. A Backyard breeder makes dogs
live. Sally and her ilk make them dead.

m life
live..
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Though I suspect
there have been enough ppl obtain
from responsible breeders as well
and a dog still ends up in a shelter.

Gwen


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Tara O. wrote:
"Gwen Watson" wrote in message
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Very similar to many PetsMart trainers is what
we have around here as far as rescue volunteers.



Okay, I couldn't keep quiet like I wanted. How do you know the caliber of
rescuers in your area?


You MURDERED your own Boxer named Summer, out of fear and ignorance and
incompetence. Jerry offered to give her a home and you murdered her
anyway, just so that he wouldn't make you look bad. And if you're one of
the important people in Boxer "rescue" in your area, that's how we know
about you.

HTH!!!


michael
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As for my volunteers, I can tell you that all of
them started out the same as a petsmart trainer. They got on-the-job
training.


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Tara O. wrote:
"Gwen Watson" wrote in message
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Very similar to many PetsMart trainers is what
we have around here as far as rescue volunteers.



Okay, I couldn't keep quiet like I wanted. How do you know the caliber of
rescuers in your area?


You MURDERED your own Boxer named Summer, out of fear and ignorance and
incompetence. Jerry offered to give her a home and you murdered her
anyway, just so that he wouldn't make you look bad. And if you're one of
the important people in Boxer "rescue" in your area, that's how we know
about you.

HTH!!!


michael
live...
http://dogtv.com


As for my volunteers, I can tell you that all of
them started out the same as a petsmart trainer. They got on-the-job
training.


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Tara O. wrote:
"Gwen Watson" wrote in message
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Very similar to many PetsMart trainers is what
we have around here as far as rescue volunteers.



Okay, I couldn't keep quiet like I wanted. How do you know the caliber of
rescuers in your area?


You MURDERED your own Boxer named Summer, out of fear and ignorance and
incompetence. Jerry offered to give her a home and you murdered her
anyway, just so that he wouldn't make you look bad. And if you're one of
the important people in Boxer "rescue" in your area, that's how we know
about you.

HTH!!!


michael
live...
http://dogtv.com


As for my volunteers, I can tell you that all of
them started out the same as a petsmart trainer. They got on-the-job
training.


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It's easy to be sensitive after you murdered your own Boxer, and when
you are a respected Boxer "rescuer" in the SE US.

I can see why you are sensitive to someone like Gwen questioning the
credentials of home visit checkers.

Maybe Gwen should have an application for them to fill out before they
do the home visit.

Home Visitor Questionnaire

1. Have you killed any of your own dogs?
2. If so, why?
3. When you killed them, was there anyone
else offering the dog a home?
4. If so, why did you murder your own dog
when someone else was willing to rescue
the boxer from the boxer rescuer?


micha
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Tara O. wrote:

"Gwen Watson" wrote in message
...


"Tara O." wrote:

The two most common for me are dog/dog problems


Dog dog problems? How shocking and you have done
the wonderful HV and there is still dog/dog problems.


in the home and a lack of
bonding between adopter and dog so the little things (things normal to


the

breed) get under the adopter's skin too easily.


Common excuse for so many dogs today. And again HV?


Lack of committment would
sum it up nicely.


Ummmmmmm like I said manditory training is critical
for a good relationship.


Very few of our dogs go out of this rescue needing alot
of training.


Who said alot. But they haven't been trained by new owner.
Very critical. Each persons style and tone is different.


They learn basic manners, basic commands and are worked with
on any issues like mouthing or jumping up. Basic obedience for these


dogs

would really be just reiteration.

--
Tara


No not just to reiterate but to get a bond and respect between
the dog and new owner.



You know, after the really cheap shot you made about rescuers and having
killed a dog for lack of control, your other snide comments, and the really
BITCHY tone of the first few comments in this post, you don't deserve a
response. I'm going to give one to you though before I place you in my
killfile, where you so richly deserve to be after this afternoon's comments.

1. Homevisits don't tell you **** about how a dog and adopter will bond
2. Homevisits don't tell you **** about how the two dogs will do living
together
3. Obedience clauses have been in my adoption contract for 2 years
4. It was me who stated that the biggest benefit is the bonding issue,
something you're now talking about when before it was "training & safety"
being the critical points.

Cya



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It's easy to be sensitive after you murdered your own Boxer, and when
you are a respected Boxer "rescuer" in the SE US.

I can see why you are sensitive to someone like Gwen questioning the
credentials of home visit checkers.

Maybe Gwen should have an application for them to fill out before they
do the home visit.

Home Visitor Questionnaire

1. Have you killed any of your own dogs?
2. If so, why?
3. When you killed them, was there anyone
else offering the dog a home?
4. If so, why did you murder your own dog
when someone else was willing to rescue
the boxer from the boxer rescuer?


micha
elreportinglive
http://dogtv.com/





Tara O. wrote:

"Gwen Watson" wrote in message
...


"Tara O." wrote:

The two most common for me are dog/dog problems


Dog dog problems? How shocking and you have done
the wonderful HV and there is still dog/dog problems.


in the home and a lack of
bonding between adopter and dog so the little things (things normal to


the

breed) get under the adopter's skin too easily.


Common excuse for so many dogs today. And again HV?


Lack of committment would
sum it up nicely.


Ummmmmmm like I said manditory training is critical
for a good relationship.


Very few of our dogs go out of this rescue needing alot
of training.


Who said alot. But they haven't been trained by new owner.
Very critical. Each persons style and tone is different.


They learn basic manners, basic commands and are worked with
on any issues like mouthing or jumping up. Basic obedience for these


dogs

would really be just reiteration.

--
Tara


No not just to reiterate but to get a bond and respect between
the dog and new owner.



You know, after the really cheap shot you made about rescuers and having
killed a dog for lack of control, your other snide comments, and the really
BITCHY tone of the first few comments in this post, you don't deserve a
response. I'm going to give one to you though before I place you in my
killfile, where you so richly deserve to be after this afternoon's comments.

1. Homevisits don't tell you **** about how a dog and adopter will bond
2. Homevisits don't tell you **** about how the two dogs will do living
together
3. Obedience clauses have been in my adoption contract for 2 years
4. It was me who stated that the biggest benefit is the bonding issue,
something you're now talking about when before it was "training & safety"
being the critical points.

Cya



 




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