Whoa everyone, I breed for the Blue color because I like it. I also have
Champion AKC reds both Red and Stag Red and A couple Black and Tans that
have their Points. I think and so do quite a few people that I know want the
Blue pups. I do not register them with either the AKC or the CKC to
discourage breeding. I could get a thousand dollars a puppy without papers
if I chose to do so however that is definitely not my purpose for breeding.
My purpose for breeding is to supply my direct friends with loveable healthy
puppies. Their has been absolutely no birth defects in any of my
unregistered litters. Now my Registered Champions I have experienced not
many but definitely a few birth defects. And before I go any further I do
not LINE BREED at all. My CHAMPION AKC's have puppies with under developed
pallets and throats. If you've ever had to put a puppy down because it's
Superior lineage is creating freaks of nature you too will breed for healthy
puppies that will be family members for close too twenty years with no
defects what so ever. And before you go there I am definitely not paying my
vet cost let alone making any profit with my dogs. When a bitch only throws
two or three pups at a time your not in it for the money. ALL my puppies
have homes before they're conceived. I currently have a waiting list for
pups and not just Blue's. My pups are bred for disposition only the blue
gene sneaking in was and is a bonus for me and my satisfied customers. So I
am sorry if I ruffled some feathers but I have found there is no way to make
everyone happy only my customers. I posted to discus the positive features
of the Min Pin mot to upset people.
Rick

--
"Always do Right - This will Gratify Some and Astonish the Rest"
Mark Twain
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On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 15:57:24 GMT Richard Hooker
whittled these words:
Just looking for other Min Pin owners to share experiences with. We have
been working on developing a blue strain that is breed with one another.
We
currently have nine with two just opening their eyes.
Rick & Candy Hooker

The main problem with the color is not that it is disqualified in the
breed ring, but that the color is associated with color dilution
alopecia. This condition can significantly impair the dog's quality of
life. It results in loss of hair all over the body, scaliness of the skin
etc. I don't understand breeding for color in general. I understand it
even less when the color is associated with health problems. It just
doesn't seem very nice to deliberately create dogs with a high risk for
health problems. Why not breed ignore color entirely and focus on dogs
with wonderful temperaments and excellent health, both shown by
OBJECTIVE standards, not just the breeder's feelings. We sure could use
more of those.

Diane Blackman

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:03:19 GMT Richard Hooker whittled these words:
Whoa everyone, I breed for the Blue color because I like it.

So you will breeed for it despite the association with color dilution
alopecia.

I also have
Champion AKC reds both Red and Stag Red and A couple Black and Tans that
have their Points. I think and so do quite a few people that I know want the
Blue pups. I do not register them with either the AKC or the CKC to
discourage breeding. I could get a thousand dollars a puppy without papers
if I chose to do so however that is definitely not my purpose for breeding.
My purpose for breeding is to supply my direct friends with loveable healthy
puppies.

Then why deliberatly breed for a color with health problems?

Their has been absolutely no birth defects in any of my
unregistered litters.

Color dilution alopecia is rarely diagnosed at birth. It is usually a
problem in adulthood.

Now my Registered Champions I have experienced not
many but definitely a few birth defects.

Birth defects and genetic problems are not identical. Many serious
genetic problems become evident only after maturity.

And before I go any further I do
not LINE BREED at all.

Thus limiting your ability to identify the genetic makeup of the dogs.

My CHAMPION AKC's have puppies with under developed
pallets and throats. If you've ever had to put a puppy down because it's
Superior lineage is creating freaks of nature you too will breed for healthy
puppies that will be family members for close too twenty years with no
defects what so ever.

Yes, and the main question is whether you have the knowledge to acheive
that goal. So far, based on what you have said, your knowledge of
genetics and how to reduce risks of genetic problems appears to be rather
limited.

And before you go there I am definitely not paying my
vet cost let alone making any profit with my dogs. When a bitch only throws
two or three pups at a time your not in it for the money. ALL my puppies
have homes before they're conceived. I currently have a waiting list for
pups and not just Blue's. My pups are bred for disposition only the blue
gene sneaking in was and is a bonus for me and my satisfied customers. So I
am sorry if I ruffled some feathers but I have found there is no way to make
everyone happy only my customers. I posted to discus the positive features
of the Min Pin mot to upset people.

If you have NINE puppies and a bitch only throws two or three at a time
its sounds like you are cranking out the puppies without getting a chance
to see what they are like at maturity.

Slow down, learn more about canine genetics, quit breeding for
"customers" and identify OBJECTIVE means for measuring the qualities of
the dogs you are breeding.

Diane Blackman

I have had blue Min Pins for going on twenty years now without the first
case of COLOR DILUTION ALOPECIA. Where the Champion dogs that I have are
throwing genetic freaks that have no digestive capabilities. I challenge
anyone to explain that freak of nature common to the registered dogs.



--
"Always do Right - This will Gratify Some and Astonish the Rest"
Mark Twain
wrote in message
...
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:03:19 GMT Richard Hooker
whittled these words:
Whoa everyone, I breed for the Blue color because I like it.

So you will breeed for it despite the association with color dilution
alopecia.

I also have
Champion AKC reds both Red and Stag Red and A couple Black and Tans that
have their Points. I think and so do quite a few people that I know want
the
Blue pups. I do not register them with either the AKC or the CKC to
discourage breeding. I could get a thousand dollars a puppy without
papers
if I chose to do so however that is definitely not my purpose for
breeding.
My purpose for breeding is to supply my direct friends with loveable
healthy
puppies.

Then why deliberatly breed for a color with health problems?

Their has been absolutely no birth defects in any of my
unregistered litters.

Color dilution alopecia is rarely diagnosed at birth. It is usually a
problem in adulthood.

Now my Registered Champions I have experienced not
many but definitely a few birth defects.

Birth defects and genetic problems are not identical. Many serious
genetic problems become evident only after maturity.

And before I go any further I do
not LINE BREED at all.

Thus limiting your ability to identify the genetic makeup of the dogs.

My CHAMPION AKC's have puppies with under developed
pallets and throats. If you've ever had to put a puppy down because it's
Superior lineage is creating freaks of nature you too will breed for
healthy
puppies that will be family members for close too twenty years with no
defects what so ever.

Yes, and the main question is whether you have the knowledge to acheive
that goal. So far, based on what you have said, your knowledge of
genetics and how to reduce risks of genetic problems appears to be rather
limited.

And before you go there I am definitely not paying my
vet cost let alone making any profit with my dogs. When a bitch only
throws
two or three pups at a time your not in it for the money. ALL my puppies
have homes before they're conceived. I currently have a waiting list for
pups and not just Blue's. My pups are bred for disposition only the blue
gene sneaking in was and is a bonus for me and my satisfied customers.
So I
am sorry if I ruffled some feathers but I have found there is no way to
make
everyone happy only my customers. I posted to discus the positive
features
of the Min Pin mot to upset people.

If you have NINE puppies and a bitch only throws two or three at a time
its sounds like you are cranking out the puppies without getting a chance
to see what they are like at maturity.

Slow down, learn more about canine genetics, quit breeding for
"customers" and identify OBJECTIVE means for measuring the qualities of
the dogs you are breeding.

Diane Blackman

And please KEEP YOUR NOSE UP IN THE AIR!



--
"Always do Right - This will Gratify Some and Astonish the Rest"
Mark Twain
wrote in message
...
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:03:19 GMT Richard Hooker
whittled these words:
Whoa everyone, I breed for the Blue color because I like it.

So you will breeed for it despite the association with color dilution
alopecia.

I also have
Champion AKC reds both Red and Stag Red and A couple Black and Tans that
have their Points. I think and so do quite a few people that I know want
the
Blue pups. I do not register them with either the AKC or the CKC to
discourage breeding. I could get a thousand dollars a puppy without
papers
if I chose to do so however that is definitely not my purpose for
breeding.
My purpose for breeding is to supply my direct friends with loveable
healthy
puppies.

Then why deliberatly breed for a color with health problems?

Their has been absolutely no birth defects in any of my
unregistered litters.

Color dilution alopecia is rarely diagnosed at birth. It is usually a
problem in adulthood.

Now my Registered Champions I have experienced not
many but definitely a few birth defects.

Birth defects and genetic problems are not identical. Many serious
genetic problems become evident only after maturity.

And before I go any further I do
not LINE BREED at all.

Thus limiting your ability to identify the genetic makeup of the dogs.

My CHAMPION AKC's have puppies with under developed
pallets and throats. If you've ever had to put a puppy down because it's
Superior lineage is creating freaks of nature you too will breed for
healthy
puppies that will be family members for close too twenty years with no
defects what so ever.

Yes, and the main question is whether you have the knowledge to acheive
that goal. So far, based on what you have said, your knowledge of
genetics and how to reduce risks of genetic problems appears to be rather
limited.

And before you go there I am definitely not paying my
vet cost let alone making any profit with my dogs. When a bitch only
throws
two or three pups at a time your not in it for the money. ALL my puppies
have homes before they're conceived. I currently have a waiting list for
pups and not just Blue's. My pups are bred for disposition only the blue
gene sneaking in was and is a bonus for me and my satisfied customers.
So I
am sorry if I ruffled some feathers but I have found there is no way to
make
everyone happy only my customers. I posted to discus the positive
features
of the Min Pin mot to upset people.

If you have NINE puppies and a bitch only throws two or three at a time
its sounds like you are cranking out the puppies without getting a chance
to see what they are like at maturity.

Slow down, learn more about canine genetics, quit breeding for
"customers" and identify OBJECTIVE means for measuring the qualities of
the dogs you are breeding.

Diane Blackman

On Sun, 19 Oct 2003 04:48:14 GMT Richard Hooker whittled these words:

I have had blue Min Pins for going on twenty years now without the first
case of COLOR DILUTION ALOPECIA. Where the Champion dogs that I have are
throwing genetic freaks that have no digestive capabilities. I challenge
anyone to explain that freak of nature common to the registered dogs.


Easy - breeders who don't know canine genetics or who refuse to apply
such knowledge.

Diane Blackman