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Messing In Kennel
Hi there. I am very new at the group thing...and have never been
involved in one so forgive me if I am not going about this correctly. My husband and I just purchased a new puppy (the fourth of our four-legged furry friends)....anyhow it is a german short hair/ lab cross and will be trained as my husbands second hunting companion. Anyhow...we got her at 6 weeks and she is now 9 weeks....for the last three weeks she has been pooping in her kennel non-stop and we are constantly having to clean her and the mess in the kennel....since she steps, lays in it etc.... Anyhow in all other areas she seems to be doing fine even with not going in the house.....but we are NOT sure how to get her to stop this. She appears to have a nervous condition with the kennel...that may trigger the pooping? Is that possible? Someone who has been there please help......... Snackle |
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On 3 Jan 2007 07:18:49 -0800, "Snackle" , clicked
their heels and said: Anyhow...we got her at 6 weeks and she is now 9 weeks....for the last three weeks she has been pooping in her kennel non-stop Can you define non-stop? How frequently? What consistency? How long is she crated for at a stretch? Does it happen more during one period of time than another? Where is her kennel? What is she fed? Has she been wormed? She appears to have a nervous condition with the kennel...that may trigger the pooping? Is that possible? Sure, anything is possible. How does she act nervous in/about the kennel? What hours is she in there, where is it located, how does she display her anxiety (other than the pooping)? -- Janet Boss www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com |
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She Acts nervous because she cries.......we have her kennel in the
basement in a utility because she keeps us up all night....we have a radio for her down there. But there are times when she does not cry and sleeps in there as well so she isn't nervous all the time I don't think. We have never used her kennel as a means of punishment or anything like that and so she couldn't relate that to anything negative. We keep her in there during the day which is a long stretch of 8 hours because we can';t run home at our lunch hour...so we are understanding that she is messing in there during the day....but the evenings is when we are concerned because she is let out periodically and goes outside and as soon as she is put in her kennel minutes later sometimes she has messed. Janet B wrote: On 3 Jan 2007 07:18:49 -0800, "Snackle" , clicked their heels and said: Anyhow...we got her at 6 weeks and she is now 9 weeks....for the last three weeks she has been pooping in her kennel non-stop Can you define non-stop? How frequently? What consistency? How long is she crated for at a stretch? Does it happen more during one period of time than another? Where is her kennel? What is she fed? Has she been wormed? She appears to have a nervous condition with the kennel...that may trigger the pooping? Is that possible? Sure, anything is possible. How does she act nervous in/about the kennel? What hours is she in there, where is it located, how does she display her anxiety (other than the pooping)? -- Janet Boss www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com |
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She Acts nervous because she cries.......we have her kennel in the
basement in a utility because she keeps us up all night....we have a radio for her down there. But there are times when she does not cry and sleeps in there as well so she isn't nervous all the time I don't think. We have never used her kennel as a means of punishment or anything like that and so she couldn't relate that to anything negative. We keep her in there during the day which is a long stretch of 8 hours because we can';t run home at our lunch hour...so we are understanding that she is messing in there during the day....but the evenings is when we are concerned because she is let out periodically and goes outside and as soon as she is put in her kennel minutes later sometimes she has messed. Janet B wrote: On 3 Jan 2007 07:18:49 -0800, "Snackle" , clicked their heels and said: Anyhow...we got her at 6 weeks and she is now 9 weeks....for the last three weeks she has been pooping in her kennel non-stop Can you define non-stop? How frequently? What consistency? How long is she crated for at a stretch? Does it happen more during one period of time than another? Where is her kennel? What is she fed? Has she been wormed? She appears to have a nervous condition with the kennel...that may trigger the pooping? Is that possible? Sure, anything is possible. How does she act nervous in/about the kennel? What hours is she in there, where is it located, how does she display her anxiety (other than the pooping)? -- Janet Boss www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com |
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On 3 Jan 2007 07:41:25 -0800, "Snackle" , clicked
their heels and said: She Acts nervous because she cries.... Crying can be being lonely, confusion, discomfort, anxiety. I wouldn't call that "nervous". ...we have her kennel in the basement in a utility because she keeps us up all night....we have a radio for her down there. She's been isolated and she's a very young puppy. She would gain more security being near you, or at the very least, your other dogs. We keep her in there during the day which is a long stretch of 8 hours because we can';t run home at our lunch hour... It's irresponsible to do that to a puppy. Hire someone. Give her an x-pen area and litterbox train her for now. But you cannot put her in a crate all day and expect that she won't make a mess, and you're conditioning her to accept being dirty. so we are understanding that she is messing in there during the day.... You shouldn't be understanding, you should understand that what you're doing is not fair to her at all. She needs feeding midday, as well as outings, and companionship. but the evenings is when we are concerned because she is let out periodically and goes outside and as soon as she is put in her kennel minutes later sometimes she has messed. Letting a puppy out doesn't housebreak one. She probably goes out and plays around then comes in and OOPS - she still needs to eliminate! Not much choice but to go in her crate if that's where you're putting her. TAKING her out, praising her for going as asked, teaching her to live in the house, scheduling food and outings, does. She needs you to step up to the plate and put some effort into raising her - puppies don't know right from wrong on their own. -- Janet Boss www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com |
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First of all I appreciate the advice and will definately do what I
can.....but it is unfair for you to judge that I do not take the time with my puppy........we do not live in some big city that we can just hire someone to be there with her during the day....we live in a tiny town prractically in the middle of nowhere and in fact don't know many people there especially ones who will stop over and let her out for us.......and we DO definately give her LOTS and LOTS of attention and we praise her also we love our animals and certainly woudn't want to do anything that wasn't in their best interests..........as far as an x-pen area....I am not even sure what that is unless it is just a fancy term for a pen or exercise pen...???.....but would love to look into something like that......if I could have a suggestion as to what type of pen I should use for a dog who is growing like a weed and will not be a small dog for long that would be super I would look into that....... But we are NOT irresponsible...we just don't have the resourses available and weren't prepared (or at least I wasn't) for a puppy....my husband just brought her home from a business trip...and I am left to find solutions on what to do for her....... We live in a cold climate so she isn't left outside for long periods of time and she is often too cold to do her business probably....I will however do better about monitoring her out there and will work to praise her more...,...I think we have started this off by you getting the wrong picture in your head about me....I am not like those scums on animal planet that torture their animals.....we really do love them......which is why I am seeking advice!!! Janet B wrote: On 3 Jan 2007 07:41:25 -0800, "Snackle" , clicked their heels and said: She Acts nervous because she cries.... Crying can be being lonely, confusion, discomfort, anxiety. I wouldn't call that "nervous". ...we have her kennel in the basement in a utility because she keeps us up all night....we have a radio for her down there. She's been isolated and she's a very young puppy. She would gain more security being near you, or at the very least, your other dogs. We keep her in there during the day which is a long stretch of 8 hours because we can';t run home at our lunch hour... It's irresponsible to do that to a puppy. Hire someone. Give her an x-pen area and litterbox train her for now. But you cannot put her in a crate all day and expect that she won't make a mess, and you're conditioning her to accept being dirty. so we are understanding that she is messing in there during the day.... You shouldn't be understanding, you should understand that what you're doing is not fair to her at all. She needs feeding midday, as well as outings, and companionship. but the evenings is when we are concerned because she is let out periodically and goes outside and as soon as she is put in her kennel minutes later sometimes she has messed. Letting a puppy out doesn't housebreak one. She probably goes out and plays around then comes in and OOPS - she still needs to eliminate! Not much choice but to go in her crate if that's where you're putting her. TAKING her out, praising her for going as asked, teaching her to live in the house, scheduling food and outings, does. She needs you to step up to the plate and put some effort into raising her - puppies don't know right from wrong on their own. -- Janet Boss www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com |
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Thank you Suja for the advice......it has been awhile since we have
been down this road with a puppy and honestly all the things you said are things we once did.......now with a small child added to the mix we are getting lazy and again like I said before I was not prepared for the puppy.....I will start working on better solutions when I get home this evening.....I will be back with updates.......still taking suggestions on a type of pen to use since hiring someone to come seems nearly impossible.......I do want to keep in mind ....she will not be in the house forever...she will be an outside dog.....but is obviously too small at this time. Suja wrote: "Snackle" wrote in message: She Acts nervous because she cries.......we have her kennel in the basement in a utility because she keeps us up all night....we have a radio for her down there. Dogs are pack animals. You are now her pack, and she's crying because she's isolated from her pack. Part of puppy raising involves not getting any sleep for a few months, so move her crate to where you sleep so she can see/hear/smell you, set an alarm and wake up to take her out every 2-3 hours, or whenever she starts moving about/whining. We keep her in there during the day which is a long stretch of 8 hours because we can';t run home at our lunch hour...so we are understanding that she is messing in there during the day.... By allowing her to mess in her crate during the day, you're teaching her that it is okay for her to go in there. This is going to make housebreaking the pup a lot more difficult in the long run. If you can't come home during the day to let her out (and she probably needs to go out every 2-3 hours at this point), hire someone (a dog walker, a neighborhood kid or retiree) to help you out. the evenings is when we are concerned because she is let out periodically and goes outside and as soon as she is put in her kennel minutes later sometimes she has messed. You should not be letting her out, you take your pup out on leash. Puppies have notoriously short attention spans, and while she may have gone out with the intention of peeing, she may have been distracted by something, and only remembered to relieve herself after coming back in. You need to stay out there, and remind her of what she needs to do. Associating a cue with the action is a good way to do this. You also need to let her know that she is a very good pup for going outside, and praise/treat/play (whatever she enjoys) as soon as she does her business. The other problem is that she is learning that her kennel is the place where she needs to go, so it is no wonder that she opts to go in there instead of outside. She has absolutely no clue what is acceptable behavior, and you need to teach her. Here is a good write-up on how to housetrain puppies: http://www.ddfl.org/behavior/pup-housetrain.pdf Suja |
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Thank you Suja for the advice......it has been awhile since we have
been down this road with a puppy and honestly all the things you said are things we once did.......now with a small child added to the mix we are getting lazy and again like I said before I was not prepared for the puppy.....I will start working on better solutions when I get home this evening.....I will be back with updates.......still taking suggestions on a type of pen to use since hiring someone to come seems nearly impossible.......I do want to keep in mind ....she will not be in the house forever...she will be an outside dog.....but is obviously too small at this time. Suja wrote: "Snackle" wrote in message: She Acts nervous because she cries.......we have her kennel in the basement in a utility because she keeps us up all night....we have a radio for her down there. Dogs are pack animals. You are now her pack, and she's crying because she's isolated from her pack. Part of puppy raising involves not getting any sleep for a few months, so move her crate to where you sleep so she can see/hear/smell you, set an alarm and wake up to take her out every 2-3 hours, or whenever she starts moving about/whining. We keep her in there during the day which is a long stretch of 8 hours because we can';t run home at our lunch hour...so we are understanding that she is messing in there during the day.... By allowing her to mess in her crate during the day, you're teaching her that it is okay for her to go in there. This is going to make housebreaking the pup a lot more difficult in the long run. If you can't come home during the day to let her out (and she probably needs to go out every 2-3 hours at this point), hire someone (a dog walker, a neighborhood kid or retiree) to help you out. the evenings is when we are concerned because she is let out periodically and goes outside and as soon as she is put in her kennel minutes later sometimes she has messed. You should not be letting her out, you take your pup out on leash. Puppies have notoriously short attention spans, and while she may have gone out with the intention of peeing, she may have been distracted by something, and only remembered to relieve herself after coming back in. You need to stay out there, and remind her of what she needs to do. Associating a cue with the action is a good way to do this. You also need to let her know that she is a very good pup for going outside, and praise/treat/play (whatever she enjoys) as soon as she does her business. The other problem is that she is learning that her kennel is the place where she needs to go, so it is no wonder that she opts to go in there instead of outside. She has absolutely no clue what is acceptable behavior, and you need to teach her. Here is a good write-up on how to housetrain puppies: http://www.ddfl.org/behavior/pup-housetrain.pdf Suja |
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"Snackle" wrote in message: She Acts nervous because she cries.......we have her kennel in the basement in a utility because she keeps us up all night....we have a radio for her down there. Dogs are pack animals. You are now her pack, and she's crying because she's isolated from her pack. Part of puppy raising involves not getting any sleep for a few months, so move her crate to where you sleep so she can see/hear/smell you, set an alarm and wake up to take her out every 2-3 hours, or whenever she starts moving about/whining. We keep her in there during the day which is a long stretch of 8 hours because we can';t run home at our lunch hour...so we are understanding that she is messing in there during the day.... By allowing her to mess in her crate during the day, you're teaching her that it is okay for her to go in there. This is going to make housebreaking the pup a lot more difficult in the long run. If you can't come home during the day to let her out (and she probably needs to go out every 2-3 hours at this point), hire someone (a dog walker, a neighborhood kid or retiree) to help you out. the evenings is when we are concerned because she is let out periodically and goes outside and as soon as she is put in her kennel minutes later sometimes she has messed. You should not be letting her out, you take your pup out on leash. Puppies have notoriously short attention spans, and while she may have gone out with the intention of peeing, she may have been distracted by something, and only remembered to relieve herself after coming back in. You need to stay out there, and remind her of what she needs to do. Associating a cue with the action is a good way to do this. You also need to let her know that she is a very good pup for going outside, and praise/treat/play (whatever she enjoys) as soon as she does her business. The other problem is that she is learning that her kennel is the place where she needs to go, so it is no wonder that she opts to go in there instead of outside. She has absolutely no clue what is acceptable behavior, and you need to teach her. Here is a good write-up on how to housetrain puppies: http://www.ddfl.org/behavior/pup-housetrain.pdf Suja |
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On 3 Jan 2007 08:06:43 -0800, "Snackle" , clicked
their heels and said: First of all I appreciate the advice and will definately do what I can.....but it is unfair for you to judge that I do not take the time with my puppy...... I'm sorry, but it's not. Puppies can't just be put in a box for 8 hours. They're a big commitment and one that not everyone can take on. ..we do not live in some big city that we can just hire someone to be there with her during the day....we live in a tiny town prractically in the middle of nowhere and in fact don't know many people there especially ones who will stop over and let her out for us....... I bet if you called your vet's office, they may be able to point you in the direction of someone you can HIRE. Petsitters exist a lot of places, you'd be surprised. That's probably a good first attempt, but if you have a local shelter, they may know too. and we DO definately give her LOTS and LOTS of attention and we praise her also we love our animals and certainly woudn't want to do anything that wasn't in their best interests...... Your words were "we let her out", not "we take her out and make sure she eliminates and praise her". The first doesn't get you very far with housebreaking, while the second one does. You want to be successful, so it's important to do whatever you can to make it so! ....as far as an x-pen area....I am not even sure what that is unless it is just a fancy term for a pen or exercise pen...???.....but would love to look into something like that......if I could have a suggestion as to what type of pen I should use for a dog who is growing like a weed and will not be a small dog for long that would be super I would look into that....... X-pen is shorthand for exercise pen. You can buy them from many online retailers. I personally would get the tallest and largest possible - it can always be made smaller if needed, and can comform to space. It's still not ideal, but it's better than a crate for 8 hours. But we are NOT irresponsible...we just don't have the resourses available and weren't prepared (or at least I wasn't) for a puppy... That says it all. Resources and preparedness are pretty huge when it comes to bringing a living being into your life! One of the regulars here had a surprise litter of puppies recently. Preparedness didn't exist. She got into gear pretty fast though, to give those puppies everything they need. Puppies need us to provide what they need. Not always simple or convenient, but necessary! .my husband just brought her home from a business trip...and I am left to find solutions on what to do for her....... Is *HE* helping with any of those solutions? ARGHHH - surprises are such bad ideas so much of the time. We live in a cold climate so she isn't left outside for long periods of time and she is often too cold to do her business probably....I will however do better about monitoring her out there and will work to praise her more...,.. That's essential. Take her out on leash (even if you have a fenced yard). She needs to learn to eliminate first, play later. It can be tough for a pup who has already learned to do the latter, but if you are consistent, she'll get the hang of it. I generally give 5 minutes, then come back in and keep her with you for 5-10 minutes and try again. She gets no freedom until she eliminates, when you know she should need to (a benefit of meal scheduling). I would usually say you can use the crate for this, but since she's already developed her habit of eliminating in there, I would use a leash or gated or closed doors. .I think we have started this off by you getting the wrong picture in your head about me....I am not like those scums on animal planet that torture their animals.....we really do love them......which is why I am seeking advice!!! I don't think your scum and don't think you torture animals. But your puppy needs an awful lot more than she's getting, so feedings, outings, exercise, supervision, companionship - all of those things are things you can change and make better, if you put forth the effort. She's counting on you! -- Janet Boss www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com |
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