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Lucky/Muttley Courtship
Today I took Muttley to the kennel to see Lucky again. First, I had the
attendant give him a bath. My friend noticed that he smelled kinda nasty when we visited in her house the night before, so this was a good opportunity. Meanwhile, I took Lucky out from her cage/run, and worked on some basic training. She needs to learn it all, but she is smart and eager to please, so it should not be too difficult. The young woman who had given him his bath brought him out, smelling like a freakin' petunia, and anxious to get to me and Lucky. They had met before, but they had to check each other out, and Lucky barked a few times when Muttley probably got too frisky. She seemed more interested in initiating play, while Muttley was doing his best Buddha imitation. We moved to the small fenced area, and allowed them to interact for a few more minutes, on leash. They briefly got the leashes tangled, due to a quick move, but they were fine, and we unclipped the leashes to allow them freedom. They were then calmer, and seemed to do a dance that sometimes had them ignoring each other, and at other times circling and sniffing side by side. Again, Lucky seemed more interested in playing, while Muttley was more aloof. There were several of us there with them, casually talking, petting and praising both dogs, allowing them to explore the area, and calling them to us. Muttley sits as a "default" behavior, but will also do it on voice or hand signal. Lucky needs work on that. She eventually sat on command, but turned around and sat on my foot. At one point, apparently, Muttley tried to mount her. He's shooting blanks, but he probably remembers his affair with his Rottie bitch, while he was still a feral street dog. However, she abruptly turned and put on a brief but impressive display of barking and bared teeth, that caused Muttley to back off and come over to me. The message was delivered and accepted. The line was drawn, and then all was forgiven. They continued their "courtship" by walking around and occasionally pawing each other. They both chewed on some weeds, and were comfortable enough with each other, and us humans, to lay in the sun and roll over, accepting petting and attention, but not demanding it. Neither dog showed any jealosy when I alternating petting, scratching ears, or even offering treats (which of course I gave only according to NILIF). I think they will be OK with each other. My trainer said that the critical period will likely be 1-2 weeks, but there were no red flags during this encounter. It seems clear that she is not in season, so her surgery scheduled for Monday should go fine. We have arranged a safe place for her to be crated and care for Monday evening, and then on Tuesday or Wednesday I will see if I can bring her into my house with Muttley. That may be a tricky situation, as Muttley will have free run of the house, while I will probably need to keep Lucky tethered or crated for a while until she gets used to her new environment, and heals from the spay. It will also be difficult handling them on walks. Muttley is usually very good now with LLW, but occasionally he tests me when he sees or hears a deer or something. Lucky still needs training, although she seems much less reactive toward wildlife. However, walking both together may be a recipe for disaster, as their total of 140 pounds of powerful dog could overpower my best efforts to restrain them. So, I might walk them separately to the exercise fence, and then get them to run around and stretch their legs. The eventual, best solution will be to find a separate home for Lucky. I love both dogs, and I have heard that sometimes two can be easier to care for than one. But Muttley, at least, does not show any separation anxiety, and Lucky was also used to being neglected, so that's not a major factor. We have some possible leads, and we hope that Lucky will be able to charm her way into someone's heart and home. She is really a sweet dog, and as long as someone sees her for more than a big scary probable PBT/Rottie cross, she will make a wonderful pet. I do have some competent in-person guidance for this adventure, but as always I appreciate and enjoy any advice and discussion. Paul, Muttley, and Lucky |
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Paul E. Schoen wrote: I think they will be OK with each other. My trainer said that the critical period will likely be 1-2 weeks, but there were no red flags during this encounter. 1-2 weeks is the honeymoon period. The dogs don't know the situation is permanent at first, and it takes them that long to figure it out. Surprising things happen after that period is over. In the meantime, I don't see any reason to think you'd recognize a red flag if it took a crap on your face. But that's okay - this isn't about the dogs, it's about you You YOU! -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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"Melinda Shore" wrote in message ... In article , Paul E. Schoen wrote: I think they will be OK with each other. My trainer said that the critical period will likely be 1-2 weeks, but there were no red flags during this encounter. 1-2 weeks is the honeymoon period. The dogs don't know the situation is permanent at first, and it takes them that long to figure it out. Surprising things happen after that period is over. In the meantime, I don't see any reason to think you'd recognize a red flag if it took a crap on your face. But that's okay - this isn't about the dogs, it's about you You YOU! -- I'm not interested in arguing right now. I have two *dogs* to take care of. Everyone who posts here talks about their problems with dogs, or what they are teaching the dog, or what they think about dog and non-dog issues. My post was mostly about what the *dogs* were doing, and how I was working with *others* to assure they both will have the best lives possible. *I* have admitted that, with Muttley, *I* am the one that needs training, as everyone here agrees. So, thanks for the insight on the "honeymoon period". But does it make *you* feel better to say bad things about me? Luckily, I am like Teflon-coated rubber, so the crap you sling doesn't stick and bounces back at U-U-U. And *thanks* for throwing *your* negative spin to this thread, which will now likely steer away from the *dogs*. If it were not for the love I have for these dogs, and other critters, Muttley and Lucky would be taking dirt naps, and I would not have had the dubious pleasure of meeting U-U-U here. Now, does anyone want to talk about *dogs*? Muttley, Lucky and Paul |
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Paul E. Schoen wrote: *I* have admitted that, with Muttley, *I* am the one that needs training, as everyone here agrees. Apparently you need training in nearly every aspect of your life. I hope that the next time you can't figure out why woooooomen dash to the other side of the road when they see you coming, you'll have a thought for the "observation" you chose to share with Diddy. So, thanks for the insight on the "honeymoon period". Look, you ****ing moron, have a talk with your trainer about it, because you obviously misunderstood what she said, and misunderstood it completely (what a surprise!). Once the dogs figure out that the new situation is permanent, which takes a couple of weeks, they enter into negotiations. How well it goes depends on the dogs' personalities and the owner's training and management skills. How things go during the honeymoon period can usually let someone who knows how to read dogs know how they'll go later, but that kind of completely disqualifies you. Lots and lots and lots and lots of people have posted here about their dogs suddenly having interpersonal issues after having gotten along for a few weeks just fine. But hey, if it weren't about you You YOU you wouldn't be posting here in the first place given what you say you think about the newsgroup. You loooooooove the attention. You're just another solipsistic asshole who's using dogs to play out his ****ed-up issues. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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"Paul E. Schoen" wrote in
: So, thanks for the insight on the "honeymoon period". But does it make *you* feel better to say bad things about me? Luckily, I am like Teflon-coated rubber, so the crap you sling doesn't stick and bounces back at U-U-U. You did *not* just whip out the favorite come-back of five-year-olds the world over! And *thanks* for throwing *your* negative spin to this thread, which will now likely steer away from the *dogs*. It was not a thread until Melinda responded. And, anyway, the only thing you seem interested in responding to is personal bullshit. When folks have tried to engage you in reasonable, dog-related discussion, you ignore them. If it were not for the love I have for these dogs, and other critters, Muttley and Lucky would be taking dirt naps, Do you want a medal? Now, does anyone want to talk about *dogs*? With you? No. -- Shelly http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship) http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther) |
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Shelly wrote: Do you want a medal? Yes. That's why he's accumulating dogs. They're not just plain, ordinary, nice dogs that for which he harbors a simple love. They're exotic breeds! And they'd be dead if it weren't for the heroism of Paul! Of *course* he wants a medal. There's no point in having dogs unless there are medals involved. Either medals, or lots and lots and lots of attention. -- Melinda Shore - Software longa, hardware brevis - Prouder than ever to be a member of the reality-based community |
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"Paul E. Schoen" wrote in message ... "Melinda Shore" wrote in message ... In article , Paul E. Schoen wrote: I think they will be OK with each other. My trainer said that the critical period will likely be 1-2 weeks, but there were no red flags during this encounter. 1-2 weeks is the honeymoon period. The dogs don't know the situation is permanent at first, and it takes them that long to figure it out. Surprising things happen after that period is over. In the meantime, I don't see any reason to think you'd recognize a red flag if it took a crap on your face. But that's okay - this isn't about the dogs, it's about you You YOU! -- I'm not interested in arguing right now. I have two *dogs* to take care of. Everyone who posts here talks about their problems with dogs, or what they are teaching the dog, or what they think about dog and non-dog issues. My post was mostly about what the *dogs* were doing, and how I was working with *others* to assure they both will have the best lives possible. *I* have admitted that, with Muttley, *I* am the one that needs training, as everyone here agrees. So, thanks for the insight on the "honeymoon period". But does it make *you* feel better to say bad things about me? Luckily, I am like Teflon-coated rubber, so the crap you sling doesn't stick and bounces back at U-U-U. And *thanks* for throwing *your* negative spin to this thread, which will now likely steer away from the *dogs*. If it were not for the love I have for these dogs, and other critters, Muttley and Lucky would be taking dirt naps, and I would not have had the dubious pleasure of meeting U-U-U here. Now, does anyone want to talk about *dogs*? Muttley, Lucky and Paul ============== I always find all your postings very interesting, and look forward to reading them, so keep it up. I enjoy hearing the latest on Lucky and Muttley. Those two dogs would not be alive today if it were not for you being so kind hearted and rescuing them. They seem very content and happy with you, so you must be doing something right. I would like if you posted some more photos of the two of them together. The last photo I saw of Muttley, he looked like he was in great shape and very handsome. I can't believe how lucky those two dogs are to have found you. |
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Lucky/Muttley Courtship
on Sat, 21 Jul 2007 17:09:11 GMT, "pfoley" wrote:
I always find all your postings very interesting, and look forward to reading them, so keep it up. I enjoy hearing the latest on Lucky and Muttley. Those two dogs would not be alive today if it were not for you being so kind hearted and rescuing them. They seem very content and happy with you, so you must be doing something right. I would like if you posted some more photos of the two of them together. The last photo I saw of Muttley, he looked like he was in great shape and very handsome. I can't believe how lucky those two dogs are to have found you. ^^ undeniable proof that pfoley is a troll. -- Lynne |
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Lucky/Muttley Courtship
"Paul E. Schoen" wrote in
: That may be a tricky situation, as Muttley will have free run of the house, while I will probably need to keep Lucky tethered or crated for a while until she gets used to her new environment If you care even a tiny bit about these dogs, you will rethink that plan. Whatever you do, do *not* tether Lucky where Muttley will have access to her. -- Shelly http://www.cat-sidh.net (the Mother Ship) http://esther.cat-sidh.net (Letters to Esther) |
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