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Please don't breed your pet
*sigh*
One of my dearest friends is hell bent on breeding her pet Siberian Husky. I've talked to her about this on many occasions, at length, but nothing I say will convince her not to do so. I've even shown her how many pure-bred Huskies are in rescues, yet she still won't budge. Her reasons are typical. "I want my son to experience the miracle of birth." "She's a great dog and I know her puppies will be, too" She's so smart otherwise. I get really damn frustrated with people who breed their pets. What's worse is that she got her dog from a BYB. -- Lynne http://picasaweb.google.com/what.the.hell.is.it/ "Wisdom ceases to be wisdom when it becomes too proud to weep, too grave to laugh, and too selfish to seek other than itself." ~ Kahlil Gibran |
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on Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:24:52 GMT, montana wildhack
wrote: Forget the other messages; she's not hearing it. Ask her how many hours in the day and night she has to devote to the puppies and the mom. There seems to be an idea that nature just takes care of everything and all the humans do is smile down on the puppies, but that ain't reality. She is a teacher and plans on breeding the dog so that the puppies are born in the summer when she doesn't have to work. Even without working she has WAY too much on her plate. I hope I can talk her out of this. I told her she at least needs to wait until her bitch is 2 years old (she's not even 1 yet). I also told her she needs to have a bunch of medical tests run on her and check her pedigree as well as the potential sire's for the same, but I don't think she's going to do that. I'm hoping that perhaps the dog's messy heats will help convince her to get the dog spayed before she's 2, assuming she'll even wait that long to breed her... -- Lynne http://picasaweb.google.com/what.the.hell.is.it/ "Wisdom ceases to be wisdom when it becomes too proud to weep, too grave to laugh, and too selfish to seek other than itself." ~ Kahlil Gibran |
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"Lynne" wrote in message m... *sigh* One of my dearest friends is hell bent on breeding her pet Siberian Husky. I've talked to her about this on many occasions, at length, but nothing I say will convince her not to do so. I've even shown her how many pure-bred Huskies are in rescues, yet she still won't budge. Her reasons are typical. "I want my son to experience the miracle of birth." I don't have titles or sites but I know it is possible to buy tapes showing "the miracle of birth." Also, since it appears, she's never had a litter before, she might want to read some of the books on "birthing" puppies and all the things that happen and can go wrong. Is she prepared to have written contracts for her puppy buyers? Does she have a waiting list for puppies? etc. etc. Margaret |
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on Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:47:54 GMT, "Margaret"
wrote: I don't have titles or sites but I know it is possible to buy tapes showing "the miracle of birth." Also, since it appears, she's never had a litter before, she might want to read some of the books on "birthing" puppies and all the things that happen and can go wrong. That's an approach I haven't tried yet. Thanks, Margaret. Is she prepared to have written contracts for her puppy buyers? Does she have a waiting list for puppies? Hardly. I told her that she, AT THE VERY LEAST, needed to take responsibility of each and every pup for their entire lives with a contract that required the buyers to return the pups to her if for any reason they could not keep them FOR AS LONG AS THEY LIVE. She said she didn't have to sign such a contract with her breeder... -- Lynne http://picasaweb.google.com/what.the.hell.is.it/ "Wisdom ceases to be wisdom when it becomes too proud to weep, too grave to laugh, and too selfish to seek other than itself." ~ Kahlil Gibran |
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Your puppy pages should highlight the negative sides of rearing a litter.
Photos of **** covered puppies and towels and the haggard people who care for them. -- Lynne http://picasaweb.google.com/what.the.hell.is.it/ "Wisdom ceases to be wisdom when it becomes too proud to weep, too grave to laugh, and too selfish to seek other than itself." ~ Kahlil Gibran |
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Lynne wrote:
One of my dearest friends is hell bent on breeding her pet Siberian Husky. I've talked to her about this on many occasions, at length, but nothing I say will convince her not to do so. I've even shown her how many pure-bred Huskies are in rescues, yet she still won't budge. Her reasons are typical. "I want my son to experience the miracle of birth." "She's a great dog and I know her puppies will be, too" !!! She should subscribe to SIBERNET-L, where she'll get to see post after post after post after post looking for people to rescue this dog or that dog because the rescue groups are out of room. Hopefully she'd also pick up some of the culture around [not] breeding. Here's a heartwarming miracle-of-life story from one of the top racing Siberian kennels in the northeast. These folks are excellent dog people and generally know what they're doing, but this was their first unassisted delivery: Wednesday evening she was beginning to drip a light colored fluid but she was not irritable or showing visible signs of contractions. We kept her under close watch for the evening and on Thursday morning, she wanted desperately to be back in her whelping box. At 2:20, the first puppy came. I have never whelped a litter by myself, nor had to assist before. Our foundation bitch was a dream when it came to this process. Ivory began to clean herself before starting to remove the sack so I started to help her. The pup was all white, nice size. It wasn't moving, so I immediately checked for a heartbeat with a stethoscope. There was none. In hindsight, I now believe this pup could be alive today but at the time, I didn't know what to do, other than humanly wrap it in newspaper and put it in the freezer. 2 1/2 hours go by, nothing. No more contractions or signs of distress. Now I'm getting nervous. Somebody told me that 8 hours is not unusual between pups but I couldn't see myself waiting that long and possibly dealing with an emergency room visit. I called the vet at 4:30. Told him I wanted to bring her in for a shot of Oxytocin. Arrived at the vet's office about 40 minutes later and Ivory is just lying comfortably in the crate. My vet has personal reservations about using Oxytocin and he talked me into a C-section. By the size of Ivory's belly and knowing she still had 4 pups to go, we prepped her for surgery. At this point, we all noticed black flecks in the drops of fluid which reassured the idea that a c-section was necessary (something was wrong). I have to say, we found ourselves a wonderful, patient and understanding veterinarian. Without hesitation, the vet asked me to assist with the procedure and explained how to aggressively rub the puppies to "wake them up" and that it may take awhile before they start to breathe. Watching the subQ layer being cut wasn't bad, it was the next layer that was disturbing. Immediately after he made the incision, a ton of fluid poured out of her. My stomach is actually feeling queasy even writing about this. This fluid was now the third sign of a complication. As the vet then began to pull out the individual puppies still wrapped in the placenta from the uterus, the problem showed itself - a tear in the wall of her uterus 2-3 inches in size and not one, but two!!! The second one was discovered mid-way through the removal of the pups. One pup was bloated and had cleft pallet, and the third to die was contorted in such a fashion in the uterus that it's kidney were crushed. Had we opted for Oxytocin early on, who knows how many more pups would have been crushed to death. While Ivory was under anesthesia and already opened, I decided to have her spayed. At the age of 7, there is no need for her or a future owner to have to deal with this again. Mind you, experiencing that would be a pretty good way to guarantee the son will never be tempted to breed a dog. Think of future generations! |
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Lynne said in
rec.pets.dogs.breeds: Her reasons are typical. "I want my son to experience the miracle of birth." "She's a great dog and I know her puppies will be, too" Have your friend run her plans through the virtual breeder: http://www.geocities.com/bluegracepw...lbreeding.html -- --Matt. Rocky's a Dog. |
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"Lynne" wrote in message m... on Sun, 07 Jan 2007 17:47:54 GMT, "Margaret" wrote: I don't have titles or sites but I know it is possible to buy tapes showing "the miracle of birth." Also, since it appears, she's never had a litter before, she might want to read some of the books on "birthing" puppies and all the things that happen and can go wrong. That's an approach I haven't tried yet. Thanks, Margaret. Is she prepared to have written contracts for her puppy buyers? Does she have a waiting list for puppies? Hardly. I told her that she, AT THE VERY LEAST, needed to take responsibility of each and every pup for their entire lives with a contract that required the buyers to return the pups to her if for any reason they could not keep them FOR AS LONG AS THEY LIVE. She said she didn't have to sign such a contract with her breeder... -- Lynne A quick Google search "whelping videos" produced a number of resources. www.pinnaclepetsuppy.com has a 90 minute DVD which address, among other things, temperature taking, giving oxytocin, resuscitation, & cleft palates. Is your friend familiar with these things? Also, what if mom dies? Can your friend hand raise a litter? What if one or more puppies dies? Does she want her child to see the miracle of death also? I went through a similar (fruitless) argument with a (former) friend re. the breeding of mini poodles. Stupid and stubborn are adjectives that come to mind. Good Luck. Margaret |
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m: Her reasons are typical. "I want my son to experience the miracle of birth." "She's a great dog and I know her puppies will be, too" And if her bitch dies, they can experience the miracle of death, too. What fun! Don't think it can happen? It can, even when you do *everything* right. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.p...msg/a6af328a0d 5d2bb5 http://groups.google.com/group/rec.p...msg/c9d3d04038 c0308b http://groups.google.com/group/rec.p...msg/69c5aba97c 1fe365 And then they can experience the miracle of caring for orphaned pups. http://groups.google.com/group/rec.p...msg/1b25542ef7 95dce9 I get really damn frustrated with people who breed their pets. What's worse is that she got her dog from a BYB. That really does *not* surprise me. -- Shelly http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship) http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther) When I go out into the countryside and see the sun and the green and everything flowering, I say to myself "Yes indeed, all that belongs to me!" -- Henri Rousseau |
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on Sun, 07 Jan 2007 18:26:29 GMT, "Melinda Shore"
wrote: Mind you, experiencing that would be a pretty good way to guarantee the son will never be tempted to breed a dog. Think of future generations! I think you and everyone who has brought up the risk of death to the bitch and/or puppies have just given me the ammo I need. Her husband and older son both died within 2 months of each other 2 years ago. Her living son is very troubled, understandably. She won't want to risk that kind of trauma to him, or to herself. -- Lynne http://picasaweb.google.com/what.the.hell.is.it/ "Wisdom ceases to be wisdom when it becomes too proud to weep, too grave to laugh, and too selfish to seek other than itself." ~ Kahlil Gibran |
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