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When a dog bites (the dog murderer Lynn Kill gives the STATE'S perspective)
On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:30:23 -0600, "Jokerpit"
wrote: very well said m-ichael That's it. Plonk Mustang Sally "^m-ichael" wrote in message ws.com... : : : Lynn K. wrote: : Gwen Watson wrote in message news: : : So without : a license for said dog can an AC still demand surrender of that : dog. : : : Absolutely. They can also come onto the property and seize the dog : without your presence or permission (or search warrant) if they know : the dog is there (hear barking, dog bowl or feces in yard, etc.) The : license is just another thing that indicates the dog is on the : property and I only brought it up because Paulette was under the : misimpression that a search warrant was needed to take a dog from : private property. Bear in mind - this is a good thing : : No it's not a good thing you mindless jackbooted pigthugnazi domestic : terrorist. All you care about is the police being able to do whatever : they want. All you care about is that nothing gets in the way of police : being able to seize and kill a dog for some minor infraction. : : You're a despicable human being. Get the **** out of dog "rescue." : You're no friend of dogs. I wouldn't let a dog within 50 miles of you or : anyone of your friends in law enforcement. : : You're a dog murdering thug and a staunch advocate for dog murdering : everywhere. : : You make me physically ill. : : : Have a nice day!!! : : : : ----------------------------------------------- : Subject: I Got dead today, courtesy of Lynn K, sincerely, a Border : Collie ( it was magical and mystical and artistic) : This is the only article in this thread : View: Original Format : Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior, rec.pets.dogs.rescue, : rec.pets.dogs.breeds : Date: 2003-09-01 09:13:41 PST : : : Lynn K. wrote: : : : After a couple of years of watching and helping at herding trials I : don't even pretend to understand all the nuances of what I'm watching, : even when scribing. But every artist needs an audience and I have : learned enough to recognize the artistry of a lot of the BCs I've seen : : : Yeah, you recognize artistry alright, just like you recognized it in : this Border Collie, who was titled, flashy, dynamite, and looking for a : great home and a great life with an owner like Melanie Lee Chang, who, : even though she's not terribly bright or talented of a trainer (and : doesn't know much about Biology), would have had ZERO problems with this : dog. : : But no, no, no, no, instead of giving this dog a great life, you : artistically ****ING MURDERED her you LITHIUM and ZOLOFT DOPED up DOG : MURDERING F#%KING MANIAC. : : Artistic and Magic my ass you mindless brazen dog slaughterer. Here's a : few more of your victims. Never mind the puppies who jump on volunteers : who have to DIE as a result at the "shelters" where you "evaluate" and : "rescue" dogs. : : BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!! : : ---------------------------------- : Lynn K, kills a great dog : ---------------------------------- : : Exactly. A couple of years ago I evaluated a BC bitch in rescue who had : gotten in 20-25 bites on her foster family the 1st day in their home. : The problem was that there were a whole slew of people lined up who : wanted her because she was a dynamite herding dog, titled before she was : 2, flashy, etc.. Most of these people were single women : : [editor's note, like Melanie Lee Chang, who would : have had ZERO problems with this dog, even though : she's 1/10th the trainer Michael is] : : into competitive herding who had no children or plans to have any. : : Testing the dog revealed that she had a safety zone of about 3 ft and : would use her mouth to drive out anyone who came within that space : (other than whoever was holding her leash). She also would not tolerate : any entrance to her airspace. The deciding factor was that eye contact : was also a trigger and the severity of the bite increased with eye's : moved lowerer to her level. IOW, the shorter the person, the harder the : bite, and kids were shortest of all." : : [This is HOWE lynn KillMooreDogs seals a : a dog's fate and this is HOWE SHE KILLS : DOGS. She kills them with WORDS, not with : poison. She lets sucker animal lovers or : sucker volunteers do the dirty work of : poisoning them and dumping their bodies, : after she condemns them to death with : her "evaluation"] --editor's note : : : We decided that even if we could feel perfectly safe with a person and : situation we placed her into, she still had to live in a world where : there were children and we couldn't, in good conscience, put a known : risk like her into that world. People's lives and situation change and : any adopter might have future contact with children that they don't have : at present. : : She was put down. : : : [because of Lynn K.s Passionate concerns about : LIABILITY INSURANCE, the ONLY thing she cares : about, besides her REPUTATION as an "animal : lover" BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA!!!] --editor's note : : Lynn K. : : --------------------------------------------- : : MOOOOORE DOG KILLING FROM LYNN KILLMAKOS : : : : : : LYNN K. "I'LL PUT A BITER DOWN AS FAST AS ANYONE" : : : ============================================== : On her role in killing dogs in the SF Bay area, a role she claims she : doesn't play anymoore. : ============================================== : : : "I'll put down a biter as fast as anyone - provided I have seen the : behavior and know that the dog is in fact a biter." : --Lynn K. : : ----------------------------- : : "I've been in dogs for over 40 years and worked with : many rescue organizations and with shelters in 3 states. I've : been in the position of evaluating court-seized dogs in bite : cases." : --Lynn K. : : ------------------------------ : : : No. I evaluated Hera. It wasn't all poor upbringing and management. : : Lynn K. : : : -------------------------- : : Exactly. A couple of years ago I evaluated a BC bitch in rescue who had : gotten in 20-25 bites on her foster family the 1st day in their home. : The problem was that there were a whole slew of people lined up who : wanted her because she was a dynamite herding dog, titled before she was : 2, flashy, etc.. Most of these people were single women : : [editor's note, like Melanie Lee Chang, who would : have had ZERO problems with this dog, even though : she's 1/10th the trainer Michael is] : : into competitive herding who had no children or plans to have any. : : Testing the dog revealed that she had a safety zone of about 3 ft and : would use her mouth to drive out anyone who came within that space : (other than whoever was holding her leash). She also would not tolerate : any entrance to her airspace. The deciding factor was that eye contact : was also a trigger and the severity of the bite increased with eye's : moved lowerer to her level. IOW, the shorter the person, the harder the : bite, and kids were shortest of all." : : [This is HOWE lynn KillMooreDogs seals a : a dog's fate and this is HOWE SHE KILLS : DOGS. She kills them with WORDS, not with : poison. She lets sucker animal lovers or : sucker volunteers do the dirty work of : poisoning them and dumping their bodies, : after she condemns them to death with : her "evaluation"] --editor's note : : : We decided that even if we could feel perfectly safe with a person and : situation we placed her into, she still had to live in a world where : there were children and we couldn't, in good conscience, put a known : risk like her into that world. People's lives and situation change and : any adopter might have future contact with children that they don't have : at present. : : She was put down. : : : [because of Lynn K.s Passionate concerns about : LIABILITY INSURANCE, the ONLY thing she cares : about, besides her REPUTATION as an "animal : lover" BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA!!!] --editor's note : : Lynn K. : --------------------------- : : : "I had a somewhat similar situation 2 weeks ago. I got a call from the : city pound informing me that a dog that had once been in our Humane : Society program had been picked up and was scheduled to die the next : day. After much research, I found out that the dog was never really one : of ours, but that a foster home we had briefly used, then fired, took a : litter, let most die needlessly, and this was the sole survivor. I got : the dog extended 24 hours, sent 6 interested parties to the pound to see : the dog, and ran to the pound to let them know the owner's contact info. : It turns out that they knew well who the owner was - over 20 : complaints against her and the dog had been picked up twice that month. : She went to Mexico for a long vacation and left the dog in the back : yard, trusting neighbors to throw food over the fence. To make it : worse, I evaluated the dog as unsafe, and then the dog went for a kennel : worker and was declared unsafe by the pound, and only available to us. : The pound would not let the owner reclaim the dog, even if she were : available to do so. So that left me with - : - a dog with unclear legal ownership : - an unsuitable owner who wanted the dog, but couldn't have the dog : - an unadoptable dog for the general public : - a dog that couldn't go to anyone who would be able to help him : - and no foster homes or resources to take him into our rescue program. : : The dog died. And I had to tell that irresponsible owner on her return : why her dog had to die." : : Lynn K. : : [it's always a tragedy and the dog : just up and dies. But Lynn KILL : won't mention her part in the : killing. She condemned that innocent : dog to death simply because it got lost. : But Lynn Kill will ignore that. : Lynn K always blames : someone else when she is involved in : killing a perfectly good dog. : : The organizations Lynn K is : a part of GET PAID TO KILL DOGS, : and somebody has to make up stupid : reasons to kill perfectly good dogs : Because the STATE is paying those : "shelters" to ELIMINATE dogs & puppies : Lynn K. plays a role in that capacity, : despite her lies and denials. The STATE : needs those dogs dead, and Lynn Kill : helps them achieve their objective, like : she did in her part in the confiscation : and murder of the lost dog in the case : above. The dog HAD TO DIE, because Lynn : KILL said so.] : --editor's note : : ----------------------------- : : : Shows you what you know. It was SF, not LA, and I evaluated Hera. : She was fear aggressive. Period. No training of any kind on that : dog, much to the DA's chagrin because he wanted to be able to charge : them with Murder 2. : : Lynn K. : : [Hera was one of the dogs involved in the San Francisco Diane Whipple : dog fatality. Lynn K. frequently brags that she was involved in : evaluating that dog. That dog, of course, was killed] : --editor's note : : : --------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- : : : : There's several threads going on now in .behavior about dominance problems. : : In one of them (HELP! Life or Death...) I gave the 21 management rules I : use for a dominant dog. For real hardcases, the other option is to : escalate to a full NILIF regime. Frankly, any dog that doesn't respond : to either of those options is a rogue, unsafe, and should be destroyed. : : Lynn K. : : : [Lynn K. does not pull any punches : when it comes to killing dogs or : recommending that they be killed for : not getting with the program, or for : jumping up and playing with volunteers : at one of her "shelters" : : ARRRRRRRGH!!!] --editor's note : ---------------------------------------- : : : : Lynn K. : : -- : michael : reporting live... : http://dogtv.com : : http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg : http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg : http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg : http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg : http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg : : : : ================================================== ====== : SHELLY IS THE ONLY ONE WHO DOESN'T THINK HATTIE IS STARVING : : "when i got harriet she was emaciated, so i asked my vet for advice on : slowly adding weight to her. six months later i took harriet in for her : spring check-up and my vet was surprised that at how thin she still was." : --shelly couv.rette : : : "raises hand i've been told by three different vets that : harriet (53lbs) is *way* too skinny. we're still : vet-shopping, BTW." : : --shelly couv.rette : : "if you really can't resist : it when your dog pulls the "i'm starving!" routine G, you can give : him some frozen green beans or a small amount of plain pureed pumpkin. : i would also suggest putting the food out of his sight. i keep my : food--still inside the bags, which are tightly rolled down--inside : trash cans in the closed laundry room. that keeps it fresh and keeps : it out of my dogs' sight." : : --shelly couv.rette : : "heh. i get the opposite response. people think that poor little : harriet is positively starved to death. i've actually had people stop : me in the pet supply shop and tell me that i need to fatten her up!" : : --shelly couv.rette : : : "i think that may be part of the problem. who wants to go to a : vet who tells you you're hurting your .widdle precious? i : think the other part is that some vets really don't *realize* : that what they consider proper weight is fat. after having : been told by a couple of vets that my dogs are too thin, i've : got a dim view of vets on that topic." : : --shelly couv.rette : : "my mom is kinda that way, but not *as* bad. she thinks that harriet is : awfully skinny, so feeding her table snax is okay. she tells me that : just a bite won't hurt." : : --shelly couv.rette : : : NOBODY IS STARVING FAT PI.G SHELLY : : NOBODY WILL STOP SHELLY ON THE STREET : AND TELL HER SHE IS STARVING HERSELF : shelly's fat face : http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette/Wshelly2.jpg : ================================================== ===== : : : There are a lot of big fat women on these groups who starve their dogs : out of vanity, but shelly is a special case. : : shelly is moor.e than a little bit beyond the pale : : Shelly has OCD, and maybe she's just a little obsessive about measuring : out extra tiny and discrete portions with a tiny measuring cup, or : counting out pieces of green bean or pumpkin that she gives her dogs : when they give her the "I'm Starving" routine. When grandma tried to : give Hattie a snack, shelly probably went apeshit, because it was in : violation of her Obsessive need to oversee every tiny calorie that goes : into her widdle precious' mouth. : : shelly's a special case, a special kind of dog abuser. : : : : : : : Lynn K. : : : : : because law : enforcement needs to be able to remove dogs in cruelty cases, when the : public is at risk from a dangerous dog, and for rabies quarantine when : there has been a possible exposure. They can't just walk away or : leave the situation as is just because the owner isn't willing to : voluntarily surrender the dog, anymore than they could simply walk : away from a suspected felon because that felon doesn't want to talk to : the police. : : : Also, say you have 8 dogs, and all 8 look identical more or less. : How would AC know which one to ask the owner to : surrender via this license? : : : One would hope that the owner could identify which dog was involved : and would surrender that dog. If not, the ACO would have to take all : dogs that matched the description of the dog involved. That's actually : pretty common standard practice, and almost always done in bad bite : cases if there is any question about owner negligence. : : Sometimes the owner doesn't know which dog was involved, and all are : seized. An example case: A couple had 3 dogs; 2 huskies and a : cocker. 2 of the dogs jumped the fence and killed a neighbor's cat, : in front of the neighbor, then made it back into their own yard. All : 3 dogs were seized before the owners returned home. The neighbor was : able to identify the male huskie as the actual cat killer, the female : as only a chaser, and said that the cocker didn't come across the : fence. The cocker was returned to the couple because AC felt he was : safely confined. The male Sibe was euthanized. The female Sibe was : not returned to the owners because they could not confine her safely : and she presented a threat to domestic animals. Sibe Rescue was : allowed to take ownership of her, under the condition that she be : housed for the rest of her life with one of their volunteers in a : different county (with approval of AC in that county). : : The owners hired a nationally known lawyer who specializes in dog : issues and it took 2 hearings and several months. They also tried to : get every rescue, animal welfare group, reporter, etc., involved. It : was actually pretty sad to see them come up (hard) against reality. : Their initial effort was an attempt to get daily access to the : quarantine area of the pound where the dogs were housed (unsuccessful, : of course). They fully expected that they were going to get all 3 of : their dogs back after paying a fine. A tough lesson to learn. : : Lynn K. : "IF YOUR TO STUPID DONT THINK I WILL HELP YOU UNDERSTAND GET A CLUE.." Jokerpit, 09/25/03, in response to a post about punctuation |
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On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 08:30:23 -0600, "Jokerpit"
wrote: very well said m-ichael That's it. Plonk Mustang Sally "^m-ichael" wrote in message ws.com... : : : Lynn K. wrote: : Gwen Watson wrote in message news: : : So without : a license for said dog can an AC still demand surrender of that : dog. : : : Absolutely. They can also come onto the property and seize the dog : without your presence or permission (or search warrant) if they know : the dog is there (hear barking, dog bowl or feces in yard, etc.) The : license is just another thing that indicates the dog is on the : property and I only brought it up because Paulette was under the : misimpression that a search warrant was needed to take a dog from : private property. Bear in mind - this is a good thing : : No it's not a good thing you mindless jackbooted pigthugnazi domestic : terrorist. All you care about is the police being able to do whatever : they want. All you care about is that nothing gets in the way of police : being able to seize and kill a dog for some minor infraction. : : You're a despicable human being. Get the **** out of dog "rescue." : You're no friend of dogs. I wouldn't let a dog within 50 miles of you or : anyone of your friends in law enforcement. : : You're a dog murdering thug and a staunch advocate for dog murdering : everywhere. : : You make me physically ill. : : : Have a nice day!!! : : : : ----------------------------------------------- : Subject: I Got dead today, courtesy of Lynn K, sincerely, a Border : Collie ( it was magical and mystical and artistic) : This is the only article in this thread : View: Original Format : Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior, rec.pets.dogs.rescue, : rec.pets.dogs.breeds : Date: 2003-09-01 09:13:41 PST : : : Lynn K. wrote: : : : After a couple of years of watching and helping at herding trials I : don't even pretend to understand all the nuances of what I'm watching, : even when scribing. But every artist needs an audience and I have : learned enough to recognize the artistry of a lot of the BCs I've seen : : : Yeah, you recognize artistry alright, just like you recognized it in : this Border Collie, who was titled, flashy, dynamite, and looking for a : great home and a great life with an owner like Melanie Lee Chang, who, : even though she's not terribly bright or talented of a trainer (and : doesn't know much about Biology), would have had ZERO problems with this : dog. : : But no, no, no, no, instead of giving this dog a great life, you : artistically ****ING MURDERED her you LITHIUM and ZOLOFT DOPED up DOG : MURDERING F#%KING MANIAC. : : Artistic and Magic my ass you mindless brazen dog slaughterer. Here's a : few more of your victims. Never mind the puppies who jump on volunteers : who have to DIE as a result at the "shelters" where you "evaluate" and : "rescue" dogs. : : BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!! : : ---------------------------------- : Lynn K, kills a great dog : ---------------------------------- : : Exactly. A couple of years ago I evaluated a BC bitch in rescue who had : gotten in 20-25 bites on her foster family the 1st day in their home. : The problem was that there were a whole slew of people lined up who : wanted her because she was a dynamite herding dog, titled before she was : 2, flashy, etc.. Most of these people were single women : : [editor's note, like Melanie Lee Chang, who would : have had ZERO problems with this dog, even though : she's 1/10th the trainer Michael is] : : into competitive herding who had no children or plans to have any. : : Testing the dog revealed that she had a safety zone of about 3 ft and : would use her mouth to drive out anyone who came within that space : (other than whoever was holding her leash). She also would not tolerate : any entrance to her airspace. The deciding factor was that eye contact : was also a trigger and the severity of the bite increased with eye's : moved lowerer to her level. IOW, the shorter the person, the harder the : bite, and kids were shortest of all." : : [This is HOWE lynn KillMooreDogs seals a : a dog's fate and this is HOWE SHE KILLS : DOGS. She kills them with WORDS, not with : poison. She lets sucker animal lovers or : sucker volunteers do the dirty work of : poisoning them and dumping their bodies, : after she condemns them to death with : her "evaluation"] --editor's note : : : We decided that even if we could feel perfectly safe with a person and : situation we placed her into, she still had to live in a world where : there were children and we couldn't, in good conscience, put a known : risk like her into that world. People's lives and situation change and : any adopter might have future contact with children that they don't have : at present. : : She was put down. : : : [because of Lynn K.s Passionate concerns about : LIABILITY INSURANCE, the ONLY thing she cares : about, besides her REPUTATION as an "animal : lover" BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA!!!] --editor's note : : Lynn K. : : --------------------------------------------- : : MOOOOORE DOG KILLING FROM LYNN KILLMAKOS : : : : : : LYNN K. "I'LL PUT A BITER DOWN AS FAST AS ANYONE" : : : ============================================== : On her role in killing dogs in the SF Bay area, a role she claims she : doesn't play anymoore. : ============================================== : : : "I'll put down a biter as fast as anyone - provided I have seen the : behavior and know that the dog is in fact a biter." : --Lynn K. : : ----------------------------- : : "I've been in dogs for over 40 years and worked with : many rescue organizations and with shelters in 3 states. I've : been in the position of evaluating court-seized dogs in bite : cases." : --Lynn K. : : ------------------------------ : : : No. I evaluated Hera. It wasn't all poor upbringing and management. : : Lynn K. : : : -------------------------- : : Exactly. A couple of years ago I evaluated a BC bitch in rescue who had : gotten in 20-25 bites on her foster family the 1st day in their home. : The problem was that there were a whole slew of people lined up who : wanted her because she was a dynamite herding dog, titled before she was : 2, flashy, etc.. Most of these people were single women : : [editor's note, like Melanie Lee Chang, who would : have had ZERO problems with this dog, even though : she's 1/10th the trainer Michael is] : : into competitive herding who had no children or plans to have any. : : Testing the dog revealed that she had a safety zone of about 3 ft and : would use her mouth to drive out anyone who came within that space : (other than whoever was holding her leash). She also would not tolerate : any entrance to her airspace. The deciding factor was that eye contact : was also a trigger and the severity of the bite increased with eye's : moved lowerer to her level. IOW, the shorter the person, the harder the : bite, and kids were shortest of all." : : [This is HOWE lynn KillMooreDogs seals a : a dog's fate and this is HOWE SHE KILLS : DOGS. She kills them with WORDS, not with : poison. She lets sucker animal lovers or : sucker volunteers do the dirty work of : poisoning them and dumping their bodies, : after she condemns them to death with : her "evaluation"] --editor's note : : : We decided that even if we could feel perfectly safe with a person and : situation we placed her into, she still had to live in a world where : there were children and we couldn't, in good conscience, put a known : risk like her into that world. People's lives and situation change and : any adopter might have future contact with children that they don't have : at present. : : She was put down. : : : [because of Lynn K.s Passionate concerns about : LIABILITY INSURANCE, the ONLY thing she cares : about, besides her REPUTATION as an "animal : lover" BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA!!!] --editor's note : : Lynn K. : --------------------------- : : : "I had a somewhat similar situation 2 weeks ago. I got a call from the : city pound informing me that a dog that had once been in our Humane : Society program had been picked up and was scheduled to die the next : day. After much research, I found out that the dog was never really one : of ours, but that a foster home we had briefly used, then fired, took a : litter, let most die needlessly, and this was the sole survivor. I got : the dog extended 24 hours, sent 6 interested parties to the pound to see : the dog, and ran to the pound to let them know the owner's contact info. : It turns out that they knew well who the owner was - over 20 : complaints against her and the dog had been picked up twice that month. : She went to Mexico for a long vacation and left the dog in the back : yard, trusting neighbors to throw food over the fence. To make it : worse, I evaluated the dog as unsafe, and then the dog went for a kennel : worker and was declared unsafe by the pound, and only available to us. : The pound would not let the owner reclaim the dog, even if she were : available to do so. So that left me with - : - a dog with unclear legal ownership : - an unsuitable owner who wanted the dog, but couldn't have the dog : - an unadoptable dog for the general public : - a dog that couldn't go to anyone who would be able to help him : - and no foster homes or resources to take him into our rescue program. : : The dog died. And I had to tell that irresponsible owner on her return : why her dog had to die." : : Lynn K. : : [it's always a tragedy and the dog : just up and dies. But Lynn KILL : won't mention her part in the : killing. She condemned that innocent : dog to death simply because it got lost. : But Lynn Kill will ignore that. : Lynn K always blames : someone else when she is involved in : killing a perfectly good dog. : : The organizations Lynn K is : a part of GET PAID TO KILL DOGS, : and somebody has to make up stupid : reasons to kill perfectly good dogs : Because the STATE is paying those : "shelters" to ELIMINATE dogs & puppies : Lynn K. plays a role in that capacity, : despite her lies and denials. The STATE : needs those dogs dead, and Lynn Kill : helps them achieve their objective, like : she did in her part in the confiscation : and murder of the lost dog in the case : above. The dog HAD TO DIE, because Lynn : KILL said so.] : --editor's note : : ----------------------------- : : : Shows you what you know. It was SF, not LA, and I evaluated Hera. : She was fear aggressive. Period. No training of any kind on that : dog, much to the DA's chagrin because he wanted to be able to charge : them with Murder 2. : : Lynn K. : : [Hera was one of the dogs involved in the San Francisco Diane Whipple : dog fatality. Lynn K. frequently brags that she was involved in : evaluating that dog. That dog, of course, was killed] : --editor's note : : : --------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- : : : : There's several threads going on now in .behavior about dominance problems. : : In one of them (HELP! Life or Death...) I gave the 21 management rules I : use for a dominant dog. For real hardcases, the other option is to : escalate to a full NILIF regime. Frankly, any dog that doesn't respond : to either of those options is a rogue, unsafe, and should be destroyed. : : Lynn K. : : : [Lynn K. does not pull any punches : when it comes to killing dogs or : recommending that they be killed for : not getting with the program, or for : jumping up and playing with volunteers : at one of her "shelters" : : ARRRRRRRGH!!!] --editor's note : ---------------------------------------- : : : : Lynn K. : : -- : michael : reporting live... : http://dogtv.com : : http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg : http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg : http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg : http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg : http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg : : : : ================================================== ====== : SHELLY IS THE ONLY ONE WHO DOESN'T THINK HATTIE IS STARVING : : "when i got harriet she was emaciated, so i asked my vet for advice on : slowly adding weight to her. six months later i took harriet in for her : spring check-up and my vet was surprised that at how thin she still was." : --shelly couv.rette : : : "raises hand i've been told by three different vets that : harriet (53lbs) is *way* too skinny. we're still : vet-shopping, BTW." : : --shelly couv.rette : : "if you really can't resist : it when your dog pulls the "i'm starving!" routine G, you can give : him some frozen green beans or a small amount of plain pureed pumpkin. : i would also suggest putting the food out of his sight. i keep my : food--still inside the bags, which are tightly rolled down--inside : trash cans in the closed laundry room. that keeps it fresh and keeps : it out of my dogs' sight." : : --shelly couv.rette : : "heh. i get the opposite response. people think that poor little : harriet is positively starved to death. i've actually had people stop : me in the pet supply shop and tell me that i need to fatten her up!" : : --shelly couv.rette : : : "i think that may be part of the problem. who wants to go to a : vet who tells you you're hurting your .widdle precious? i : think the other part is that some vets really don't *realize* : that what they consider proper weight is fat. after having : been told by a couple of vets that my dogs are too thin, i've : got a dim view of vets on that topic." : : --shelly couv.rette : : "my mom is kinda that way, but not *as* bad. she thinks that harriet is : awfully skinny, so feeding her table snax is okay. she tells me that : just a bite won't hurt." : : --shelly couv.rette : : : NOBODY IS STARVING FAT PI.G SHELLY : : NOBODY WILL STOP SHELLY ON THE STREET : AND TELL HER SHE IS STARVING HERSELF : shelly's fat face : http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette/Wshelly2.jpg : ================================================== ===== : : : There are a lot of big fat women on these groups who starve their dogs : out of vanity, but shelly is a special case. : : shelly is moor.e than a little bit beyond the pale : : Shelly has OCD, and maybe she's just a little obsessive about measuring : out extra tiny and discrete portions with a tiny measuring cup, or : counting out pieces of green bean or pumpkin that she gives her dogs : when they give her the "I'm Starving" routine. When grandma tried to : give Hattie a snack, shelly probably went apeshit, because it was in : violation of her Obsessive need to oversee every tiny calorie that goes : into her widdle precious' mouth. : : shelly's a special case, a special kind of dog abuser. : : : : : : : Lynn K. : : : : : because law : enforcement needs to be able to remove dogs in cruelty cases, when the : public is at risk from a dangerous dog, and for rabies quarantine when : there has been a possible exposure. They can't just walk away or : leave the situation as is just because the owner isn't willing to : voluntarily surrender the dog, anymore than they could simply walk : away from a suspected felon because that felon doesn't want to talk to : the police. : : : Also, say you have 8 dogs, and all 8 look identical more or less. : How would AC know which one to ask the owner to : surrender via this license? : : : One would hope that the owner could identify which dog was involved : and would surrender that dog. If not, the ACO would have to take all : dogs that matched the description of the dog involved. That's actually : pretty common standard practice, and almost always done in bad bite : cases if there is any question about owner negligence. : : Sometimes the owner doesn't know which dog was involved, and all are : seized. An example case: A couple had 3 dogs; 2 huskies and a : cocker. 2 of the dogs jumped the fence and killed a neighbor's cat, : in front of the neighbor, then made it back into their own yard. All : 3 dogs were seized before the owners returned home. The neighbor was : able to identify the male huskie as the actual cat killer, the female : as only a chaser, and said that the cocker didn't come across the : fence. The cocker was returned to the couple because AC felt he was : safely confined. The male Sibe was euthanized. The female Sibe was : not returned to the owners because they could not confine her safely : and she presented a threat to domestic animals. Sibe Rescue was : allowed to take ownership of her, under the condition that she be : housed for the rest of her life with one of their volunteers in a : different county (with approval of AC in that county). : : The owners hired a nationally known lawyer who specializes in dog : issues and it took 2 hearings and several months. They also tried to : get every rescue, animal welfare group, reporter, etc., involved. It : was actually pretty sad to see them come up (hard) against reality. : Their initial effort was an attempt to get daily access to the : quarantine area of the pound where the dogs were housed (unsuccessful, : of course). They fully expected that they were going to get all 3 of : their dogs back after paying a fine. A tough lesson to learn. : : Lynn K. : "IF YOUR TO STUPID DONT THINK I WILL HELP YOU UNDERSTAND GET A CLUE.." Jokerpit, 09/25/03, in response to a post about punctuation |
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wrote: very well said m-ichael That's it. Plonk Mustang Sally "^m-ichael" wrote in message ws.com... : : : Lynn K. wrote: : Gwen Watson wrote in message news: : : So without : a license for said dog can an AC still demand surrender of that : dog. : : : Absolutely. They can also come onto the property and seize the dog : without your presence or permission (or search warrant) if they know : the dog is there (hear barking, dog bowl or feces in yard, etc.) The : license is just another thing that indicates the dog is on the : property and I only brought it up because Paulette was under the : misimpression that a search warrant was needed to take a dog from : private property. Bear in mind - this is a good thing : : No it's not a good thing you mindless jackbooted pigthugnazi domestic : terrorist. All you care about is the police being able to do whatever : they want. All you care about is that nothing gets in the way of police : being able to seize and kill a dog for some minor infraction. : : You're a despicable human being. Get the **** out of dog "rescue." : You're no friend of dogs. I wouldn't let a dog within 50 miles of you or : anyone of your friends in law enforcement. : : You're a dog murdering thug and a staunch advocate for dog murdering : everywhere. : : You make me physically ill. : : : Have a nice day!!! : : : : ----------------------------------------------- : Subject: I Got dead today, courtesy of Lynn K, sincerely, a Border : Collie ( it was magical and mystical and artistic) : This is the only article in this thread : View: Original Format : Newsgroups: rec.pets.dogs.behavior, rec.pets.dogs.rescue, : rec.pets.dogs.breeds : Date: 2003-09-01 09:13:41 PST : : : Lynn K. wrote: : : : After a couple of years of watching and helping at herding trials I : don't even pretend to understand all the nuances of what I'm watching, : even when scribing. But every artist needs an audience and I have : learned enough to recognize the artistry of a lot of the BCs I've seen : : : Yeah, you recognize artistry alright, just like you recognized it in : this Border Collie, who was titled, flashy, dynamite, and looking for a : great home and a great life with an owner like Melanie Lee Chang, who, : even though she's not terribly bright or talented of a trainer (and : doesn't know much about Biology), would have had ZERO problems with this : dog. : : But no, no, no, no, instead of giving this dog a great life, you : artistically ****ING MURDERED her you LITHIUM and ZOLOFT DOPED up DOG : MURDERING F#%KING MANIAC. : : Artistic and Magic my ass you mindless brazen dog slaughterer. Here's a : few more of your victims. Never mind the puppies who jump on volunteers : who have to DIE as a result at the "shelters" where you "evaluate" and : "rescue" dogs. : : BWAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAAAA!!!!! : : ---------------------------------- : Lynn K, kills a great dog : ---------------------------------- : : Exactly. A couple of years ago I evaluated a BC bitch in rescue who had : gotten in 20-25 bites on her foster family the 1st day in their home. : The problem was that there were a whole slew of people lined up who : wanted her because she was a dynamite herding dog, titled before she was : 2, flashy, etc.. Most of these people were single women : : [editor's note, like Melanie Lee Chang, who would : have had ZERO problems with this dog, even though : she's 1/10th the trainer Michael is] : : into competitive herding who had no children or plans to have any. : : Testing the dog revealed that she had a safety zone of about 3 ft and : would use her mouth to drive out anyone who came within that space : (other than whoever was holding her leash). She also would not tolerate : any entrance to her airspace. The deciding factor was that eye contact : was also a trigger and the severity of the bite increased with eye's : moved lowerer to her level. IOW, the shorter the person, the harder the : bite, and kids were shortest of all." : : [This is HOWE lynn KillMooreDogs seals a : a dog's fate and this is HOWE SHE KILLS : DOGS. She kills them with WORDS, not with : poison. She lets sucker animal lovers or : sucker volunteers do the dirty work of : poisoning them and dumping their bodies, : after she condemns them to death with : her "evaluation"] --editor's note : : : We decided that even if we could feel perfectly safe with a person and : situation we placed her into, she still had to live in a world where : there were children and we couldn't, in good conscience, put a known : risk like her into that world. People's lives and situation change and : any adopter might have future contact with children that they don't have : at present. : : She was put down. : : : [because of Lynn K.s Passionate concerns about : LIABILITY INSURANCE, the ONLY thing she cares : about, besides her REPUTATION as an "animal : lover" BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA!!!] --editor's note : : Lynn K. : : --------------------------------------------- : : MOOOOORE DOG KILLING FROM LYNN KILLMAKOS : : : : : : LYNN K. "I'LL PUT A BITER DOWN AS FAST AS ANYONE" : : : ============================================== : On her role in killing dogs in the SF Bay area, a role she claims she : doesn't play anymoore. : ============================================== : : : "I'll put down a biter as fast as anyone - provided I have seen the : behavior and know that the dog is in fact a biter." : --Lynn K. : : ----------------------------- : : "I've been in dogs for over 40 years and worked with : many rescue organizations and with shelters in 3 states. I've : been in the position of evaluating court-seized dogs in bite : cases." : --Lynn K. : : ------------------------------ : : : No. I evaluated Hera. It wasn't all poor upbringing and management. : : Lynn K. : : : -------------------------- : : Exactly. A couple of years ago I evaluated a BC bitch in rescue who had : gotten in 20-25 bites on her foster family the 1st day in their home. : The problem was that there were a whole slew of people lined up who : wanted her because she was a dynamite herding dog, titled before she was : 2, flashy, etc.. Most of these people were single women : : [editor's note, like Melanie Lee Chang, who would : have had ZERO problems with this dog, even though : she's 1/10th the trainer Michael is] : : into competitive herding who had no children or plans to have any. : : Testing the dog revealed that she had a safety zone of about 3 ft and : would use her mouth to drive out anyone who came within that space : (other than whoever was holding her leash). She also would not tolerate : any entrance to her airspace. The deciding factor was that eye contact : was also a trigger and the severity of the bite increased with eye's : moved lowerer to her level. IOW, the shorter the person, the harder the : bite, and kids were shortest of all." : : [This is HOWE lynn KillMooreDogs seals a : a dog's fate and this is HOWE SHE KILLS : DOGS. She kills them with WORDS, not with : poison. She lets sucker animal lovers or : sucker volunteers do the dirty work of : poisoning them and dumping their bodies, : after she condemns them to death with : her "evaluation"] --editor's note : : : We decided that even if we could feel perfectly safe with a person and : situation we placed her into, she still had to live in a world where : there were children and we couldn't, in good conscience, put a known : risk like her into that world. People's lives and situation change and : any adopter might have future contact with children that they don't have : at present. : : She was put down. : : : [because of Lynn K.s Passionate concerns about : LIABILITY INSURANCE, the ONLY thing she cares : about, besides her REPUTATION as an "animal : lover" BWHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAAA!!!] --editor's note : : Lynn K. : --------------------------- : : : "I had a somewhat similar situation 2 weeks ago. I got a call from the : city pound informing me that a dog that had once been in our Humane : Society program had been picked up and was scheduled to die the next : day. After much research, I found out that the dog was never really one : of ours, but that a foster home we had briefly used, then fired, took a : litter, let most die needlessly, and this was the sole survivor. I got : the dog extended 24 hours, sent 6 interested parties to the pound to see : the dog, and ran to the pound to let them know the owner's contact info. : It turns out that they knew well who the owner was - over 20 : complaints against her and the dog had been picked up twice that month. : She went to Mexico for a long vacation and left the dog in the back : yard, trusting neighbors to throw food over the fence. To make it : worse, I evaluated the dog as unsafe, and then the dog went for a kennel : worker and was declared unsafe by the pound, and only available to us. : The pound would not let the owner reclaim the dog, even if she were : available to do so. So that left me with - : - a dog with unclear legal ownership : - an unsuitable owner who wanted the dog, but couldn't have the dog : - an unadoptable dog for the general public : - a dog that couldn't go to anyone who would be able to help him : - and no foster homes or resources to take him into our rescue program. : : The dog died. And I had to tell that irresponsible owner on her return : why her dog had to die." : : Lynn K. : : [it's always a tragedy and the dog : just up and dies. But Lynn KILL : won't mention her part in the : killing. She condemned that innocent : dog to death simply because it got lost. : But Lynn Kill will ignore that. : Lynn K always blames : someone else when she is involved in : killing a perfectly good dog. : : The organizations Lynn K is : a part of GET PAID TO KILL DOGS, : and somebody has to make up stupid : reasons to kill perfectly good dogs : Because the STATE is paying those : "shelters" to ELIMINATE dogs & puppies : Lynn K. plays a role in that capacity, : despite her lies and denials. The STATE : needs those dogs dead, and Lynn Kill : helps them achieve their objective, like : she did in her part in the confiscation : and murder of the lost dog in the case : above. The dog HAD TO DIE, because Lynn : KILL said so.] : --editor's note : : ----------------------------- : : : Shows you what you know. It was SF, not LA, and I evaluated Hera. : She was fear aggressive. Period. No training of any kind on that : dog, much to the DA's chagrin because he wanted to be able to charge : them with Murder 2. : : Lynn K. : : [Hera was one of the dogs involved in the San Francisco Diane Whipple : dog fatality. Lynn K. frequently brags that she was involved in : evaluating that dog. That dog, of course, was killed] : --editor's note : : : --------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------- : : : : There's several threads going on now in .behavior about dominance problems. : : In one of them (HELP! Life or Death...) I gave the 21 management rules I : use for a dominant dog. For real hardcases, the other option is to : escalate to a full NILIF regime. Frankly, any dog that doesn't respond : to either of those options is a rogue, unsafe, and should be destroyed. : : Lynn K. : : : [Lynn K. does not pull any punches : when it comes to killing dogs or : recommending that they be killed for : not getting with the program, or for : jumping up and playing with volunteers : at one of her "shelters" : : ARRRRRRRGH!!!] --editor's note : ---------------------------------------- : : : : Lynn K. : : -- : michael : reporting live... : http://dogtv.com : : http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg : http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg : http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg : http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg : http://dogtv.com/hope_attacks.mpg : : : : ================================================== ====== : SHELLY IS THE ONLY ONE WHO DOESN'T THINK HATTIE IS STARVING : : "when i got harriet she was emaciated, so i asked my vet for advice on : slowly adding weight to her. six months later i took harriet in for her : spring check-up and my vet was surprised that at how thin she still was." : --shelly couv.rette : : : "raises hand i've been told by three different vets that : harriet (53lbs) is *way* too skinny. we're still : vet-shopping, BTW." : : --shelly couv.rette : : "if you really can't resist : it when your dog pulls the "i'm starving!" routine G, you can give : him some frozen green beans or a small amount of plain pureed pumpkin. : i would also suggest putting the food out of his sight. i keep my : food--still inside the bags, which are tightly rolled down--inside : trash cans in the closed laundry room. that keeps it fresh and keeps : it out of my dogs' sight." : : --shelly couv.rette : : "heh. i get the opposite response. people think that poor little : harriet is positively starved to death. i've actually had people stop : me in the pet supply shop and tell me that i need to fatten her up!" : : --shelly couv.rette : : : "i think that may be part of the problem. who wants to go to a : vet who tells you you're hurting your .widdle precious? i : think the other part is that some vets really don't *realize* : that what they consider proper weight is fat. after having : been told by a couple of vets that my dogs are too thin, i've : got a dim view of vets on that topic." : : --shelly couv.rette : : "my mom is kinda that way, but not *as* bad. she thinks that harriet is : awfully skinny, so feeding her table snax is okay. she tells me that : just a bite won't hurt." : : --shelly couv.rette : : : NOBODY IS STARVING FAT PI.G SHELLY : : NOBODY WILL STOP SHELLY ON THE STREET : AND TELL HER SHE IS STARVING HERSELF : shelly's fat face : http://home.bluemarble.net/~scouvrette/Wshelly2.jpg : ================================================== ===== : : : There are a lot of big fat women on these groups who starve their dogs : out of vanity, but shelly is a special case. : : shelly is moor.e than a little bit beyond the pale : : Shelly has OCD, and maybe she's just a little obsessive about measuring : out extra tiny and discrete portions with a tiny measuring cup, or : counting out pieces of green bean or pumpkin that she gives her dogs : when they give her the "I'm Starving" routine. When grandma tried to : give Hattie a snack, shelly probably went apeshit, because it was in : violation of her Obsessive need to oversee every tiny calorie that goes : into her widdle precious' mouth. : : shelly's a special case, a special kind of dog abuser. : : : : : : : Lynn K. : : : : : because law : enforcement needs to be able to remove dogs in cruelty cases, when the : public is at risk from a dangerous dog, and for rabies quarantine when : there has been a possible exposure. They can't just walk away or : leave the situation as is just because the owner isn't willing to : voluntarily surrender the dog, anymore than they could simply walk : away from a suspected felon because that felon doesn't want to talk to : the police. : : : Also, say you have 8 dogs, and all 8 look identical more or less. : How would AC know which one to ask the owner to : surrender via this license? : : : One would hope that the owner could identify which dog was involved : and would surrender that dog. If not, the ACO would have to take all : dogs that matched the description of the dog involved. That's actually : pretty common standard practice, and almost always done in bad bite : cases if there is any question about owner negligence. : : Sometimes the owner doesn't know which dog was involved, and all are : seized. An example case: A couple had 3 dogs; 2 huskies and a : cocker. 2 of the dogs jumped the fence and killed a neighbor's cat, : in front of the neighbor, then made it back into their own yard. All : 3 dogs were seized before the owners returned home. The neighbor was : able to identify the male huskie as the actual cat killer, the female : as only a chaser, and said that the cocker didn't come across the : fence. The cocker was returned to the couple because AC felt he was : safely confined. The male Sibe was euthanized. The female Sibe was : not returned to the owners because they could not confine her safely : and she presented a threat to domestic animals. Sibe Rescue was : allowed to take ownership of her, under the condition that she be : housed for the rest of her life with one of their volunteers in a : different county (with approval of AC in that county). : : The owners hired a nationally known lawyer who specializes in dog : issues and it took 2 hearings and several months. They also tried to : get every rescue, animal welfare group, reporter, etc., involved. It : was actually pretty sad to see them come up (hard) against reality. : Their initial effort was an attempt to get daily access to the : quarantine area of the pound where the dogs were housed (unsuccessful, : of course). They fully expected that they were going to get all 3 of : their dogs back after paying a fine. A tough lesson to learn. : : Lynn K. : "IF YOUR TO STUPID DONT THINK I WILL HELP YOU UNDERSTAND GET A CLUE.." Jokerpit, 09/25/03, in response to a post about punctuation |
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