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Legislation would require pet owners spay or neuter most cats, dogs
A show of hands will do. Who wants to give people like Todd Stosuy (and other members of the "reality-based" community) the power to determine what constitutes a responsible breeder? http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_6218465?source=rss spit -- Handsome Jack Morrison Prouder than ever to not be a member of the "reality-based" community. |
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Legislation would require pet owners spay or neuter most cats, dogs
"Handsome Jack Morrison" wrote in message ... A show of hands will do. Who wants to give people like Todd Stosuy (and other members of the "reality-based" community) the power to determine what constitutes a responsible breeder? http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_6218465?source=rss spit -- Handsome Jack Morrison This is some seriously scary stuff. There is proposed legislation in DC that is very similar in wording. I've been encouraging friends and family in CA to contact their reps and let them know that they are opposed. Beth |
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Legislation would require pet owners spay or neuter most cats, dogs
In article PMDfi.2585$yN.1136@trnddc07,
bethgsd wrote: I've been encouraging friends and family in CA to contact their reps and let them know that they are opposed. I'd really like to know if anybody's got some workable ideas about what to do about the rather serious pet overpopulation problem. It's pretty much out of control and it's turning into a public policy problem (cf. "negative externality"). -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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Legislation would require pet owners spay or neuter most cats, dogs
"bethgsd" wrote in message news:PMDfi.2585$yN.1136@trnddc07... "Handsome Jack Morrison" wrote in message ... A show of hands will do. Who wants to give people like Todd Stosuy (and other members of the "reality-based" community) the power to determine what constitutes a responsible breeder? http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_6218465?source=rss spit -- Handsome Jack Morrison This is some seriously scary stuff. There is proposed legislation in DC that is very similar in wording. I've been encouraging friends and family in CA to contact their reps and let them know that they are opposed. Beth From what I have read about this law, it does seem like a serious and arbitrary attack on individual freedom. Yes, most pets should be spayed or neutered, but it should be my decision, not the government's. However, I think it would be acceptable to promote responsible pet ownership by increasing the cost of licensing an intact animal by the approximate cost of a spay/neuter. There are reasons to keep an animal intact, other than breeding, and that should be recognized, and allowed for any responsible individual. The additional revenue can be used to provide low cost vet care and education. Paul and Muttley |
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Legislation would require pet owners spay or neuter most cats, dogs
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Paul E. Schoen wrote: The additional revenue can be used to provide low cost vet care and education. Or maybe the additional revenue can be used to pay for the costs of cleaning up the mess caused by pet overpopulation. Right now that's being paid for by taxpayers and insurance premiums. Or maybe you're one of the putzes who thinks that pet overpopulation doesn't affect anybody but the breeders and the animals? I pay more to register intact animals - $5 more per dog. Woohoo! If it were to go up enough to cover the costs incurred by slovenly pet owner behavior you'd see the same kind of "You're not the boss of me!" crap you're seeing right now in response to the California proposal and you'd see more people not bothering to register their intact dogs. Smart but libertoonian Tyler Cowan has said that Americans should be required to show basic economic literacy before being allowed to vote. I disagree - I think there's a basic right to vote and his proposal is basically fascist. Still, it's pretty depressing that people don't have better tools at their disposal for helping them frame and evaluate policy problems. So, what *do* you do when a large bunch of people refuse to take responsibility for their actions and they displace the costs of their irresponsibility onto the broader population? -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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Legislation would require pet owners spay or neuter most cats,dogs
Melinda Shore wrote:
I'd really like to know if anybody's got some workable ideas about what to do about the rather serious pet overpopulation problem. It's pretty much out of control and it's turning into a public policy problem (cf. "negative externality"). Good question. It's so easy to shoot down ideas. I think the proposed legislation is bad too. That makes me all the more interested if there's legislation that would work better. Perhaps it would be good to study what's being done in my part of New England. It's practically impossible to adopt a puppy here. There's not much selection of older dogs in the shelters either. I've known people to drive to shelters in Georgia to get a mutt. Shelters import dogs from the Carolinas and Puerto Rico. This is all good news. I'd love to see the puppy mills shut down, but the legislation would have to be awfully precise to separate the puppy millers from the responsible breeders, and I don't think anyone wants law makers who don't know anything much about dogs writing the legislation. --Lia |
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Legislation would require pet owners spay or neuter most cats,dogs
ceb wrote:
Yes -- we're one of the areas imported from. I was shocked, in a pleased sort of way, to learn that. IIRC, it had to do with the shelters doing the neutering before an animal could be adopted? Rather than adopting out with a spay/neuter contract, as we do here. It must be a combination of things-- money to do the neutering at the shelter, money to adopt out fairly healthy dogs with heartworm treatment and vax, money to pick up strays immediately (you almost never see a dog unattended), money for education, etc. I'm not even sure where the money comes from. Cubbe's $80 adoption fee seemed high to us coming, as we did, from Florida, but the money can't all be in adoption fees. There aren't that many dogs to adopt! Her yearly tag only costs $15. I'm not sure where the money is coming from, or if it has to do with money at all. But someone's doing something right. --Lia |
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Legislation would require pet owners spay or neuter most cats, dogs
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:24:25 -0400, Handsome Jack Morrison
wrote: On 24 Jun 2007 21:56:10 -0400, (Melinda Shore) wrote: In article PMDfi.2585$yN.1136@trnddc07, bethgsd wrote: I've been encouraging friends and family in CA to contact their reps and let them know that they are opposed. I'd really like to know if anybody's got some workable ideas about what to do about the rather serious pet overpopulation problem. That sounds like something Herman Goering might have said! It's pretty much out of control and it's turning into a public policy problem (cf. "negative externality"). No, what is happening is that a certain "reality-based" community, composed mostly of do-gooders, busybodies, AR whackos, tree-huggers, utopians, control freaks, charlatans, socialists, hall monitors and nannies, is trying to tell the rest of us how to live,. And their activities aren't just confined to the forced sterilization of our dogs. They even want to force us to eat less (or different) food (too many fat people!)! Prohibit us from smoking a cigar in the privacy of our own homes (too many people dying of cancer!)! Force us to wear a helmet just to ride a bicycle to the corner market (too many people being killed by angry Chinese drivers!)! Etc. Etc. Etc. And we really haven't seen anything yet. The "global warming" scam, if it succeeds, will allow them to prohibit us from living in certain places, traveling to certain places, enjoying certain lifestyles and activities, etc. They will be dictating the size of our houses, the size of our cars, the number of children we can have, the distance between our houses, even whether we can own our own cars! All in the name of "energy conservation," "carbon footprints," and other utopian mumbo jumbo. Not all "problems" can be solved! Not all "problems" even need to be solved! Heck, I think the biggest problem we have facing us today is the "reality-based" community itself. If some legislator would just write a bill to forcibly sterilize the "reality-based" community itself, starting with anyone who ever voted for Al Gore, it would surely enjoy broad appeal, especially in the Red States! Now that's a "workable idea" I could really get behind! Heh. -- Handsome Jack Morrison Lawyers. spit http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archi...e_law_fir.html Operation Arrowhead Ripper: Day One. http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/...er-day-one.htm The Return of Inspector Dan Rather: http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk...tings_alw.html If boys do it, it's sexist, if girls do it, it's liberating. http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2007/06/...rls-do-it.html Throw the bums out! http://tammybruce.com/2007/06/congress_approval.php Yo, Judith! http://blogs.nypost.com/movies/archi...on_m.html#more http://www.freemarketcure.com/ http://blog.nam.org/archives/2007/06/the_real_sicko.php http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/2...michael-moore/ Do you remember me? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ervaMPt4Ha0&eurl= Harry Reid. "It's time for you to go!' http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.c...4B5D5BDB0E7D4A You gotta be shittin' us, Harry, you sorry excuse for a human being. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rZdAB4V_j8&eurl= Parent, grandparent, etc. of a boy? Get this book! The Dangerous Book for Boys, by Conn & Hal Iggulden http://www.dangerousbookforboys.com/ |
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Legislation would require pet owners spay or neuter most cats, dogs
On Mon, 25 Jun 2007 11:28:00 -0400, Handsome Jack Morrison
wrote: [...] So, what *do* you do when a large bunch of people refuse to take responsibility for their actions and they displace the costs of their irresponsibility onto the broader population? Again, you're starting to sound like Herman Goering. The answer to your question, in a FREE SOCIETY, is essentially to do nothing! We've been living with "irresponsible" people for thousands of years now, and they will always be with us. And we've also been living with certain people who enjoy pointing out what is "irresponsible" behavior, e.g., Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pot, the "reality-based" community, etc. Frankly, "irresponsible" people have had far less of a negative impact on society over the years than the utopian tyrants who enjoyed "doing" something about them. Let sleeping dogs lie, and stop trying to "do" so many things, eh? Just live your *own* life the best you can, and then die. Preferably quietly. -- Handsome Jack Morrison Lawyers. spit http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archi...e_law_fir.html Operation Arrowhead Ripper: Day One. http://www.michaelyon-online.com/wp/...er-day-one.htm The Return of Inspector Dan Rather: http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk...tings_alw.html If boys do it, it's sexist, if girls do it, it's liberating. http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2007/06/...rls-do-it.html Throw the bums out! http://tammybruce.com/2007/06/congress_approval.php Yo, Judith! http://blogs.nypost.com/movies/archi...on_m.html#more http://www.freemarketcure.com/ http://blog.nam.org/archives/2007/06/the_real_sicko.php http://hotair.com/archives/2007/06/2...michael-moore/ Do you remember me? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ervaMPt4Ha0&eurl= Harry Reid. "It's time for you to go!' http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.c...4B5D5BDB0E7D4A You gotta be shittin' us, Harry, you sorry excuse for a human being. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0rZdAB4V_j8&eurl= Parent, grandparent, etc. of a boy? Get this book! The Dangerous Book for Boys, by Conn & Hal Iggulden http://www.dangerousbookforboys.com/ |
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