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Confusing Test Result
The University of Tennessee Panel came back for Khan. One abnormal finding, which is unusual according to our regular vet, who said that she has normally seen at least two, if not more of the hormone numbers being off. The abnormal finding is as follows: Androstenedione Pre Post 4.1 (high-normal is 3.6) 62 (high-normal is 29) We're waiting for the internist to review. The endocrinologist at U of TN has recommended Melatonin and Flax Seed Oil with lignans. Suja |
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Suja wrote:
The University of Tennessee Panel came back for Khan. One abnormal finding, which is unusual according to our regular vet, who said that she has normally seen at least two, if not more of the hormone numbers being off. The abnormal finding is as follows: Androstenedione Pre Post 4.1 (high-normal is 3.6) 62 (high-normal is 29) We're waiting for the internist to review. The endocrinologist at U of TN has recommended Melatonin and Flax Seed Oil with lignans. Suja Are you getting any kind of diagnosis yet? FurPaw -- My family values don't involve depleted uranium. To reply, unleash the dog. |
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"Suja" wrote in message ... Androstenedione Pre Post 4.1 (high-normal is 3.6) 62 (high-normal is 29) ..........I haven't the faintest idea what that is, so of course I had to look! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Androstenedione It's a precursur to sex hormones, and is produced in the adrenals. Did you join the Cushings group? I'd run this by them to see if anyone had similar results. This paper is pretty dense, but this is the first time I've seen mention of food -dependent Cushings. Apparently in this instance, cortisol is low in AM and climbs by PM. Just out of curiosity, what time of day was Kahn's blood drawn for this test? And was he still on thyroid meds? I think it's weird only one value was abnormal. http://edrv.endojournals.org/cgi/con...l/edrv;22/1/75 buglady take out the dog before replying |
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"buglady" wrote in message: It's a precursur to sex hormones, and is produced in the adrenals. Yup. And, this result has the internist stumped as well. Apparently, we have a 'puzzle' on our hands. Mind you, she has been doing this for 30 years, is cited copiously, chairs committees, etc., and doesn't think that the hair/coat changes we're seeing can be explained by that single abnormal change in the hormone profile. Did you join the Cushings group? I'd run this by them to see if anyone had similar results. Yes. There are people with single abnormal results out there. Their dogs also have other abnormal values on their blood tests. AM and climbs by PM. Just out of curiosity, what time of day was Kahn's blood drawn for this test? And was he still on thyroid meds? Morning. Yes, he's still on Thyroid meds. I am pretty sure he had that on the morning before the test. I think it's weird only one value was abnormal. You and everyone else, apparently. There are other paths the internist wants to follow, but I'm putting a stop to it right now. We could do a 24 hour water deprivation test, a punch biopsy on his skin to be sent to a sex hormone mediated skin change specialist at UPenn, etc. but I don't see a point in it. We'll do Melatonin/Flax Seed Oil for now, repeat the urinalysis/blood work in 6 months. As the vet said, you can follow this until your bank account is empty, but it's difficult to justify subjecting a perfectly normal acting dog to any more procedures. Suja |
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"Suja" wrote in news:%V%4i.112264$NK5.107152
@newsfe23.lga: We'll do Melatonin/Flax Seed Oil for now, repeat the urinalysis/blood work in 6 months. I think that sounds like a really good plan. You're doing what's recommended, and you're watching and waiting to see what happens. -- Catherine & Zoe the cockerchow & Queenie the black gold retriever & Max the pomeranian & Rosalie the calico cat |
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"Suja" wrote in message ... We'll do Melatonin/Flax Seed Oil for now, repeat the urinalysis/blood work in 6 months. As the vet said, you can follow this until your bank account is empty, but it's difficult to justify subjecting a perfectly normal acting dog to any more procedures. .......nope, that's for sure! buglady take out the dog before replying |
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"Suja" wrote in message
... As the vet said, you can follow this until your bank account is empty, but it's difficult to justify subjecting a perfectly normal acting dog to any more procedures. Just as a thought - normal ranges on many blood tests for us humans are based on percentages, not on actual disease conditions. As one doctor explained it to me, normal is actually average. My normal might not be within the average but may still be normal for me. Is it possible that Khan's test numbers are normal for him and don't indicate anything in particular? As another example, DD has a WBC count that shows out of the range of normal. Once it's broken down into various components, each one is within normal upper limits but when combined create a reading above normal. Since there were some fairly serious possibilities, she has gone through multiple tests. The hematologist concluded that IF there is anything wrong, it's not likely to kill her - nor is it causing symptoms other than the test readings. So they do annual bloodwork just to keep an eye on it but probably even that is a CYA procedure for the doctor. Judy |
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"Judy" wrote in message ... "Suja" wrote in message ... Is it possible that Khan's test numbers are normal for him and don't indicate anything in particular? ........I sort of wondered the same thing myself. How many neutered males have they done the complete TN protocol testing on? I just wonder if there's any compensatory adjustments after neutering over the years that they just haven't looked at. buglady take out the dog before replying |
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"Suja" wrote in message ... Yup. And, this result has the internist stumped as well. Apparently, we have a 'puzzle' on our hands. ........suja, you might be interested in reading the latest journal articles on endocrine problems. It's at Science Direct, whom I've never known to allow access before - so I'll give you the site I accessed it from - may be that the Guest Pass was arranged from this blog: Vetcetera: http://catmanager.wordpress.com/ - April 27th entry Clinical Techniques in Small Animal Practice, Vol. 22, Iss. 1 (February 2007)—all articles relate to adrenal disease, including diagnosing canine hyperadrenocorticism, use of mitotane versus trilostane, and feline adrenal disorders. I clicked on Summary Plus. Probably still can't view full text. buglady take out the dog before replying |
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