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establishing and keeping alpha position
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I have a 2,1/2 year-old black lab and was wondering how to establish and keep the alpha position over my dog? |
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On Apr 5, 5:15 pm, "jackie" wrote:
Hi All I have a 2,1/2 year-old black lab and was wondering how to establish and keep the alpha position over my dog? Maybe the most important thing to do, Jackie is mean what you say when you give the dog a command. You are in charge. The dog will respect that if you *mean* it. If you tell the dog to stay, you must make it stay by going and getting it if it moves and putting it back where you said stay. At 2 1/2 YO your dog is about out of the puppy stage and will be a happier dog if you give it commands only if you mean to make it do what you say. Mort |
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On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 17:15:08 -0700, jackie wrote:
Hi All I have a 2,1/2 year-old black lab and was wondering how to establish and keep the alpha position over my dog? Best article on dominance I've seen: http://www3.sympatico.ca/tsuro/_articles/yielding.html Yielding by Dick Russell [...] The ability to cause other animals to Yield space (ie, to move out of the way) seems to be a matter of force of personality rather than one of physical size or strength, though they sometimes go hand in hand. Along about this same time, I was becoming disenchanted with the usual dominance exercises that we dog trainers had been taught and were teaching. Many (most) of them were, imo, more confrontational than was needed, desired or even helpful. What we were doing was not the things that happened in a stable group of dogs. Living with a stable pack of dogs for any length of time, and observing them, will teach you that appeasement is a much more prevalent mode of interaction than confrontation. Former Speaker of the House of Representatives of the United States, Sam Rayburn, D Tx, once said, "to get along, you go along." Dogs figured this out long before people ever did. A dog's aim is simply to get through the day as easily and with as liitle hassle as possible. This is achieved by appeasement rather than confrontation. Dog trainers, most at least, had missed this. They, along with behaviorists and etiologists, had completely missed what was really going on. Case in point, as an example, the alpha roll. There is no such thing. There is a cinnamon roll, there is a Parker House roll, there is a rock and roll and there is a roll mighty river roll on, but there is no alpha roll. What there is is a beta roll. The higher ranking dog, except by his personality and presence, has nothing to do with this behavior. It is physically initiated and performed by the lower ranking animal as an act of appeasement. Dog trainers who have attempted alpha roll techniques with dominant, ready to fight, dogs have learned and have the scars to prove, that this is a really spiffy way to get yourself bitten. [...] -- I am myself persuaded, on the basis of extensive study of the historical evidence, that... the severity of each of the contractions - 1920-21; 1929-33, and 1937-38 - is directly attributable to acts of commission and omission by the Reserve authorities and would not have occurred under earlier monetary and banking arrangements. - Milton Friedman |
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"jackie" wrote in news:1175818508.751984.271030
@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com: Hi All I have a 2,1/2 year-old black lab and was wondering how to establish and keep the alpha position over my dog? Caveat - I am not a trainer. Suggestion - Go see one. Unless your dog, by some miracle of spontaneous evolution, has figured out how to feed and water himself, you already have the tools at hand to ensure that your dog knows that you are the one in charge. another suggestion - Do a Google search for NILIF. As I mentioned, I am not a trainer, so I don't know which of those is the best version for you. While it may not be right for you (it isn't right for me) without more information, there is not much more that people can suggest to you. -- Marcel and Moogli |
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"jackie" wrote: I have a 2,1/2 year-old black lab and was wondering how to establish and keep the alpha position over my dog? Forget alpha, think leader. Training is the answer, simple but true. -- Janet Boss www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com |
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whittled the following words: In article .com, "jackie" wrote: I have a 2,1/2 year-old black lab and was wondering how to establish and keep the alpha position over my dog? Forget alpha, think leader. Training is the answer, simple but true. Alpha/leader = symantics regardless - Training is the answer, simple but true. |
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On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 06:14:23 -0500, diddy wrote:
in thread : Janet Boss whittled the following words: Forget alpha, think leader. Training is the answer, simple but true. Alpha/leader = symantics Leadership is a matter of body language and attitude, not physical strength. -- Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. - Thomas A. Edison |
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"Jeff Dege" wrote in message news On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 06:14:23 -0500, diddy wrote: in thread : Janet Boss whittled the following words: Forget alpha, think leader. Training is the answer, simple but true. Alpha/leader = symantics Leadership is a matter of body language and attitude, not physical strength. -- Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work. - Thomas A. Edison ================ I agree. |
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"diddy" wrote in message ... in thread news whittled the following words: On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 06:14:23 -0500, diddy wrote: in thread : Janet Boss whittled the following words: Forget alpha, think leader. Training is the answer, simple but true. Alpha/leader = symantics Leadership is a matter of body language and attitude, not physical strength. That is true. And I still contend that Alpha is not necessarily strength. I had an alpha male. at 14 he was a doddering old man. I had to help him up and down the two steps on the back porch. Even at 14, he was still the Alpha male, even when strange dogs came in for foster/transport. He even withered a mature intact Great Dane with his body language, who could have easily killed him. But the doddering old man conveyed, this is MY territory, and these ARE the house rules. And i never saw a dog that didn't respect him, and comply. He commanded sensibility and respect =============== The same thing happened to me. I had a Chow for 13 years that could hardly stand up and at the end of his life, when I adopted a 5 year old Rottweiler, dominant type female. I also had to help the Chow up and down stairs. I'll never forget the Chow standing ground, trying to stand up with attitude, teeter tottering, when he met the Rottweiler. The Rotty could have blown him over, but respected the old Chow and always gave him his space. |
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On Apr 6, 7:50 am, Jeff Dege wrote:
On Fri, 06 Apr 2007 06:14:23 -0500, diddy wrote: in :Janet Boss whittled the following words: Forget alpha, think leader. Training is the answer, simple but true. Alpha/leader = symantics Leadership is a matter of body language and attitude, not physical strength. Correct. And that's what being alpha is. Have you not seen cases where the smallest and least physically powerful animal has achieved dominance? I have. Heck, Cesar Millan has built a very profitable career out of helping people who have allowed dogs, sometimes very small dogs, to take total control of the household--and also helping small, not very strong people to take control of their big, powerful dogs that may outweigh them and are certainly more willing to throw their whole physical strength into a struggle. Alpha/leader=symantics. Lis |
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