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Old April 4th 07, 04:55 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Gary G
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Anyone using this product...My Vet has recommended it for a Greyhound with a
noisy stomach...Just wondering...Can't find much info on the net...I can get
probiotics in other ways but thinking maybe they do in fact have
something...Thanks in advance...Gary G


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Old April 4th 07, 09:26 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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"Gary G" wrote in message
...
Anyone using this product...My Vet has recommended it for a Greyhound with

a
noisy stomach...Just wondering...Can't find much info on the net...I can

get
probiotics in other ways but thinking maybe they do in fact have
something...Thanks in advance...Gary G

.........never heard of it. But I have t say that after recommending
probiotics for years and years, it's fairly hysterical to see Purina is now
pushing them!

...........They're a prescription item:
http://www.purinaveterinarydiets.com...l.aspx?prod=20

Contains a guaranteed amount of live active cultures
Proven to promote intestinal health and balance
Promotes a healthy immune system
Contains high levels of antioxidant Vitamins A, E, and C
Excellent palatability

Animal digest, Enterococcus faecium, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of
Vitamin C), Vitamin E supplement, zinc proteinate, beta-Carotene, salt,
manganese proteinate, ferrous sulfate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate,
sodium selenite.

......Gosh, they even supply A, which nourishes all mucous membranes, Vit C,
which helps with inflammation, selenium, an antioxidant. They missed
L-glutamine though, which would help heal the intestinal tract. I dont know
about all the minerals - this must be for animals who have severe diarrhea.
And I find it odd they put the beta carotene in the cat variety as cats
can't use it, have to have preformed A.

..........they claim the product is proven but there's no research on the
above site, which is the only one consumers can access. Ask your vet for
research if you're interested. Heck call Purina up and ask them. These days
they ought to be a totally responsive to the consumer. And ask them what
animal digest is.

........Is this for your poopy grey? I can't quite figure out why a noisy
stomach would lead to a product like this.

buglady
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Old April 4th 07, 02:18 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
sighthounds & siberians
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:26:18 GMT, "buglady"
wrote:


"Gary G" wrote in message
...
Anyone using this product...My Vet has recommended it for a Greyhound with

a
noisy stomach...Just wondering...Can't find much info on the net...I can

get
probiotics in other ways but thinking maybe they do in fact have
something...Thanks in advance...Gary G

........never heard of it. But I have t say that after recommending
probiotics for years and years, it's fairly hysterical to see Purina is now
pushing them!

..........They're a prescription item:
http://www.purinaveterinarydiets.com...l.aspx?prod=20


That's probably why Purina's pushing them - - another veterinary diet
to make $$ from!

.......Is this for your poopy grey? I can't quite figure out why a noisy
stomach would lead to a product like this.


Also, a noisy stomach doesn't necessarily require treatment. Chronic
diarrhea is another story, but I don't see anything in this that would
help that.

Probiotics are great, but there are all sorts of probiotics you can
add to a quality dog food or to a raw or cooked diet rather than using
a veterinary diet made by a company that produces a lot of crappy
foods. I'm currently using Prozyme; there are many others.

Mustang Sally


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Old April 4th 07, 02:32 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
buglady
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"sighthounds & siberians" wrote in message
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I'm currently using Prozyme; there are many others.

.......???????Do you mean digestive enzyme or are they putting probiotics in
Prozyme now?

buglady
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Old April 4th 07, 03:13 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
sighthounds & siberians
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:32:04 GMT, "buglady"
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"sighthounds & siberians" wrote in message
.. .
I'm currently using Prozyme; there are many others.

......???????Do you mean digestive enzyme or are they putting probiotics in
Prozyme now?


Oops, sorry, no, I meant digestive enzymes, which might or might not
be helpful to Gary's dog. I haven't used probiotics except for
acidophilus, which also might be helpful to Gary's dog.

Mustang Sally

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Old April 4th 07, 03:13 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Tara
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"Gary G" wrote in
:

Anyone using this product...My Vet has recommended it for a Greyhound
with a noisy stomach...Just wondering...Can't find much info on the
net...I can get probiotics in other ways but thinking maybe they do in
fact have something...Thanks in advance...Gary G


Disclaimer: the following reply is about my cats. My dog has never had
it.

I got one box to add to JJs food sine we haven't been able to get a
handle on her diarhea (I can *never* spell that word right). She hated
it, so I can't tell you whether or not it workes for that. Mikey, who
has IBD likes it though. I put it on his food, and at least makes the
food I have to feed JJ (can't feed different foods. Tried. too many
stress reactions from Mikey). His IBD is controlled by Predisalone, so I
couldn't really tell you whether or not its helped.

I will say this: I found it ridiculously expensive. The other
alternative my vet suggested (she too was stunned by how much it cost)
was to give a few tablespoons of Activia every day instead. I'm not a
fan of all the sugar in that product. Since the flavor was formulated
for humans to enjoy it, Iwas thinking about finding a way to get a
supplement of the Bifidobacterium into her (not bloody likely, though.
If she doesn't want it in her mouth, its simply not going to stay in
there...and I say this as someone sadly overqualified in pilling
animals)

**************

Ok, I just spent a few minutes googling the cultures in Fortiflora, and
now I'm *totally* confused.

Maybe buglady can chome in here, since my ability to process even the
most rudimentary level of hard sciences disappeared years ago.

The Purina site lists the active culture as: Enterococcus faecium.

When I do a search of that, I get results for both that culture as well
as its related one Enterococcus faecalis. Seems the second one is far
more prevalent but also not the same thing, so I'll set that aside.
However, the faecium is described on one site as this:
"E. faecium is known to have a resistance to several types of
antibiotics including quinolones and aminoglycosides. Resistance to
penicillin was first observed in E. faecium in 1983 and in 1988 the
first cases of resistance to the "antibiotic of last resort",
vancomycin, were detected in Europe. Vancomycin resistant strains of E.
faecium were reported in the US in 1989. Resistance to several
antibiotics and tolerance for adverse conditions makes E. faecium a
major concern for the medical community, which has dubbed this microbe a
"supergerm" "

I'm assuming that they wouldn't be purposely using a supergerm as a
medical food additive, so I'm wondering what I'm missing here.

Anyone?

Maybe I really should have finished my coffee before trying to
understand anything scientific.

Tara

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Old April 4th 07, 11:16 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
buglady
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"sighthounds & siberians" wrote in message
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Oops, sorry, no, I meant digestive enzymes, which might or might not
be helpful to Gary's dog. I haven't used probiotics except for
acidophilus, which also might be helpful to Gary's dog.


.......Yeah, I just cannot quit figure this out as far as prescribing this
product. Wants to see if it works maybe? I would think digestive enzymes
and probiotics might benefit this dog, and I think it would be a heck of a
lot cheaper to start there, particularly since the dog is not having
continual diarrhea, which is what I think is all the mins are for.

buglady
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Old April 4th 07, 11:31 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Gary G
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Default Purina fortiflora

Yep it's the poppy grey...Also has a very noisy stomach...I thought my
transmission was going out and then found it was him...Rushed him to the Vet
and he just needed to eat...But the poops comes and goes and I'm willing to
try...I use probiotics for my wife who is dealing with chemo and has helped
her also...GG
"buglady" wrote in message
hlink.net...

"Gary G" wrote in message
...
Anyone using this product...My Vet has recommended it for a Greyhound
with

a
noisy stomach...Just wondering...Can't find much info on the net...I can

get
probiotics in other ways but thinking maybe they do in fact have
something...Thanks in advance...Gary G

........never heard of it. But I have t say that after recommending
probiotics for years and years, it's fairly hysterical to see Purina is
now
pushing them!

..........They're a prescription item:
http://www.purinaveterinarydiets.com...l.aspx?prod=20

Contains a guaranteed amount of live active cultures
Proven to promote intestinal health and balance
Promotes a healthy immune system
Contains high levels of antioxidant Vitamins A, E, and C
Excellent palatability

Animal digest, Enterococcus faecium, L-ascorbyl-2-polyphosphate (source of
Vitamin C), Vitamin E supplement, zinc proteinate, beta-Carotene, salt,
manganese proteinate, ferrous sulfate, copper proteinate, calcium iodate,
sodium selenite.

.....Gosh, they even supply A, which nourishes all mucous membranes, Vit
C,
which helps with inflammation, selenium, an antioxidant. They missed
L-glutamine though, which would help heal the intestinal tract. I dont
know
about all the minerals - this must be for animals who have severe
diarrhea.
And I find it odd they put the beta carotene in the cat variety as cats
can't use it, have to have preformed A.

.........they claim the product is proven but there's no research on the
above site, which is the only one consumers can access. Ask your vet for
research if you're interested. Heck call Purina up and ask them. These
days
they ought to be a totally responsive to the consumer. And ask them what
animal digest is.

.......Is this for your poopy grey? I can't quite figure out why a noisy
stomach would lead to a product like this.

buglady
take out the dog before replying




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Old April 4th 07, 11:33 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
Gary G
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Default Purina fortiflora

I did begin using them when you suggested it months back and in fact seems
to have helped but not all the time...GG
"sighthounds & siberians" wrote in message
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On Wed, 04 Apr 2007 13:32:04 GMT, "buglady"
wrote:


"sighthounds & siberians" wrote in message
. ..
I'm currently using Prozyme; there are many others.

......???????Do you mean digestive enzyme or are they putting probiotics
in
Prozyme now?


Oops, sorry, no, I meant digestive enzymes, which might or might not
be helpful to Gary's dog. I haven't used probiotics except for
acidophilus, which also might be helpful to Gary's dog.

Mustang Sally



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Old April 4th 07, 11:56 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
buglady
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Default Purina fortiflora

"Tara" wrote in message
4.196...
The Purina site lists the active culture as: Enterococcus faecium.


I'm assuming that they wouldn't be purposely using a supergerm as a
medical food additive, so I'm wondering what I'm missing here.


Google
probiotics Enterococcus faecium

It's a particular strain of E. faecium.

Here's a good info page on all:
http://www.pdrhealth.com/drug_info/n...pro_0034.shtml

Even better - Search within results with
dog

My favorite journal - which lets you read full text one year after pub
date - they carry all the Waltham Symposium articles too. Do a search on
dog and you'll find a lot.
http://jn.nutrition.org/cgi/content/full/133/4/1158
© 2003 The American Society for Nutritional Sciences J. Nutr. 133:1158-1162,
April 2003
Supplementation of Food with Enterococcus faecium (SF68) Stimulates Immune
Functions in Young Dogs
Jalil Benyacoub, Gail L. Czarnecki-Maulden*, Christoph Cavadini, Thérèse
Sauthier, Rachel E. Anderson*, Eduardo J. Schiffrin and Thierry von der
Weid2
*These data show for the first time that a dietary probiotic LAB enhance
specific immune functions in young dogs, thus offering new opportunities for
the utilization of probiotics in canine nutrition.*

Whoopdedo, it's now official! I dont' know why they're surprised!

Also they say: *Interestingly, the response to CDV vaccination was stronger
in puppies supplemented with SF68 as evidenced by higher amounts of both
CDV-specific IgG and IgA (P 0.05) at wk 31 and 44, compared with the
control group (Fig. 3 ).*

......That's really no surprise either. A healthy gut is one of the major
keys to overall health and immune response.

buglady
take out the dog before replying




 




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