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Old April 27th 07, 04:58 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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Hi All, its been a long while since I have been here. Reading through
its good to recognize some familiar names again.

Right now I have to ask for some direction. I have an 11 year old
female cocker/terrier mix whom I adopted at age 3. She was rescued
from a bad situation. About a month ago I noticed she was off her
food, no real desire to eat, drinking far too much water and over the
next couple days noticed she seemed to be losing weight rapidly. This
occurred over a short time as I had just had her in to the vet a
couple weeks before for her general checkup. Everything seemed fine
with her so we decided to schedule her yearly dental. Took her in and
had blood work done and the liver numbers were not good. I don't have
them in front of me so I can't share them. He put her on Milk
Thistle, SamE, an antibiotic and prednisone. We just received the
results of a more intensive testing and she has hepatitis C. I am
stunned, literally. She is going on a med which I pick up tomorrow.
Its a human med and since the capsule dosage is very high, it has to
be broken down and made into a liquid for her dosage. Again, I
apologize since I don't know the name of it, but will tomorrow and
will post it after I pick it up. She is still on the pred, the Milk
Thistle and SamE. Its not infectious and this is where my request
comes in. I have done a lot of searching for information and most of
it is for infectious hepatitis. Can anyone give me a direction or
terminology where I can find some sites to read so I can educate
myself at the moment? I will be talking to the vet in the next couple
days again more extensively, but I want to be able to ask the right
questions and have some basic knowledge.

You folks were invaluable to me when my Lil' Guy who had Cushings,
Seizure Disorder, cancer and Skippy who suffered for many years with
pancreatic disease. You helped me through many a difficult time,
especially when they journeyed within 2 weeks of one another. So I am
back asking for some basic information so I can become a little better
educated and understand something of this disease Shanti has. I'm
sorry for the lengthy post. Thanks for any links or information you
can lead me to.

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Old April 27th 07, 03:17 PM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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wrote in message
oups.com...
.. I have an 11 year old
female cocker/terrier mix whom I adopted at age 3. She was rescued
from a bad situation. About a month ago I noticed she was off her
food, no real desire to eat, drinking far too much water and over the
next couple days noticed she seemed to be losing weight rapidly.


the liver numbers were not good. I don't have
them in front of me so I can't share them. He put her on Milk
Thistle, SamE, an antibiotic and prednisone. We just received the
results of a more intensive testing and she has hepatitis C.


.........Hepatitis C is due to a virus. Dog hepatitis is due to an
adenovirus (CAV-1) and is not transmissible to humans. CAH is a term used
for dogs with Chronic Active Hepatitis. So I don't think your dog has human
variety Hepatitis C. If it's not any kind of infectious hepatitis, then
it's idiopathic or due to copper storage disease.

I am
stunned, literally. She is going on a med which I pick up tomorrow.
Its a human med and since the capsule dosage is very high, it has to
be broken down and made into a liquid for her dosage. Again, I
apologize since I don't know the name of it, but will tomorrow and
will post it after I pick it up. She is still on the pred,


.............I really don't know about the pred use, please ask your vet
about this.
http://www.iknowledgenow.com/search....id+hepatopathy

But this article says pred improves survival.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...PubMed&list_ui
ds=3254697&dopt=Abstract

the Milk
Thistle and SamE. Its not infectious and this is where my request
comes in. I have done a lot of searching for information and most of
it is for infectious hepatitis


...........Did they do a liver biopsy? Has your dog been tested for
Leptospirosis?
Chronic hepatitis in the dog - a review:
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=13689541

Diagnosing Liver Disease in Dogs:
http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB...00/PR00128.htm

Liver Disease in Dogs and CAts
http://www.2ndchance.info/hepatitis.htm

http://www.thorne.com/Vol_6_No_suppl...ember_2001.wss
Alternative Medicine Review, 2001, Vol 6, Supplement, S24-S37
Compromised Hepatic Detoxification in Companion Animals and its Correction
via Nutritional Supplementation and Modified Fasting
Hepatic Detoxification in Companion Animals
Nancy Scanlan, DVM, CVA

Causes of Chronic hepatitis:
http://www.vet.utk.edu/continuing_ed/05decCE/denovo.pdf


Diet is very important:
Liver Diseases, diagnosis, treatment:
http://www.dcavm.org/01june.htm
Dietary therapy should be considered in all cases and general guidelines can
be given. There is a major misconception about diet and liver disease that
states all patients should be placed on a protein restricted diet. The goal
of dietary therapy is to adjust the quantities and types of nutrients to
provide needed nutrient requirements but to avoid the production of excess
nitrogen by-products associated with liver disease and to provide factors
that support liver function and regeneration. I believe that protein
restriction should only be instituted in the patient that has clinical
evidence of protein intolerance (i.e. hepatic encephalopathy).

Liver disease and diet
http://b-naturals.com/Apr2004.php
The liver:
http://b-naturals.com/Mar2003.php
Also check www.dogaware.com for more links and info.

Best of luck to you and your pup, please post back
buglady
take out the dog before replying




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Old April 28th 07, 03:44 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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On Apr 27, 10:17 am, "buglady" wrote:
wrote in message

oups.com...
. I have an 11 year old

female cocker/terrier mix whom I adopted at age 3. She was rescued
from a bad situation. About a month ago I noticed she was off her
food, no real desire to eat, drinking far too much water and over the
next couple days noticed she seemed to be losing weight rapidly.


the liver numbers were not good. I don't have

them in front of me so I can't share them. He put her on Milk
Thistle, SamE, an antibiotic and prednisone. We just received the
results of a more intensive testing and she has hepatitis C.


........Hepatitis C is due to a virus. Dog hepatitis is due to an
adenovirus (CAV-1) and is not transmissible to humans. CAH is a term used
for dogs with Chronic Active Hepatitis. So I don't think your dog has human
variety Hepatitis C. If it's not any kind of infectious hepatitis, then
it's idiopathic or due to copper storage disease.

I am

stunned, literally. She is going on a med which I pick up tomorrow.
Its a human med and since the capsule dosage is very high, it has to
be broken down and made into a liquid for her dosage. Again, I
apologize since I don't know the name of it, but will tomorrow and
will post it after I pick it up. She is still on the pred,


............I really don't know about the pred use, please ask your vet
about this.http://www.iknowledgenow.com/search....id+hepatopathy

But this article says pred improves survival.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...eve&db=PubMed&...
ds=3254697&dopt=Abstract

the Milk

Thistle and SamE. Its not infectious and this is where my request
comes in. I have done a lot of searching for information and most of
it is for infectious hepatitis


..........Did they do a liver biopsy? Has your dog been tested for
Leptospirosis?
Chronic hepatitis in the dog - a review:http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=13689541

Diagnosing Liver Disease in Dogs:http://www.vin.com/VINDBPub/SearchPB...00/PR00128.htm

Liver Disease in Dogs and CAtshttp://www.2ndchance.info/hepatitis.htm

http://www.thorne.com/Vol_6_No_suppl...ember_2001.wss
Alternative Medicine Review, 2001, Vol 6, Supplement, S24-S37
Compromised Hepatic Detoxification in Companion Animals and its Correction
via Nutritional Supplementation and Modified Fasting
Hepatic Detoxification in Companion Animals
Nancy Scanlan, DVM, CVA

Causes of Chronic hepatitis:http://www.vet.utk.edu/continuing_ed/05decCE/denovo.pdf

Diet is very important:
Liver Diseases, diagnosis, treatment:http://www.dcavm.org/01june.htm
Dietary therapy should be considered in all cases and general guidelines can
be given. There is a major misconception about diet and liver disease that
states all patients should be placed on a protein restricted diet. The goal
of dietary therapy is to adjust the quantities and types of nutrients to
provide needed nutrient requirements but to avoid the production of excess
nitrogen by-products associated with liver disease and to provide factors
that support liver function and regeneration. I believe that protein
restriction should only be instituted in the patient that has clinical
evidence of protein intolerance (i.e. hepatic encephalopathy).

Liver disease and diethttp://b-naturals.com/Apr2004.php
The liver:http://b-naturals.com/Mar2003.php
Also checkwww.dogaware.comfor more links and info.

Best of luck to you and your pup, please post back
buglady
take out the dog before replying


Buglady, Its so good to see you again!!! I want to thank you from the
bottom of my heart for all this information. I will be reading till
I'm blind, but good reading.

I have so many questions for the vet. We had so little time to talk
on the phone so I will be seeing him next week.

By the way, the human med is called Actigall and she gets 25 mgs 2ce
daily. I've never been a fan of long term useage of pred and thats
something I need to talk with him about, but will read that article
first. I am just dumbfounded about this as it seem to happen so darn
fast.With 4 other dogs here I have to admit I am concerned even as its
not infectious. Hopefully the information I educate myself with will
give me a measure of comfort here with the others. I have one with
hydrocephalus and can't even think he may end up some how becoming
afflicted with this. I have to try to understand how one can get it
and it avoids the others or I will be a crazy woman worried and
fearful all the time.

Thanks again so much for the info and will let you know more when I
have a lengthy conversation with the vet next week.

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Old April 28th 07, 04:05 AM posted to rec.pets.dogs.health
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wrote in message
ups.com...
By the way, the human med is called Actigall and she gets 25 mgs 2ce
daily.

.........I think that's fairly standard - the drug, don't know about dosage.
Think one of those articles mentions it.
I've never been a fan of long term useage of pred and thats
something I need to talk with him about, but will read that article
first.

.......It's a fairly old article - late 80s so don't know if thinking had
changed since..

.......I hope things go well.
buglady
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