English cocker spaniel, neutered male, 6 years old. Began exhibiting
listlessness Wednesday evening (today is Sunday). Thursday afternoon
ate part of a 1" x 3" ball of aluminum foil. Thursday evening, vomited
a small amount with just 1-2 tiny bits of foil in it; most of foil was
found in bits on floor previously. Listlessness continued. Gave medium
shriek of pain upon jaw/snout being moved from side to side. Friday
afternoon, took to vet. Thorough exam, no temperature, nothing found
outside mildly inflamed gums. Prescribed Rimardyl (anti-inflammatory)
and amoxicillin (antibiotic). Saturday, about 20% improvement in
listlessness, tale more waggy, but nothing up to the norm. Gave mild
shriek of pain upon rising from long nap, seemed to limp on back legs
for 3-4 steps, then walked normally. Same this morning (Sunday). No
further improvement in listlessness, subdued manner. Eating and
drinking and eliminating normally and on schedule. Examined and
manipulated all joints with no signs of pain, no lumps or bumps found
anywhere on body.
My only theory is bowel obstruction (missing amount of foil...but all
the other foil found, both on the floor and in the vomit was TINY
little pieces)...pain is caused by lump of foil moving around
inside...listlessness caused by pain...but would that theory be negated
by normal bowel movements? Sorry for the long note. We will be back
to the vet Monday morning, of course. Thank you for any ideas.

upon reading further on bowel obstruction, this is patently NOT the
case with my dog...

crosem wrote:
English cocker spaniel, neutered male, 6 years old. Began exhibiting
listlessness Wednesday evening (today is Sunday). Thursday afternoon
ate part of a 1" x 3" ball of aluminum foil. Thursday evening, vomited
a small amount with just 1-2 tiny bits of foil in it; most of foil was
found in bits on floor previously. Listlessness continued. Gave medium
shriek of pain upon jaw/snout being moved from side to side. Friday
afternoon, took to vet. Thorough exam, no temperature, nothing found
outside mildly inflamed gums. Prescribed Rimardyl (anti-inflammatory)
and amoxicillin (antibiotic). Saturday, about 20% improvement in
listlessness, tale more waggy, but nothing up to the norm. Gave mild
shriek of pain upon rising from long nap, seemed to limp on back legs
for 3-4 steps, then walked normally. Same this morning (Sunday). No
further improvement in listlessness, subdued manner. Eating and
drinking and eliminating normally and on schedule. Examined and
manipulated all joints with no signs of pain, no lumps or bumps found
anywhere on body.
My only theory is bowel obstruction (missing amount of foil...but all
the other foil found, both on the floor and in the vomit was TINY
little pieces)...pain is caused by lump of foil moving around
inside...listlessness caused by pain...but would that theory be negated
by normal bowel movements? Sorry for the long note. We will be back
to the vet Monday morning, of course. Thank you for any ideas.

"crosem" wrote in message
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English cocker spaniel, neutered male, 6 years old. Began exhibiting
listlessness Wednesday evening (today is Sunday).
snip
Gave mild
shriek of pain upon rising from long nap, seemed to limp on back legs
for 3-4 steps, then walked normally. Same this morning (Sunday). No
further improvement in listlessness, subdued manner. Eating and
drinking and eliminating normally and on schedule.

........Could be anything really. Since it started before eating tinfoil,
doubt that's the cause. I'd have a full blood panel run - CBC and chem
profile to start. If you have any doubt the foil is a problem get an
X-ray - it will show up.

buglady
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VERY happy to report he is more than halfway back to his normal
self...perhaps we will never know what was wrong...


buglady wrote:
"crosem" wrote in message
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English cocker spaniel, neutered male, 6 years old. Began exhibiting
listlessness Wednesday evening (today is Sunday).
snip
Gave mild
shriek of pain upon rising from long nap, seemed to limp on back legs
for 3-4 steps, then walked normally. Same this morning (Sunday). No
further improvement in listlessness, subdued manner. Eating and
drinking and eliminating normally and on schedule.

.......Could be anything really. Since it started before eating tinfoil,
doubt that's the cause. I'd have a full blood panel run - CBC and chem
profile to start. If you have any doubt the foil is a problem get an
X-ray - it will show up.

buglady
take out the dog before replying

"crosem" wrote in message
oups.com...
English cocker spaniel, neutered male, 6 years old. Began exhibiting
listlessness Wednesday evening (today is Sunday). Thursday afternoon
ate part of a 1" x 3" ball of aluminum foil. Thursday evening, vomited
a small amount with just 1-2 tiny bits of foil in it; most of foil was
found in bits on floor previously. Listlessness continued. Gave medium
shriek of pain upon jaw/snout being moved from side to side. Friday
afternoon, took to vet. Thorough exam, no temperature, nothing found
outside mildly inflamed gums. Prescribed Rimardyl (anti-inflammatory)
and amoxicillin (antibiotic). Saturday, about 20% improvement in
listlessness, tale more waggy, but nothing up to the norm. Gave mild
shriek of pain upon rising from long nap, seemed to limp on back legs
for 3-4 steps, then walked normally. Same this morning (Sunday). No
further improvement in listlessness, subdued manner. Eating and
drinking and eliminating normally and on schedule. Examined and
manipulated all joints with no signs of pain, no lumps or bumps found
anywhere on body.
My only theory is bowel obstruction (missing amount of foil...but all
the other foil found, both on the floor and in the vomit was TINY
little pieces)...pain is caused by lump of foil moving around
inside...listlessness caused by pain...but would that theory be negated
by normal bowel movements? Sorry for the long note. We will be back
to the vet Monday morning, of course. Thank you for any ideas.

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I wonder if there are some sharp pieces of foil stuck up inside her nose or
inside the pads on her paws. Did the vet check those areas?

thank you for your note...yes, his paws, nose, mouth, etc. were
inspected most thoroughly...he is regaining more pep every day...I am
100% faithful in giving him his medicine (more so than giving myself MY
medicine!) and it is helping!

pfoley wrote:
"crosem" wrote in message
oups.com...
English cocker spaniel, neutered male, 6 years old. Began exhibiting
listlessness Wednesday evening (today is Sunday). Thursday afternoon
ate part of a 1" x 3" ball of aluminum foil. Thursday evening, vomited
a small amount with just 1-2 tiny bits of foil in it; most of foil was
found in bits on floor previously. Listlessness continued. Gave medium
shriek of pain upon jaw/snout being moved from side to side. Friday
afternoon, took to vet. Thorough exam, no temperature, nothing found
outside mildly inflamed gums. Prescribed Rimardyl (anti-inflammatory)
and amoxicillin (antibiotic). Saturday, about 20% improvement in
listlessness, tale more waggy, but nothing up to the norm. Gave mild
shriek of pain upon rising from long nap, seemed to limp on back legs
for 3-4 steps, then walked normally. Same this morning (Sunday). No
further improvement in listlessness, subdued manner. Eating and
drinking and eliminating normally and on schedule. Examined and
manipulated all joints with no signs of pain, no lumps or bumps found
anywhere on body.
My only theory is bowel obstruction (missing amount of foil...but all
the other foil found, both on the floor and in the vomit was TINY
little pieces)...pain is caused by lump of foil moving around
inside...listlessness caused by pain...but would that theory be negated
by normal bowel movements? Sorry for the long note. We will be back
to the vet Monday morning, of course. Thank you for any ideas.

==========
I wonder if there are some sharp pieces of foil stuck up inside her nose or
inside the pads on her paws. Did the vet check those areas?

here is the diagnosis: he has a ruptured disc in his neck, was already
on Rimadyl when all they could find was slightly inflamed gums,
recovered in record time, did not even have to be restrained in a crate
for 4 weeks, back to normal in less than 2 weeks. Xrays that diagnosed
the ruptured disc turned up a slightly (20-25%) enlarged heart, which
was asymptomatic, and he will be on enalapril 2x day for ever. so,
silver lining...

tinfoil ingestion totally unrelated to any of this, of course. I must
pat myself on the back for noting that listlessness began shortly
BEFORE tinfoil ingestion...

crosem wrote:
thank you for your note...yes, his paws, nose, mouth, etc. were
inspected most thoroughly...he is regaining more pep every day...I am
100% faithful in giving him his medicine (more so than giving myself MY
medicine!) and it is helping!

pfoley wrote:
"crosem" wrote in message
oups.com...
English cocker spaniel, neutered male, 6 years old. Began exhibiting
listlessness Wednesday evening (today is Sunday). Thursday afternoon
ate part of a 1" x 3" ball of aluminum foil. Thursday evening, vomited
a small amount with just 1-2 tiny bits of foil in it; most of foil was
found in bits on floor previously. Listlessness continued. Gave medium
shriek of pain upon jaw/snout being moved from side to side. Friday
afternoon, took to vet. Thorough exam, no temperature, nothing found
outside mildly inflamed gums. Prescribed Rimardyl (anti-inflammatory)
and amoxicillin (antibiotic). Saturday, about 20% improvement in
listlessness, tale more waggy, but nothing up to the norm. Gave mild
shriek of pain upon rising from long nap, seemed to limp on back legs
for 3-4 steps, then walked normally. Same this morning (Sunday). No
further improvement in listlessness, subdued manner. Eating and
drinking and eliminating normally and on schedule. Examined and
manipulated all joints with no signs of pain, no lumps or bumps found
anywhere on body.
My only theory is bowel obstruction (missing amount of foil...but all
the other foil found, both on the floor and in the vomit was TINY
little pieces)...pain is caused by lump of foil moving around
inside...listlessness caused by pain...but would that theory be negated
by normal bowel movements? Sorry for the long note. We will be back
to the vet Monday morning, of course. Thank you for any ideas.

==========
I wonder if there are some sharp pieces of foil stuck up inside her nose or
inside the pads on her paws. Did the vet check those areas?

"crosem" wrote in message
oups.com...
here is the diagnosis: he has a ruptured disc in his neck

...........Thanks for posting back. Am glad your pup healed up fast. I
think I'd still be a little careful of what he does for a while.

buglady
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