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American Staffordshire Terrier?
I just got a new next-door neighbor and he has a gorgeous American
Staffordshire Terrier bitch. She's about 9 months old and was spayed last week. Her and Roxy have met through the chain link and they seem to really like each other. They have been running the fence together and stopping to smell each other through the fence, tails wagging, no signs of aggression from either of them. I know nothing about this breed, but she looks like a bully breed. Is that correct? I'd like to let her come over and play with Roxy, but am not sure if it's a good idea. Advice? I don't know much about bully breeds, either. FYI, my dog, Roxy is 18 months old, spayed (at a very young age), hound/beagle (?) mix. She has always loved other dogs and I've never given a second thought to letting her meet and play with them, but we had a bout of resource guarding recently so I'm more vigilent than I ever used to have to be with her. She hasn't displayed any guarding for a while now, but we've been training like mad so I don't know if it was a phase, or if the training has paid off but it's still an issue. I'm proceeding as if it is still an issue in all situations. My neighbor doesn't have his fence up yet so it would have to be my (Roxy's) yard where they would play, at least for now. FWIW, his girlfriend has Yorkies and his dog gets along fine with them. I don't know if they are males or females. -- Lynne "We are strong enough to stand tall tearlessly We are brave enough to bend to cry And sad enough to know We must laugh again" ~ Nikki Giovanni, 4/17/2007, Virginia Tech |
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American Staffordshire Terrier?
Huh. Just realized she's a Pit Bull (duh). I've heard all the bad stuff
about this breed, but she is very sweet and friendly. So I'm still looking for advice. -- Lynne "We are strong enough to stand tall tearlessly We are brave enough to bend to cry And sad enough to know We must laugh again" ~ Nikki Giovanni, 4/17/2007, Virginia Tech |
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On May 6, 10:10 pm, Lynne wrote:
Huh. Just realized she's a Pit Bull (duh). I've heard all the bad stuff about this breed, but she is very sweet and friendly. So I'm still looking for advice. Well-bred, well-trained pits are sweet, friendly, wonderful dogs. What's you're assessment of the owner, and of the state of the pit's training? And what's the size difference between Roxy and the pit? If you think the owner's sound, and the size difference isn't too great*, you might want to give it a try--supervised, of course. *I don't care how good she is with the Yorkies; I would not dream of letting my little dog play with a dog big enough to seriously hurt her _by_ _accident_. Lis |
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"Lynne" wrote in message: Huh. Just realized she's a Pit Bull (duh). I've heard all the bad stuff about this breed, but she is very sweet and friendly. So I'm still looking for advice. Well, it depends. In the 6 years I've been going to the dog park, we've had one female Pit bitch (with a very savvy owner) who has been able to come, well into adulthood. Right now, we have about 5 coming, and of those, 2 look like they may in fact be okay in the long run. A lot of them stop being good with dogs (sometimes of a particular gender, sometimes all dogs) as they reach maturity. As long as you're confident in your ability to read both dogs' body language (Pitbull body language can be way more subtle than you're used to, and often, the window between warning and attack is short), and is comfortable with the owner's control over the dog, you can try it. Keep in mind however that just because they get along now does not mean they will get along 3 or 6 months, or a year down the road. Suja |
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elegy wrote: also, bully dogs often have a ram-n-slam play style that a lot of other dogs do not appreciate. Yup! My 3 absolutely hate it and have no interest in being friends with bully breeds. One reason I choose the dogs I do - compatible playing styles helps a lot! -- Janet Boss www.bestfriendsdogobedience.com |
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on Mon, 07 May 2007 19:03:30 GMT, "Suja" wrote:
A lot of them stop being good with dogs (sometimes of a particular gender, sometimes all dogs) as they reach maturity. This is one thing that concerns me. As long as you're confident in your ability to read both dogs' body language (Pitbull body language can be way more subtle than you're used to, and often, the window between warning and attack is short), and is comfortable with the owner's control over the dog, you can try it. I'm not comfortable with my ability to do this with a strange dog, especially one that has subtle body language, and I don't know the owner well enough to know how good he is at it. Keep in mind however that just because they get along now does not mean they will get along 3 or 6 months, or a year down the road. After reading everyone's replies, I think I'm just going to avoid all potential for problems with this dog. It's a shame, because she's very sweet and friendly now (and oh so cute!). But she is still a pup and Roxy's too important to me to take the risk at any point. I'm sure my neighbor would prefer to avoid any problems, too, given the stigma his breed carries and the possibility of harsh consequences if something happened. I think this new neighbor must be somewhat saavy, because he's going to invest in a 6 foot privacy fence to keep her in. He said he was concerned about her getting out, and it didn't occur to me that he needed to be extra careful about that since she is a Pit. He is very good with her, but we've talked all of twice now so I don't know if he trains her and how well. It will be interesting to see how Roxy reacts to a non-chain link fence. I think she'll be frustrated about not being able to run the fence with the new dog. Hopefully we'll get that puppy in the near term and then she probably won't care. -- Lynne "We are strong enough to stand tall tearlessly We are brave enough to bend to cry And sad enough to know We must laugh again" ~ Nikki Giovanni, 4/17/2007, Virginia Tech |
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montana wildhack wrote in
news:2007050717213616807-montana@wildhackcominvalid: On 2007-05-07 16:25:28 -0400, Lynne said: I think this new neighbor must be somewhat saavy, because he's going to invest in a 6 foot privacy fence to keep her in. He said he was concerned about her getting out, and it didn't occur to me that he needed to be extra careful about that since she is a Pit. He is very good with her, but we've talked all of twice now so I don't know if he trains her and how well. Fence aggression is something else to keep an eye on. That's what I was thinking. And its a big enough copncern to be a main impetus for rigorous socialization with the neighbor's dog whether or not he gets a big fence. I'd also make sure to work with Roxy on ignoring ALL activity on the other side of the fence. Even if she doesn't develop fence aggression, any overt interest on her part can trigger it in the other dog. My thing is "when seperated by any kind of barrier (fence, leash, whatever) doggies mind their own bidness. Period. But one thing: there is every reason for you to keep socializing with the cute dog next door.Staffies can be really delightful dogs. I agree. Better to have them *apropriately* socialized to each other now then overly curious and frustrated for years. By "apropriately" I mean not only playing and enjoying each other's company, but also learning to be under solid voice control in each other's presence. You should be able to end play or interactions with a single command. Tara |
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"montana wildhack" wrote in message news:2007050717213616807-montana@wildhackcominvalid... On 2007-05-07 16:25:28 -0400, Lynne said: I think this new neighbor must be somewhat saavy, because he's going to invest in a 6 foot privacy fence to keep her in. He said he was concerned about her getting out, and it didn't occur to me that he needed to be extra careful about that since she is a Pit. He is very good with her, but we've talked all of twice now so I don't know if he trains her and how well. Fence aggression is something else to keep an eye on. But one thing: there is every reason for you to keep socializing with the cute dog next door.Staffies can be really delightful dogs. ============= My Rottie plays with a Pit Bull and a Pit Bull mix when in the forest and has a great time with them. The few I have come across have been very friendly. |
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"elegy" wrote in message: luce's idea of initiating play is usually to jump on the other dog's head. That'll get a 'How RUDE!' from Khan. If she's appropriately deferential at that point, he'll be happy to oblige her with a vigorous game of 'Squish the small dog into the ground'. He absolutely adores bully breeds that bow down to his greatness. this doesn't always go over so well. her other favorite plan is to flop on her back in front of the dog and bite front legs. That might work. mushroom is better at being gentle, and he does ok with most dogs. One of Khan's all-time favorite wrestling buddies was a pit mix named Ziggy. Whenever Ziggy showed up, Khan'd come home with mud crusted all over hisself, including on the inside of his ears. That Ziggy slobber made for some lovely coagulant. but put the two of them together and you've got wwf with teeth. they jump on each other and wrestle and bite and come back in panting and covered in slobber. but i worry what the neighbors think! Clearly, you're fighting your Pits. They just knew it! Suja |
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American Staffordshire Terrier?
"Janet Boss" wrote in message
... One reason I choose the dogs I do - compatible playing styles helps a lot! I find that a lot of other dogs do not understand the schnauzers' invitation to play. And rightfully so. It usually involves a fair amount of noise and immediate bitey-face, paws on heads, etc. They will go in snarling and jumping at the face and then follow with a play bow. Obviously any reasonable other dog will consider the first step extremely rude and they'll never get to the second step. Other schnauzers will respond in kind and they will run off best friends forever. We did manage to introduce them to a couple of shelties this weekend. The teenage sheltie really wanted to find out what schnauzers were. So we let them sort it out. I was sure that there would be no actual biting from the schnauzers - just a lot of noise and braggadocio - and the sheltie owner was willing to let them go at it. It was about five to ten seconds of noise from the schnauzers and then they were all sure that schnauzers and shelties could be friends. Something interesting came up in a discussion this weekend - the schnauzers were on leash at our feet while we were sitting around waiting our turn at a show-n-go. They got bored and decided to wrestle. Snarl, roll around, bitey-face, the whole thing. People commented to me that they recognized it as play but thought that most breeds outgrew the puppy-type of play that they were doing. Since the schnauzers are heading toward six (OMG when did that happen?), they clearly aren't going to outgrow it. They may do more of it since they *are* littermates but I'm pretty certain that they would be doing it anyway. Do most breeds outgrow this type of play? Ours will go into it anytime they are bored as well as at predictable play times. Also when they are excited - but that's sort of a "displaced energy" sort of thing and tends to only last a minute or two. Do I have weird dogs? Judy |
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